The Kemba Walker Thread

freakon0mics · Post #481 » by **freakon0mics** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:17 pm

My thing with Kemba so far is his mid-range shooting. Coming out of college, his mid-range shooting has been something he has relied on. That shot has not been falling for him at all. IMO, he looks more comfortable shooting threes than he does inside that line. Hopefully he can find a rhythm and start shooting better.

thruthefire · Post #482 » by **thruthefire** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:46 pm

Statistically, Kemba is performing far better than Ammo did as a rookie. The most noticeable difference is that Kemba can create shots for others (Ast% of 22.5 vs. 11.9 for Ammo). But Kemba's also been a better scorer and rebounder, and he gets steals and blocks far more frequently. Outside of some per game averages, which are only similar because Ammo averaged five more minutes per game, there aren't many similarities statistically. Ammo shot far more than he should have, and so has Kemba to this point, so there's one.

Stun704 · Post #483 » by **Stun704** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:10 am

from operation sports

So after simulating (whilst playing the role of a GM) to the 2026-27 season, Kemba Walker decides to retire at the age of 37. He has been with the Charlotte Bobcats his entire career and I thought I would share with you all his accomplishments during his illustrious career:

Career Averages:1302 Games Played (1264 games started)

36.6 MPG (47608 total)
22.4 PPG (29123 total)
5.0 RPG (6527 total)
7.7 APG (10074 total)
2.2 SPG (2810 total)
0.4 BPG (471 total)
.516 FG% (9117/17668)
.463 3P% (3103/6698)
.956 FT% (7786/8147)
2.8 TOPG (3583 total)

Awards

8x MVP (2016, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025)
7x NBA Champion (2016, 2017, 2021, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2027)
7x Finals MVP (2016, 2017, 2021, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2027)
14x All-Star (2014-2027)
10x 1st Team All-NBA (2016-2025)
2x 2nd Team All-NBA (2014, 2026)
1x 3rd Team All-NBA (2015)
4x League Leader in Points (2022-2025)
3x League Leader in Assists (2019, 2025-2026)
5x League Leader in Steals (2020, 2022-2025)
6x 1st Team All-Defense (2020-2025)
2x 2nd Team All-Defense (2018-2019)
1st Team All-Rookie (2012)
9x League Leader in Minutes (2014, 2019-2026)

And to top it off, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame, along with Kevin Love, Blake Griffin & Derrick Rose during the same year in 2027.

Leolovinliberal · Post #484 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:25 am

I can't stand this guy. He's exactly what I said that he was before the draft, a undersized, volume shooting, low efficiency sg, with no discernible pg skills whatsoever. How many airballs did he have tonight? How many times did he just pound the ball into the floor for 20 seconds and then toss up an off balance jumper? There is no ball movement with this team at all. Kemba Chucker is a Nate Robinson clone, well, NR has a little more pg skills and is more athletic, but other than that they're identical. There's no way this team can become a winner with him as a starting pg or sg.

Eoghan · Post #485 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:28 am

As opposed to the other chuckers on the team? When the whole team is chucking, guess what? (The offensive schemes are terrible - blame the coach)

Leolovinliberal · Post #486 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:35 am

BrotherDave wrote:As opposed to the other chuckers on the team? When the whole team is chucking, guess what? (The offensive schemes are terrible - blame the coach)

Were those other players early lottery picks projected to be the "savior" of the team? Kemba Chucker's +/_ was -23 tonight. He's shooting 38% from the floor. I remember one play from tonight where he had a 3 on 2 and instead of passing it ahead, he actually waited for the defense to get back and then as per his norm, he eventually threw up a crazy jumper that clanged off of the rim as the clock wound down. Lemme ask you a question? Where do you project him in three years?

Eoghan · Post #487 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:38 am

About where DJ is right now. I don't remember anyone predicting Kemba to be "savior" of the team, dude was like the 9th pick, not in the top 3.

Leolovinliberal · Post #488 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:52 am

BrotherDave wrote:About where DJ is right now. I don't remember anyone predicting Kemba to be "savior" of the team, dude was like the 9th pick, not in the top 3.

DJ's averaging close to 8 apg, Kemba is averaging 2 apg. I would be utterly shocked if Kemba Chucker ever averaged close to 5 apg in his career. He is what he is; a high scoring, low efficiency undersized sg. A spark plug off of the bench on a good team, a disaster as a starting pg on a woeful team.

TheKingofSting · Post #489 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:55 am

Leolovinliberal wrote:Where do you project him in three years?

Monta Ellis, maybe Steph Curry if he improves his jumper.

Leolovinliberal · Post #490 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:05 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:
Leolovinliberal wrote:Where do you project him in three years?

Monta Ellis, maybe Steph Curry if he improves his jumper.

OMG?!?!? Seriously? Dude. Kemba Chucker is a less athletic, less of a pg Nate Robinson. To compare him to Ellis or Curry is insane. His bball IQ is not nearly on par with those two. I think Jason Terry could be his ceiling if he wants to improve, which I think he does. A Jason Terry is not a bad thing, btw.

Stun704 · Post #491 » by **Stun704** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:07 am

Leolovinliberal wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:
Leolovinliberal wrote:Where do you project him in three years?

Monta Ellis, maybe Steph Curry if he improves his jumper.

OMG?!?!? Seriously? Dude. Kemba Chucker is a less athletic, less of a pg Nate Robinson. To compare him to Ellis or Curry is insane. His bball IQ is not nearly on par with those two. I think Jason Terry could be his ceiling if he wants to improve, which I think he does. A Jason Terry is not a bad thing, btw.

Have you seen who hes playing with? hes the only consistent offense outside of hendo on the team - he has to chuck

Leolovinliberal · Post #492 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:13 am

Stun704 wrote:
Leolovinliberal wrote:
Leolovinliberal wrote:Where do you project him in three years?

Monta Ellis, maybe Steph Curry if he improves his jumper.

OMG?!?!? Seriously? Dude. Kemba Chucker is a less athletic, less of a pg Nate Robinson. To compare him to Ellis or Curry is insane. His bball IQ is not nearly on par with those two. I think Jason Terry could be his ceiling if he wants to improve, which I think he does. A Jason Terry is not a bad thing, btw.

Have you seen who hes playing with? hes the only consistent offense outside of hendo on the team - he has to chuck[/quote]

He's shooting 38% from the floor. Logic would dictate that he would move the ball and shoot less, not more. But he's a chucker, he can't help himself. I have watched every single Bobcat game this year, and the offense is so stagnant when he's running the point.

Post #493 » by **Diop** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:18 am

Merged, we don't need another Kemba thread.

Post #494 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:37 am

i am not yet impressed with kemba as a point guard. he can score, i'll give him that. i also respect his hustle and i dig his personality on the floor. but, yeah, as a point guard, he has a long way to go.

tonight illustrated kemba's strengths and weaknesses. he can score, he can get his own shot, he is a good rebounder for a guy his size and he is an adequate defender. but he really has no clue how to run an nba offense at this point. he holds the ball too long. passes to guys who are in no position to do anything other than pass it back to him. he doesnt penetrate deep enough into the paint when he can do that virtually every time down.

but i wont get ahead of myself here. the construction of this team is not helping his game. i think he would be best served with a few shooters on the wings to help spread the defense. this would allow him more space to probe the lane, draw defenders and kick to open shooters.

i do fear that he will be nothing more than an energy guy on a playoff team however. i'm tired of having lottery point guards that fail to deliver. so my patience for kemba is thin, to no fault of his own. blame felton and dj for that.

can kemba eventually transform his game to where he isnt the focal point? he isnt good enough to carry a team offensively. so lets assume we draft and sign a couple of upgrades. can kemba take a back seat and be a 3rd option on a playoff level team and be a point guard who gets those guys the rock and only looks for his offense when he has a good matchup or is hot?

Post #495 » by **Diop** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:05 am

fatlever wrote:
can kemba eventually transform his game to where he isnt the focal point? he isnt good enough to carry a team offensively. so lets assume we draft and sign a couple of upgrades. can kemba take a back seat and be a 3rd option on a playoff level team and be a point guard who gets those guys the rock and only looks for his offense when he has a good matchup or is hot?

I can't see that fitting his personality, but who knows, if it equates to winning he might be happy to play that role. But with the trash we are throwing up at the moment, I can see him continuing to force it.

Snidely FC · Post #496 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:35 pm

Call GS, convince them Steph Curry's ankle issues are chronic, and trade them Kemba for Steph.

Bassman · Post #497 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:30 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Call GS, convince them Steph Curry's ankle issues are chronic, and trade them Kemba for Steph.

Funny!

Still, my thought is this...why not consider trading Kemba for a lower $ vet PG and a 1st round pick? That might have been a strategy had we not refused to extend DJ. I believe MJ is already committed to Kemba as our future 1 despite his early poor returns as a PG. Yes it is way too early to "give up" on Walker, so we all know that's not happening. But I also contend it's way too early to project him as our starter.

I believe NBA players usually perform as they did in college. The really good ones elevate their game as much as 25% higher, while some less dedicated or not physically suited to the game may fall back as much as 50% in their pre-league production. Kemba is dedicated to getting better but his size will always be a limitation. At best Ihe projects to average 6 APG and 45% FG% as a starter, which isn't good enough for those minutes. I hope he gets a lot better after working hard this offseason.

Post #498 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:34 pm

i think a ceiling of 45% fg is being generous for kemba. but, i guess anything is possible in terms of fg%. hell, felton had a good year last year and jennings is having a good year this year.

penquin11 · Post #499 » by **penquin11** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:24 pm

I really think that our judgement on Kemba needs to wait... and while this is going to sound absolutely crazy I sort of wish that we had Larry Brown here to yell at Kemba to pass the damn ball more... I think Kemba will get it eventually especially when we upgrade our offense so that he doesnt have to take so many shots just to keep us in the game. Honestly I could see Kemba being a 20pts 5apg guy or 18 and 6 but he will never be a 17 and 9 or ect type of guy its just not going to happen.

Kembastockton · Post #500 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:32 pm

penquin11 wrote:I really think that our judgement on Kemba needs to wait... and while this is going to sound absolutely crazy I sort of wish that we had Larry Brown here to yell at Kemba to pass the damn ball more... I think Kemba will get it eventually especially when we upgrade our offense so that he doesnt have to take so many shots just to keep us in the game. Honestly I could see Kemba being a 20pts 5apg guy or 18 and 6 but he will never be a 17 and 9 or ect type of guy its just not going to happen.

For once Pequin11 and I agree. Kemba is the only real scorer on a team coached by Paul " Shoot and Rebound or I'll bench your arse " Silas. Of course he's gonna chuck. There is no reason to try to judge Kemba until he has a couple decent players to pass to, and a better coach to call him plays.