Houston declines 2012-13 option on Jonny Flynn.

younggunsmn · Post #1 » by **younggunsmn** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:48 am

Houston failed to excercise options on Flynn, Jordan HIll, Thabeet, and Terrence Wililams.
From the Rockets board. Don't have a link.

We really got screwed on draft day when Houston demanded we throw in a 2nd rounder to complete the Flynn trade due to his hip. I said at the time if they didn't pick up his option that they will have pulled some shady crap just becausethey knew about 4 other trades were contrigent on that flynn trade, and it turned out to be true. Don't think Kahn will be happy dealing with Morey from now on.

Esohny · Post #2 » by **Esohny** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:53 am

Sort of surprised about Hill, I thought he had looked all right in Houston. Flynn and Thabust are no-brainer cuts.

Krapinsky · Post #3 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:54 am

Not a surprise. Houston is playing for cap space, and Flynn being a top 5 pick, has a fairly expensive option. I don't really follow your logic on the second part though.

younggunsmn · Post #4 » by **younggunsmn** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:06 am

Houston demanded a 2nd rounder from us hours after the trade had been agreed upon because of Flynn's hip.
Why do they do that if they aren't even planning on picking up his option?
Dirty Morey. that's why.

Krapinsky · Post #5 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:11 am

younggunsmn wrote:Houston demanded a 2nd rounder from us hours after the trade had been agreed upon because of Flynn's hip.
Why do they do that if they aren't even planning on picking up his option?
Dirty Morey. that's why.

Because if it wasn't for his hip, he wouldn't suck as much and there might have been a chance they would have picked up his option?

Vindicater · Post #6 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:12 am

younggunsmn wrote:Houston demanded a 2nd rounder from us hours after the trade had been agreed upon because of Flynn's hip.
Why do they do that if they aren't even planning on picking up his option?
Dirty Morey. that's why.

younggunsmn · Post #7 » by **younggunsmn** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:03 am

Krapinsky wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:Houston demanded a 2nd rounder from us hours after the trade had been agreed upon because of Flynn's hip.
Why do they do that if they aren't even planning on picking up his option?
Dirty Morey. that's why.

Because if it wasn't for his hip, he wouldn't suck as much and there might have been a chance they would have picked up his option?

He sucks with a healthy hip too. Morey retconned a previously agreed to trade to squeeze another asset out of us. We only acquiesced because we had 4 other trades riding on it. The "hip" thing was just an excuse. Deal had been in the works well before draft day, they had done their homework on Flynn. Him not picking up Flynn's option is a validation of the point I made on draft day. Were I Kahn, I would have said, "you want a 2nd round pick too, pick up flynn's option TODAY to prove it."

But whatever. It's a 2nd round pick. But it's the kind of thing that builds negative trust throughout the league with your GM peers.

Post #8 » by **Calinks** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:48 am

I still say Flynn looked promising his rookie year. Don't know what happened but once he got back from injury he was not the same. Maybe it's physically but I think mentally the guy has been utterly destroyed. Now he seriously has his NBA career in jeopardy. Madness.

Post #9 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:53 am

younggunsmn wrote:But whatever. It's a 2nd round pick. But it's the kind of thing that builds negative trust throughout the league with your GM peers.

That's Houston's problem, not ours

shangrila · Post #10 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:18 am

I don't understand Hill or Williams (kind of), although that Thabeet trade just looks worse and worse.

It might be worth looking into these guys during the offseason. Not Williams, since Adelman didn't like him, but maybe Hill? He seemed to play alright under Adelman.

Grits n Gravy · Post #11 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:19 am

shangrila wrote:I don't understand Hill or Williams (kind of), although that Thabeet trade just looks worse and worse.

It might be worth looking into these guys during the offseason. Not Williams, since Adelman didn't like him, but maybe Hill? He seemed to play alright under Adelman.

it's probably a more stupid trade for memphis imo...they traded thabeet and a first rounder for battier who was an unrestricted free agent and always likely to leave...granted it did cover for the injury of gay and they did have a nice playoff run but still.....

i'm shocked they gave up on jordan hill?? dude was looking really nice the few times i've seen them play.

shangrila · Post #12 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:23 am

It saved Memphis a shiton of money though. Admittedly it's a moot point considering the money Gay, Gasol, Randolph and Conley are making but hey, it's something.

And it seems we're all in agreement. Sign Jordan Hill in the summer, ?????, Championships

shrink · Post #13 » by **shrink** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:33 pm

I agree with youngguns that this after the fact request for an additional asset, when MIN had so much locked into future trades, was unfair business practice and could hurt his reputation.

Still, with Flynn unextended, Kahn still clearly won that trade because of the MEM 1st.

HOU GETS: #20 + Flynn + future 2nd + cash
MIN GETS: #23 + Miller + MEM prot 1st

TyKixx · Post #14 » by **TyKixx** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:43 pm

Calinks wrote:I still say Flynn looked promising his rookie year. Don't know what happened but once he got back from injury he was not the same. Maybe it's physically but I think mentally the guy has been utterly destroyed. Now he seriously has his NBA career in jeopardy. Madness.

I agree, at least to the extent where I feel bad for him. He certainly had his share of rookie struggles, but I don't see any reason why he had to be out of the league by the time his rookie contract expired. He never seemed comfortable with Rambis. I think his confidence was definately shattered and he became a mess between his ears.

I'd like to see someone like the Knicks make a move for him, like for cash. I am sure he could be had for nothing. The Knicks PG play his horrible. Douglas and Shumpert are 2s. Davis is out and Bibby doesn't have a lot of minutes in him. Antoni's system might give Flynn some renewed energy and confidence... and his lack of defense would fit the Knicks scheme to a 'T'. I don't know, I'd just like to see him get another shot in some capacity somewhere.

Beas · Post #15 » by **Beas** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:31 pm

I've always liked Flynn, hopefully someone gives him a chance somewhere. He could definitely be used as a team's backup PG I would think.

canucklife21 · Post #16 » by **canucklife21** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:07 pm

Worth going after Terrence williams? yes he cant shoot but he's one hell of talent. Yes Rick didn't play him last year and doesn't seem they hit it off due to terrence williams youtube channel episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhC4Dl63 ... f1CjSpgmaY

Skip to the 11th minute of the video. Thats where he talks about hes reltionship with Rick.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:09 pm

No more knuckleheads please.