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It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#1 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:14 am

It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash
Former MVP must be dealt so talent-deprived Suns can protect NBA lottery spot

by Dan Bickley, columnist - Jan. 25, 2012 08:51 PM
The Arizona Republic

The good times are gone. Empty seats weep silently. And after all these wonderful years of service, Steve Nash suddenly has become a liability.

The Suns must trade him soon, before he can turn a flawed, talent-deprived team into something mediocre.

No one wanted it to end this way. But after three successive home losses to Cleveland, New Jersey and Toronto, it's time to face the sobering truth.

Marquee free agents won't be coming to Phoenix any time soon. The only way to spawn another contending team is through luck of the draft. And the only foreseeable reward for this awful season in progress is a place inside the NBA lottery, where the right number of ping pong balls could lead the Suns to their next franchise player.

Maybe this situation would feel different if Nash wanted to end his career in Phoenix. But there's no evidence he'll accept the direction and pay cut coming from the new regime. And judging by the declining attendance at US Airways Center, where a famous buzz has been replaced by a sense of mourning, there is no proof that sentimentality is still selling on Planet Orange.

So, the uncomfortable questions: If the Suns are morphing into a defensive team no longer playing fast-paced basketball, what's the point of keeping Nash around? And if Nash is destined to leave after the season, why risk him working his magic, finding a groove, somehow steering this team to a middle-of-the-pack finish?

The latter would be extremely harmful. Already the owner is stigmatized for deconstructing a championship-caliber team. Imagine if another All-Star leaves without a whiff of compensation in return.

Maybe Nash is reticent to be traded in mid-season. Maybe the Suns are apprehensive of peddling one of the more popular players in team history, a 37-year old still performing at an MVP level. Maybe the solution is in Dallas, where Nash can rejoin the organization he never wanted to leave.

Mark Cuban just admitted that Nash "proved me definitely wrong," and the Mavericks owner surely would love to make amends, providing Nash with a homecoming.

The Suns can bemoan the lack of fair return on the open market. Good teams don't have good draft picks to offer. Bad teams don't need an aging player such as Nash. And it would be a lopsided exchange to send Nash for, say, a package including Jason Terry, his expiring contract and a draft pick.

All of this is true, and misses the point entirely. Look around. Rookie Markieff Morris is struggling now that he's been thrust into the starting lineup. Robin Lopez punched his ticket out of town in Tuesday's loss to the Raptors, where he (a) played less than four minutes; (b) missed his only shot; (c) fouled his man out of frustration while running down the court; (d) glared menacingly at the ref; (e) was ejected for bumping said ref on his way back to the bench; (f) and left Marcin Gortat without a backup center in a game they called a "must-win."

Alas, this team has two significant assets moving forward. It has Gortat, the center the franchise has coveted for decades. And it has a chance to be really bad in 2011-12, thus securing a very high draft pick.

This is a tough swallow. But the Suns must protect their bottom-feeder status at all costs. It's the only way out of the woods in the near future.

In the NFL, the Colts just endured a horrific season. But once they land Andrew Luck with the No. 1 pick, it will have been worth the despair and then some. And if Indianapolis can say goodbye to Peyton Manning, we surely can do the same with Nash.

Again.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2012/01/26/20120126phoenix-suns-trade-steve-nash.html

Usually i find the AZcentral site tends to write fluff pieces on the Suns, and both Suns writers seem to be kinda buddy-buddy with the front office, kinda being their mouthpiece to the public. Im wondering if this is just strictly Bickley's opinion, or if a little purple & orange birdie asked him to write this to see if he could sway some of the public's opinion on trading Nash. I guess only time will tell.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#2 » by Beas4pres » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:16 am

i just dont think we can get anything for him!
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#3 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:25 am

We can definitely get something for him. The question is will Sarver/Babby/Blanks pull the trigger. I'm guessing no...
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#4 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:40 am

DirtyDez wrote:We can definitely get something for him. The question is will Sarver/Babby/Blanks pull the trigger. I'm guessing no...


You see, i think they are think of it, and thats why they had Bickley write this piece up. We thought we could sign some nice FA's this up-coming offseason, but after todays deadline, we see that alot of the guys we were going to target are now re-signed. Time to tank it up and blow this b*tch sky high, and the first domino to fall will be Nash.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#5 » by Revived » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:49 am

The right call is to trade Nash but what are the offers out there?

I think right now only 4-5 teams would be interested. The Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Mavs and Magic.

Lakers trade would evolve around them taking on Frye, Warrick or Childress and giving us expirings + 1st rd picks.

Knicks trade would evolve around Shumphert or Fields. They have any picks so this is likely the best they can do.

Celtics are the team that has least interest in Nash of the 5 teams I mentioned. But question is, would they be willi g to give up Rondo for the aging Nash? I mean they have tried to trade Rondo a lot so obviously their FO isnt a big fan of him...so maybe.

Mavs trade would involve Roddy B and expirings. They MAY take back Warrick as well.

Magic would likely offer Nelson, Reddick & Anderson for Nash & Frye. Trick here would be to convince them to add a pick.
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Post#6 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:00 am

Still a lot of assumptions. We aren't beating teams now, and Nash is playing awesomely. We still have to wait for an offer. There are no guarantees that whoever we get for Nash doesn't help us win games this year, and put us in the same boat as Brickley says we would be in if Nash stays. Then there's the crap shoot of the draft.

So we'll see.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#7 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:24 am

Kerrsed wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:We can definitely get something for him. The question is will Sarver/Babby/Blanks pull the trigger. I'm guessing no...


You see, i think they are think of it, and thats why they had Bickley write this piece up. We thought we could sign some nice FA's this up-coming offseason, but after todays deadline, we see that alot of the guys we were going to target are now re-signed. Time to tank it up and blow this b*tch sky high, and the first domino to fall will be Nash.


That would be a doozy. The big 3 who are running the show know most Suns' fans aren't thrilled with them and they might think trading Nash would make the fans completely turn on them, even though most realistic Suns' fans know this team is garbage. You know how dramtically emotional some fans get losing the face of the franchise. I would hope they don't make decision based on what fans would think.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#8 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:47 am

DirtyDez wrote:That would be a doozy. The big 3 who are running the show know most Suns' fans aren't thrilled with them and they might think trading Nash would make the fans completely turn on them, even though most realistic Suns' fans know this team is garbage. You know how dramtically emotional some fans get losing the face of the franchise. I would hope they don't make decision based on what fans would think.


I think they already have based decisions based on fans and their $$$, but if they could sway those casual fans (and Nash fans) to seeing why we should and need to trade him, then it would be easier to do and more acceptable.

RunDogGun wrote:Still a lot of assumptions. We aren't beating teams now, and Nash is playing awesomely. We still have to wait for an offer. There are no guarantees that whoever we get for Nash doesn't help us win games this year, and put us in the same boat as Brickley says we would be in if Nash stays. Then there's the crap shoot of the draft.

So we'll see.


Im lost here with your post. :-?

Nash playing "awesomely" = us losing games. That is true. But who do you think we could get in a Nash trade that will make us win more games this year? I dont see that happening at all, seeming how our offense relies on Nash. Nash gets shut down, our offense comes to a stand still. We will not get a big difference maker in return for Nash, so i dont see how trading him would help us win more games, and becoming what Bickley said, "something mediocre".
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#9 » by 7Insomniac » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:48 am

I have absolutely no idea what we would get for Nash. The closest trade that I could think of that comes close our situation is the Jason Kidd trade a few years ago. Kidd was 34, had a year and a half left in his contract, and still was an all-star caliber PG, but he only managed to get a package consisting of Devin Harris, 2 late 1st round picks, and a bunch of scrubs in return.

Nash is 38, still an all-star caliber PG, and his contract is expiring. IMO, we'd be damn lucky to get a package like that. I'd say the most we could get for him is a young role player and a mid 1st pick.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#10 » by WTFsunsFTW » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:07 am

Bickley has always been biting the ankles of the suns. This is standard issue for him, i doubt its a plant from the FO to test the waters or whatever lol

But lets kill this wounded beast that is past its prime and rebuild asap
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Post#11 » by thamadkant » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:23 am

If Suns can get a mid lottery pick for Nash... you do it.


Look at the logic here..
- Knicks will not trade for him... yet anyways... they will see how Baron Davis works out.
And if Baron Davis looks decent, they will hold on and just sign Nash as MLE next off season.
The only scenario that makes sense for Knicks to trade for him, is when they are around 4-5 in the eastern standing and need that extra push..... and assuming Shumpert, Douglas, Fields are not contributing much.

- Blazers might make a push for him, since they cannot rely on Felton making shots.... they value his defense but come playoff, a player like Nash can elevate them over Thunder etc.... with Felton as backup or Nash as backup, doesnt matter, both will be used heavily for offense/defense needs.


- Heat.... if they feel that they need that extra shooter and distributor that will guarantee them the RING this year... they might offer Chalmers and a first pick or Norris Cole... I say take Chalmers and the pick.

- Lakers.... last option for me... but they dont have ANY assets to trade..

- Magic.... Magic is the only team at the moment, who I am sure, is working the phones trying to get Nash...... if Nash comes, Magic might make a push to ECF....will convince Dwight Howard to sign again, as Magic will get that 1-2 players off season that will push them over the limit..

I dont want Nelson... I dont want Reddick.... although he may be marketable.... I dont want Anderson.... we have Frye who the Suns need to get rid of....
They dont have picks....

They need to get a 3rd team that is looking for Nelson... but if that 3rd team is looking for Nelson, wouldnt that team consider Nash instead?.... trade Richardson?... no, he is a piece they need at the 2.... Turkoglu?.... not with that contract..

Can Nash be traded for Turkoglu and Anderson..... and CASH..... the CASH being ~30 Million dollars... enough for the Suns to Amnesty Turkoglu and use Magic's money to pay him (off season action of course)



- Celtics.... they are also in a dilemma... either to blow it up or contend...


76ers?
Pacers?

Possibility... but it will be Suns who will have to convince those teams Nash is the missing piece...
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Post#12 » by RunDogGun » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:32 am

Kerrsed, the point is all our guys are playing poorly except Nash and Gortat. What if that changes? What if they find their shot? What if the new guy acquired becomes a spark plug? Or sees this trade as an oppertunity to show his best game? Price had a good game when Nash was out, Frye had one of his best allaround game of the year, and if it wasn't for the incredible three point shooting of the Nets, we would have won that game without Nash. No one thought Denver would play so much better after trading Melo.

There aren't any guarantees that without Nash, we will play any worse, but we know that many of our other guys can play better.

I still want to hear actual trades for Nash from real teams
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Post#13 » by i505 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:35 am

thamadkant wrote:..... and CASH..... the CASH being ~30 Million dollars... enough for the Suns to Amnesty Turkoglu and use Magic's money to pay him (off season action of course)


Can't amnesty a player you traded for.
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Post#14 » by Blackification » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:33 am

Go read some of the articles written about amare on that site when he wasn't playing well. Not what I would call fluffy. They have called his ass out a bunch of times especially that Terry Porter era they were letting them have it.
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Re: It's time for the Phoenix Suns to trade Steve Nash 

Post#15 » by mybloodisorange » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:45 am

Suns fans need to quit complaining that we shouldnt trade Nash because we cant get equal value.

The most value trading Steve holds for us is the promise of a top 6 draft pick. And despite Rundog's assertion that nobody knows if we will be better or worse without Nash I can personally guarantee you we will be worse. I'm sure Suns management realizes that with the shortened season that this is the best opportunity we are going to get to tank without being too obvious. The year San Antonio tanked to get Duncan was guess what? You guessed it a shortened season after a lockout.

If they don't trade Nash before the deadline they really are clueless.
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Post#16 » by thamadkant » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:08 pm

mybloodisorange wrote:Suns fans need to quit complaining that we shouldnt trade Nash because we cant get equal value.

The most value trading Steve holds for us is the promise of a top 6 draft pick. And despite Rundog's assertion that nobody knows if we will be better or worse without Nash I can personally guarantee you we will be worse. I'm sure Suns management realizes that with the shortened season that this is the best opportunity we are going to get to tank without being too obvious. The year San Antonio tanked to get Duncan was guess what? You guessed it a shortened season after a lockout.

If they don't trade Nash before the deadline they really are clueless.



My guest is Spurs tanked because David Robinson got injured and with Sean Elliot as no.1 player for spurs they sucked big time.

Then they got Duncan before the lock out and won the ring against the Knicks on the shortened season hence Phil Jackson saying an asterix needs to be on that spurs championship. ;)
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Post#17 » by SunsFever » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:54 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
DirtyDez wrote: You know how dramtically emotional some fans get losing the face of the franchise. I would hope they don't make decision based on what fans would think.

they'll get over it. its the only sesible thing to do. I think even Nash will se in hidnsight that this is the best thing for everybody. come on.. he will not play for next 4 years and watch this team rebuild.

RunDogGun wrote:There aren't any guarantees that without Nash, we will play any worse, but we know that many of our other guys can play better.

I think there's quite a good chance we'll suck epicly without Nash. I think its time for us to blow this thing up.
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Post#18 » by schnakenpopanz » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:32 pm

the real joke is the suns have 2 players who are leaguewide in the top 3 PER for their position.
Nash and Gortat. Because Sarver and company were unable to build a team around them we are now in this position.
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Post#19 » by xpmar9x » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:01 pm

I think the best spot would be Orlando or NYK.

I can't see the Knicks trade Shumpert though, they're so high on him. I could see them parting ways with Fields and a 1st.

Orlando makes sense, Anderson & Nelson would be part of the deal. You could also get Reddick if you wanted him. If they throw in a first, you gotta take that deal. Nash + Dwight could be scary.

Personally, I'd love Nash on the Bulls as D-Roses backup. Could also put Nash on the floor and Rose at 2 in certain lineups. Nash - Rose - Rip - Deng - Noah, odd lineup but I could see it working. The most we could offer would be Watson & 1st though & you could get better deals than that easy.
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Post#20 » by nevetsov » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:04 pm

I wonder if we could do something around:

Nash, Lopez plus 3rd team assets to NY

Melo to 3rd team

3rd team assets to PHX
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Maybe magic could send JRich and Q to NY, and Reddick, Anderson and picks to us?

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