Game 16: Toronto Raptors (5-13) @ Utah Jazz (10-5)

meat tray · Post #161 » by **meat tray** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:24 am

ut_jazz wrote:
meat tray wrote:I'd like to see him get more minutes with Watson.

normally i'd support that, but Watson made some silly mistakes tonight

Agreed, I just meant in general. Our whole bench struggled tonight.

retiredcoach · Post #162 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:25 am

by ut_jazz on Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:17 pm

meat tray wrote:I'd like to see him get more minutes with Watson.

normally i'd support that, but Watson made some silly mistakes tonight

I was strongly in favor of the Jazz bringing Watson back for many reasons. I like the way he plays, but he's not a starting PG and I think he's playing about the right number of minutes.

Litany · Post #163 » by **Litany** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:31 am

HolyToledo wrote:I would rather lose the Jazz #1 pick so that the young guys get some playoff experience. Big AL also working hard this year and I want him to make the playoffs for the 1st time. So yes give the young guys time along with some vets. Corbin doing a good job of that but he put Favors guarding a 3 pointer shooter in a no win position. He could have brought in Watson and gone really small and guarantee the Jazz win this game.

Watson, Harris, CJ, Hayward, and Millsap could have guarded whom the Raptors had on the floor.

How helpful is that "experience" when they are sitting on the bench?

IMO, an asset that could take us from pretender ( Nuggs, Sixers, Memphis) to contender is more important than a total of 60 minutes of playoff experience for Favors, 40 for Kanter and 20 mins for Burks.

SLC Biz · Post #164 » by **SLC Biz** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:49 pm

Soul Patch wrote:
SLC Biz wrote:I thought Corbin decided to close games with Watson from now on, but guess not.

Maybe he played Harris to finish the game in order to boost his trade value? If so, that certainly backfired.

Or maybe he played Harris because he was having a great night scoring the ball and could not have possibly known he'd miss 3 out of 4 his free throws.

I'm not sure what goes first when the Jazz lose a game, perspective or sensibility but it sure does **** off quick.

It's interesting how Watson, with his fantastic play against Dallas, didn't get the same treatment when Harris's inability to run an offense lost us that game as well.

Farsider322 · Post #165 » by **Farsider322** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:59 pm

My biggest problem with last night was that Ty had 3 perimeter players in the game that had played a lot of minutes, and had no confidence in their shot. I thought the OT line up should have have had Earl, Howard, and CJ. At least they have can hit an open shot once in a whlie to free up the middle. I think Ty had the others in because they were better defensively. Toronto hit two tough 3 pointers, but the Jazz couldn't respond when Toronto packed it into the middle.

Jazzfan12 · Post #166 » by **Jazzfan12** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:03 pm

Even though we lost, I'm glad Favors got a lot of minutes. The coaching staff has to start letting him play through his mistakes and that just hasn't been happening when both Millsap and Al are healthy

countrybama24 · Post #167 » by **countrybama24** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:05 pm

JazzD15 wrote:
HolyToledo wrote:I would rather lose the Jazz #1 pick so that the young guys get some playoff experience. Big AL also working hard this year and I want him to make the playoffs for the 1st time. So yes give the young guys time along with some vets. Corbin doing a good job of that but he put Favors guarding a 3 pointer shooter in a no win position. He could have brought in Watson and gone really small and guarantee the Jazz win this game.

Watson, Harris, CJ, Hayward, and Millsap could have guarded whom the Raptors had on the floor.

How helpful is that "experience" when they are sitting on the bench?

IMO, an asset that could take us from pretender ( Nuggs, Sixers, Memphis) to contender is more important than a total of 60 minutes of playoff experience for Favors, 40 for Kanter and 20 mins for Burks.

YES. I like it when this team plays well, but it is unquestionably in it's interest to get a nice lotto pick rather than make the playoffs.

retiredcoach · Post #168 » by **retiredcoach** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:41 pm

by countrybama24 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:05 am
YES. I like it when this team plays well, but it is unquestionably in it's interest to get a nice lotto pick rather than make the playoffs.

I also think it's in the team's best interest to get a good solid draft pick above 12th in the coming draft.

The problem is that thinking is based on what's good for the Jazz organization over the long run.

For Corbin and the players, this strategy is counter productive. The more games the Jazz win the more positive impact it has on Corbin's future as a coach, and the better the future contracts of the current players will be. So from their perspective losing and not making the playoffs is a bad idea.

No one is going to convince them to go along with the draft pick mentality.

There's 50 games left. A lot of stuff can happen. Last year was a good example.

countrybama24 · Post #169 » by **countrybama24** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:30 am

I don't expect the players or coach to tank. I simply expect O'connor to make the personal moves that best position the jazz over the long-term. I think in that case, he should be trying to move our overpaid vets (harris and jefferson) for any sort of asset to clear playing time, and embrace being a bottom feeder until our new kids develop and we find a PG / wing. I hope harris plays well enough for us to move him, and I applaud that move, I just don't understand keeping jefferson and trying to make a run at the playoffs from a front office perspective. Obviously the players and the coach are supposed to win.