Geoff Petrie, your thoughts and opinions

[blind prophet]

So how do you think Geoff has preformed in recent history? How far back is ok to reference before current themes and trends dictate job performance. ETC.

First in defense of Geoff, I think we lack information going on internally to make many assumptions in our recent performance. We don't know who he would have liked to sign that our current owners refused to send a check to. We also do not know how much influence the Magoofs had in selecting Jimmer, nor has it been enough time in my opinion to judge Jimmer's selection.

For drafts recently, I think Tyreke, Cuz, and Isiah all were excellent draft choices. I think the Salmons trade is looking very bad, especially do to his pricey contract. I think the signing of Chuck will pay dividends in the near future but I think we also need more time to evaluate it. Outlaws 4 year at 3 mil per is a bust.

I am not sure if some of these bad choices were his calls or the Maloofs, but I am really curious at what we will do before the deadline.

My current opinion is wait and see what Geoff can get done by deadline, if he can not make improvements, maybe it could be time to think of a replacement.

Personally I give the majority of the blame at ownership, but Petrie no longer seems to have the magic he used to.

[KF10]

I give Petrie this season (and maybe the next) to fix the mess. Looking at other available GMs out there, there is no one that can come close to Petrie's resume imo.

We need Burkle!

[SacKingZZZ]

Tough question, I don't really know how much of this is his "mess" to fix. If Smart doesn't work the most crucial part of his job is finding the right coach to direct these guys. I think the foundation is there with some really good glue guys mixed in, they just aren't being directed in the right fashion yet, but I have faith in Smart that he'll at least get the ball rolling.

Look there was nobody on the market that would take this Kings team from where it is now and allow the youngest dang team in the league to bypass all of the problems the youngest team in the league is inherently going to have. Hayes is a good pickup and start though. Find a way to get the most out of Cousins, Evans, and Thornton and you're off and running.

[City of Trees]

My Grades on GP since the C Webb trade

Trades: As much as I hate GP trade's, to be fair I have to look at the trading assets he had to work with. Nothing franchise changing has gone out/or come in. Pieces have not fit but overall the talent level has stayed to same. However i think time will show his current draft day trade will be the reason he is fired. In the trade department he gets a C-

FA: As a GM of a small market team we always seem to give a pass in this category. Including the grading curve in FA signings i give GP a D+ (Mikki Moore, Udoh, ect....)

Coaches: Do I really need to relive Mussleman. D-

Draft: With multiple lottery picks it is hard to get anything lower than a B- here. Also found K. Martin late 1st. Worst pick: Douby Best pick: Cousins ... My grade B


Gp has been unimpressive other than the Grizz gifting us Evans by taking Thabeet, and the Wolves gifting us Cousins. Oh and Thornton. The John Salmons signing was probably his best FA acquisition. SAR was a disappointment, a gamble, but a disappointment. Overall, GP has done great things during his GM tenure, but at some point it must end.

[down_el_road]

I lost all faith in him during the 09 draft when he chose Tyreke over Rubio. We'd be a completely different team. Then he lets competitors with pure heart like Casspi and Brockman go away for complete crap. He's terrible! I hate to think that the run we had during the early part of the decade was lucky a run for Geoff, but the more moves he makes, the more I believe he's just a piece of crap.

[gold_leader64]

I give Petrie this season (and maybe the next) to fix the mess. Looking at other available GMs out there, there is no one that can come close to Petrie's resume imo.

We need Burkle!

Fix the mess...he created? How many seasons will that logic carry over?

He's a great drafter, but one of the worst in the league with free agent signings and trades.

Add to that he took the team from a physically imposing team with an advantage inside to a small-ball gunner team with selfish players and weak inside presence, and it's clear where the problem lies.

[gold_leader64]

I lost all faith in him during the 09 draft when he chose Tyreke over Rubio. We'd be a completely different team. Then he lets competitors with pure heart like Casspi and Brockman go away for complete crap. He's terrible! I hate to think that the run we had during the early part of the decade was lucky a run for Geoff, but the more moves he makes, the more I believe he's just a piece of crap.

Yeah, I hate that he drops players and then attempts to acquire similar players later on.

Just look how he handled Beno. He traded one of the few real pass-first players on the team, who could run the show, to move DOWN in the draft to get Salmons for MORE MONEY on his deal, and now the team is scrambling to find a floor leader who can run the offense and make plays with passing. Go figure.

Also, I was continually upset at how they misused Hawes, people here called him soft and trash for what they asked him to do in the offense, and now he's producing on one of the east's top teams as their starting C.

[KF10]

Fix the mess...he created? How many seasons will that logic carry over?

He's a great drafter, but one of the worst in the league with free agent signings and trades.

Add to that he took the team from a physically imposing team with an advantage inside to a small-ball gunner team with selfish players and weak inside presence, and it's clear where the problem lies.

Petrie certainly has a lot to be blame for this but I don't think he's the only culprit here. It's a combination of most of the Kings FO/Maloofs not just Petrie.

Like I said earlier, I want to give Petrie this season to fix the mess. If he manages to alleviate some of this, I give him another season.

[becorz]

I have always been confused by people blaming the Maloof's for Geoff Petrie's roster construction issues.

I understand that they wanted to lower payroll the last couple of years...but isn't that exactly what a rebuilding team should be doing? Did it actually harm us to trade nothing for Sam Cassell or Marquis Daniels? Do you think Petrie could trade Kenny Thomas' corpse with three years left on his contract? Were we ever getting anything for Webber? Did we ever sell a draft pick?

My whole point is that, looking at the big picture, the Maloof's didn't force (in my mind anyway, maybe I am wrong) Petrie to do anything to harm the team. We were simply going through the rebuilding procees. It is almost nessicary to bottom out...ask the Thunder.

Now, I personally think the rebuilding process has been botched. Historically, Petrie has been a great drafter if you look at the comperable players picked when we took guys. The issue is that Petrie likes to overpay free agents before they test the market. Ask Beno, Cisco, Thornton, ect. Maybe he does that because he thinks people are just going to leave, but he does it. Trades have not been his strong suit either (exception being the Webber trade, which he kind of lucked into).

Personally, I think it is his time to go. Get some young blood in his spot...couldn't be any worse. Then again, we said that about getting rid of Rick Adelman...

[SacKingZZZ]

I lost all faith in him during the 09 draft when he chose Tyreke over Rubio. We'd be a completely different team. Then he lets competitors with pure heart like Casspi and Brockman go away for complete crap. He's terrible! I hate to think that the run we had during the early part of the decade was lucky a run for Geoff, but the more moves he makes, the more I believe he's just a piece of crap.

Yeah, I hate that he drops players and then attempts to acquire similar players later on.

Just look how he handled Beno. He traded one of the few real pass-first players on the team, who could run the show, to move DOWN in the draft to get Salmons for MORE MONEY on his deal, and now the team is scrambling to find a floor leader who can run the offense and make plays with passing. Go figure.

Also, I was continually upset at how they misused Hawes, people here called him soft and trash for what they asked him to do in the offense, and now he's producing on one of the east's top teams as their starting C.

I love how history and reality seem to get muddled when things go bad. Beno was another stop and pop, dribble, dribble, shoot guy for this team, he ran nothing of significance, he directed hardly anything. This team didn't even become respectable until they ran the offense through Cousins. That's the major different between this year and last. Not that Beno wasn't a nice fit in that style of play to a degree. Beno is a good player but he was moved for good reasons IMO. If they continued in that direction it made much more sense to find spot shooters to fill in those gaps you have to in order to succeed with a team built around players like Cousins and Tyreke. We were all shocked when Salmons was announced as coming back, but in theory it could have worked and maybe still can. That is if Salmons has any life left. If not? Oh well, give him the boot come summer time.

Can't disagree about Hawes but lets be honest here, if Petrie is to blame for anything it's that he had faith in a mediocre coach and allowed him run that 22 year old C out of town. I'm just glad when he went for round two with Cousins Petrie, or the Maloofs, said, "I don't think so. Not this time".

[Wolfay]

lulz at the dude calling Beno a pass-first PG. The only thing we lost from Beno was his jump shooting, which will hopefully be replaced (and more) by Jimmer.

Anyway, Petrie isn't perfect, and his mistakes are amplified since we're not the most attractive destination, where opportunities for improvement are fewer and riskier (like the draft). Then it's hard to say how much control Petrie really has. We all know that for a long time the Maloofs wanted to keep the Kings competitive during the rebuild process, which is pretty much impossible and only delayed the rebuild. It's also really hard to judge how good the current team really is during a lockout shortened season. It's not realistic to expect major improvements with a short training camp, hardly any practice, inexperienced players, and now with a new coach with a new philosophy. The odds were against the team before a second of basketball was played.

And I can't believe that people forget the year Petrie signed Bonzi Wells and traded for Artest. We nearly beat the Spurs as the 8th seed. If you want to judge Petrie solely on his record post-Webber, than you have to include the 2005-06 season, and that losing Bonzi and letting Adelman go in the offseason were not really his fault.

EDIT: We actually traded for Bonzi Wells, sending Bobby Jackson out. Does anybody want to call that a bad trade?

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, my thought as well with the potential "Bonzi" era. Fact is a lot of success with BBall comes from luck. Petrie has one of the most important parts of GM'ing down pat, and that's talent analysis.

I would have been really interested to see what direction that Bonzi/Artest team would have turned. I can't remember what we were all saying around here at the time, but I know that team would have some changes, major changes, that following summer. Shipping Miller, Bibby, and a few others out and bringing in a guy like Dalembert back then and going for a balls out in your face defensive team would have been my suggestion.

[deNIEd]

Draft: With multiple lottery picks it is hard to get anything lower than a B- here. Also found K. Martin late 1st. Worst pick: Douby Best pick: Cousins ... My grade B

In prior years I had full faith in Petrie's drafting ability.

However, after a few years have passed and we have all had adequate time to judge both our picks and the picks of other organizations, I think Petrie's drafting ability is highly overblown.

Since 2004, has Petrie really done that great of a job at all? Has he really made any selections that went outside of the general consensus and hit a home run? I don't think so. (I believe it is important to look at the consensus picks in order to judge a GM's ability to draft. For example, if you were a GM that had the 1st pick in years such as 2002, 2003, 2009, etc. where you have a clear cut consensus selection, you shouldn't really get credit for being a great drafter. Any idiot could just look up mock drafts and produced the same result. A good GM shines when you go against the consensus and end up making the correct choice. Such as if Portland drafted Durant over Oden or like when Chicago drafted Rose over Bealsey)

Let's work our way back, starting with 2010

2010 Draft
#5 - DeMarcus Cousins (Good pick, but also consensus pick at the time)
#33 - Hassan Whiteside (Too early to tell, but thus far isn't even a NBA player yet)

2009
#4 - Tyreke Evans (Consensus drafts had Rubio 3rd and Tyreke 4th. Drafting Tyreke wasn't really a "steal," but in fact may even have been a bad move depending on how good Rubio turns out)
#23 - Omri Casspi (Good pick at the time, but the final product of Casspi and a 1st is Hickson)
#31 (traded for #38) - Jon Brockman - (Meaningless pick)

2008
#12 - Jason Thompson (Consensus drafts had Anthony Randolph here *I wanted Ibaka, go through old posts*, Thompson and Randolph are both currently average bench/role players. Nothing special)
#42 - Sean Singletary
#43 - Patrick Ewing Jr. (Both second round draft picks were meaningless)

2007
#10 - Spencer Hawes (Consensus picks had Julian Wright or Spencer Hawes at this selection. Ultimately, while Hawes is currently showing that he can become a good player, he did very little for us as a franchise.)

2006
#19 - Quincy Douby (this year hurts A LOT. We needed a PG that year so we drafted Douby. Why does it hurt? Look at the following 5 PG's that were drafted. #21 Rondo, #22 Marcus Williams, #24 Kyle Lowry, #25 Shannon Brown, #26 Jordan Farmer. Essentially every other PG that was an option all ended up being better draft selections than the one we made. Two of the options ended up becoming some of the best PG's in the game. Ouch)


In the years prior to 2005, Petrie has made some very good selections. He had a few terrible blunders (such as promising to draft Arenas then not following through on draft day), but overall in the years between 1996-2005 Petrie has been solid. Since then...

[deNIEd]

I will look through trades and FA tomorrow!!!

[LeBron's Time]

bad bad season for petrie.
#1, start in 2011 rookie draft when he trade down to get salmons and jimmer.
#2, trade casspi and first round draft pick for hickson (at first i thought this was a great trade for us). #3, then he let sammy walk.

all of his 3 actions this season aren't good!

[OGSactownballer]

First, trading down to get Salmons was a good move at the time. You guys are quick to forget the Beno hate around here. When we were able to move him for a starting SF who is an established vet that virtually carried Milwaukee to the playoffs and put up all-star caliber numbers in the process and still end up getting the guy in the draft that they obviously wanted all along. I realize that something is very very wrong with John and I have no idea what it is. But you cannot argue that before the season started it was a very good move that seemed to fill our most obvious need in the starting lineup.

Second, there wasn't a single person here that didn't think that we robbed Cleveland in that trade. Again, we are still WAY early to make a final judgement on it, but even if JJ becomes our ace sixth man big, we are still looking pretty good at this point.

And so far as Sammy goes, whatever. He wasn't worth the kind of money he wanted and his me-first attitude would have finished the destruction of this team.

[ICMTM]

The Kings SUCK! They are a HORRIBLE team.

At one point GP couldn't miss when it came to making trades. I don't think any one of his moves on their own are bad, however the part that is alarming is this team doesn't have a core to build around. It may be Cousins and Evans, but that's it. We don't have much talent.

We have a bunch of athletes that aren't basketball players. In years past we had high IQ basketball players on the roster. There is a reason Cousins, Hickson, Thompson, and a few others look good on paper but things fall apart on the court. It's like Geoff Petrie is playing money ball and it's not working.

The Nick Anderson trade was the only trade that I was like WTF about.

[deNIEd]

The Kings SUCK! They are a HORRIBLE team.

At one point GP couldn't miss when it came to making trades. I don't think any one of his moves on their own are bad, however the part that is alarming is this team doesn't have a core to build around. It may be Cousins and Evans, but that's it. We don't have much talent.

We have a bunch of athletes that aren't basketball players. In years past we had high IQ basketball players on the roster. There is a reason Cousins, Hickson, Thompson, and a few others look good on paper but things fall apart on the court. It's like Geoff Petrie is playing money ball and it's not working.

The Nick Anderson trade was the only trade that I was like WTF about.

You're being generous lol.

We NEED a floor general (such as Rondo).

Do you always need a true PG to be successful? Absolutely not. When you have high bb IQ players and smart players, they can easily flourish without a true PG. However, it's clear our players are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). No one knows what to do without the ball. No one knows what to do to set up others or get set up themselves. All our players have played their entire lives as "the guy" and have been fed the ball and won on talent. However, they are no longer talented enough to win on talent alone.

[Krle_12]

I think he has had an off-season from hell!

At the end of last season we had 2 very good things going for us. One was that our big men rotation was as good as any in the league down the stretch of the season. Dalembert/Cousins/Thompson were proving to be ridiculously effective rotation both defensively and offensively and was only going to get better the more they played together. We had elite rebounding, shotblocking, defence, scoring, passing just about everything. Each player could play 2 positions, each player complemented each other really well and they played as a team. They were flat our beasting as a unit after the all star break last year. What does Petrie do?! He lets Sammy walk, trades for Hickson and signs Hayes. We got worse in every single area that we were good at once Landry was traded. We got shorter too. Now we are one of the worst team defensively, especially in the interior.

The 2nd good thing we had going for us was a STRONG 3 guard rotation with Evans/Thornton/Beno. They all could play with each other and off each other and like the 3 big men, they complemented each other. Beno was a stabilizing influence as a PG veteran. When we needed a veteran presence he would come in and steady the ship. No doubt he had some issues as a player but that 3 men guard rotation again was as good as one could possibly hope for without spending ridiculous amount of money.

So going into the off-season what this team needed to do was use its draft choices well (jury is still out on this one but I think we did OK if not really well), re-sign out key free agents in Sammy and Marcus, sign a veteran SF a glue guy that would have brought defence and and veteran leadership (in a FA class that was strong on these types of players), add another veteran PG that would not play much but was capable of playing extended minutes if injuries hit and another good veteran big men to add some depth to the roster.

What we did was get worse and spend a good chunk of our money in the process. Hayes would have been a PERFECT big men to sign and have him and JT come off the bench to back up Sammy and Cousins....that would have been a BEAST big men rotation.

Perfect SF would have been Kirilenko but even players like Prince or Battier would have been EXCELLENT signings for us.

Instead we outbid ourselves on Thornton (still a good deal but why pay more than you probably had to?!), let Sammy walk, sign Hayes and Outlaw. Trade for Salmons and Hickson and in the process trade away your 1st round pick.

So the 2 things we had going for, we threw away and got weaker at and in the process got worse as a team. Most of our pieces are in place at the end of last season. All we need to do is keep the main mix together, add some right players to the mix and let them gel together. Do that and I am CERTAIN would be be a play off team in the West. Now we are one of the worst team in the league and have less cap room and have lost a 1st round pick as some stage down the track.

Everything we needed to avoid this off season we have gone ahead and done and the results are no surprise.

[ICMTM]

Sometimes moves are a result of people not wanting to be here. Dalembert was offered a deal to come back here and he did not take it. You can't blame that on GP. Omri was unhappy. His time here was getting uglier by the minute. The restrictions on the pick are heavy anyway.

We do not have a SF. What we did have was three guys who claimed to be PG's in Evans/Thornton/Udrih. I still think the Salmons move was a good one. He, like the rest of the team, is horrible.

Anyway the overall talent level is filled with guys who are expected to grow. We've talked and talked about the smallest details like "we need a floor general." We need talented basketball players. We have 10 journeymen on the roster, and probable 1 or 2 that could be in Reno. We just aren't good. We need talent. With this roster, once they are veterans, become more talented??? I'm not seeing it out of Hickson. Thompson is who he is. Jimmer...again I'm seeing Reddick 2.0. I'm not sure Cousins has the maturity to be a leader on a team. Tyreke may never have a jumpshot. I think the reality is the team is built on guys who fit a prototype but can't live up to there expectations.