Doctor MJ wrote:grimballer wrote:lets try to focus on the v of mvp
how you determine whos more valuable?
better yet how you gonna qualify d?
duncan did play on no.1 d in spurs, but he was team up with another elite defender in robinson (twin towers) together they were responsible for spurs d, not duncan by himself.
on the other hand malone was slightly better on offense/production wise, things you can qualify.
You seem to me like you're being really inconsistent with what you're including and what you're excluding. You're basically saying "it's too hard to tell who is actually better on defense so might as well just go by who the experts voted for All-Defense" but not acknowledging the validity of those same experts universally ranking Duncan higher in DPOY consideration from the moment he entered into the league and universally agreeing that Duncan went on to improve drastically from there.
Let's also note that the whole notion that you can make a good assessment of these players simply based on the offense (because defense is theoretically minor enough we can half-ass the analysis) isn't supported by what we see in the adjusted +/- data of the '00s. Interior players are typically more important on defense than offense, and Duncan's no exception to this.
Now, I would say that Malone IS an exception to this, and this is partly because of how good he was on offense. However it's also because as big men defenders go, Malone was incomplete. Duncan's classification as PF is due to circumstance, and the Spurs defense continued to dominate well after Robinson for as long as Duncan remained in his prime. Malone on the other hand needed to play with a true big man defender who could actually be the shot blocking threat for the team.
well coaches voting (all nba d team) is different than journalists voting (dpoy) dont you think?
also when arguing you try to be as objective as possible.
thats why offensive n production > d
a good offensive team can have a off night (miss the shots they usually make) n you can pretend that you played good d.
or youre horrible on d, but youre surrounded with good d palyers who hide your weaknesses on d.
on offense its a different story. you gotta do 2 most difficult task in bball.
1. put the ball through the hoop
2. set up no.1
n yeah malone needed a 7 footer to "protect him", but dont forget that it was GREG OSTERTAG.
its not like he needed mutombo or morning.
making the finals with greg ostertag at c is an accomplishment in itself.
