Can the Blue Jays do well with their rotation as is?

[BobbyBoy]

The BlueJays have talent, they have a good bullpen, but their rotation isn't that good. Do you people think that they have to add a good starter, or can they go with a Romero, Morrow, Alvarez, and probably Cecil, and McGowan. IMO I think they have to add a good starter. Man, I really wish AA got Latos.

[hyper316]

i think the reason why jays didn't add any SP is because they want to see (cecil, alvarez, mcgowan) who will sink or swim. if sink, they they have a pipeline of minor league prospect to audition for a spot. if they swim, increase their value for future trade. in the end, our prospect has a higher ceiling than cecil and mcgowan, so i don't think these 2 are in the long term plan. alvarez can be special. I left out romero and morrow because they got long term contracts

[WpgPage]

Would you have given up D'Arnaud and Alverez + for him? That would have been the approximate cost from the Jays. This rotation is not good enough to make the post season I think we can all agree on that. The Jays will watch very closely this year to see what they have Romero is a pretty well known commodity but guys like Morrow, Cecil, Alverez still have question marks. Determining what each of them can bring onto the field will be key to assessing how to approach next off season, which I think will be the key off season to building this team. If Morrow can but it all together and Cecil can be a solid 4th/5th starter then I think adding Hamels or Cain would cement a play off quality rotation, however if Morrow struggles again or Cecil has to be moved to the pen then more moves will need to be made.
Hamels - or - Cain
Morrow - Romero
Romero - Morrow
Alverez/(any of our RHP prospects) - Cecil
Cecil - Alverez/(any of our RHP Prospects)

Would be an ideal rotation assuming Morrow secedes and Cecil can hack it as a 4th/5th starter.

[baulderdash77]

I think we can win more games than we lose with our rotation. However there is too many ifs for us to realisticly compete.

-Can Morrow give us 32 or 33 starts
-Can Cecil regain his consistent form and pitch 180+ effective innings
-Can Alvarez maintain his good start after hitters get a scouting report
-Can Drabek bounce back

That's a lot of questions. I felt better about basicly the same rotation last year at this same time.

[BobbyBoy]

Would you have given up D'Arnaud and Alverez + for him? That would have been the approximate cost from the Jays. This rotation is not good enough to make the post season I think we can all agree on that. The Jays will watch very closely this year to see what they have Romero is a pretty well known commodity but guys like Morrow, Cecil, Alverez still have question marks. Determining what each of them can bring onto the field will be key to assessing how to approach next off season, which I think will be the key off season to building this team. If Morrow can but it all together and Cecil can be a solid 4th/5th starter then I think adding Hamels or Cain would cement a play off quality rotation, however if Morrow struggles again or Cecil has to be moved to the pen then more moves will need to be made.
Hamels - or - Cain
Morrow - Romero
Romero - Morrow
Alverez/(any of our RHP prospects) - Cecil
Cecil - Alverez/(any of our RHP Prospects)

Would be an ideal rotation assuming Morrow secedes and Cecil can hack it as a 4th/5th starter.

I don't think it would have cost both of d'arnaud and alvarez. It might not have even cost both of then. It might have been like Arencibia, Hutchinson, Gose, and maybe another prospect.

[SharoneWright]

One thing I'll say.....

Its all youth. With #5 McGowan (the 'old man') hopefully to be challenged by Drabek.

[BobbyBoy]

[quote="SharoneWright"]One thing I'll say.....

Its all youth. With #5 McGowan (the 'old man') hopefully to be challenged by Drabek.[/quote
TBH, i don't think McGowan is gonna do that great, but he could do what Marcum did.
Also, this is just a thought, but if Marcum hit FA next year, you guys think he would give us a discount, Because he was such great friends with romero, morrow, cecil.

[Graham's Cracker]

This is Marcum's big chance to cash in. I'm sure he goes for the best offer.

Maybe he'll go home to an up-and-coming KC Royals.

[WpgPage]

I don't think it would have cost both of d'arnaud and alvarez. It might not have even cost both of then. It might have been like Arencibia, Hutchinson, Gose, and maybe another prospect.

If SD has that offer and the one they got from Cinnci on the table which one do they take? 9/10 they take the Reds offer they only way we would have been able to outbid them is to offer one of D'Arnaud, Lawrie or Alvarez given where the team is position player wise I would not make that trade. Obviously some will disagree but I just dont think it was a move that would have helped the team overall. Not when there are some many starters available next off season when the team will hopefully be in a much better position to compete.

One thing I'll say.....

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TBH, i don't think McGowan is gonna do that great, but he could do what Marcum did.
Also, this is just a thought, but if Marcum hit FA next year, you guys think he would give us a discount, Because he was such great friends with romero, morrow, cecil.

I agree I have little hope for McGowan I think at best he will be a reliever but I would be happy if surprised. As for Marcum I think he will be signed in MIL before he hits FA but if he is available I would be hesitant. Hes a #3 and I would rather spend 18 mil on Hamels or Cain than 6 on Marcum.

[TheMainEvent]

They don't HAVE to add another starter. They CAN do well with this starting rotation.

But that's kind of the same with any team. They all can do well. It depends on whether the starters play to their potential and whether they get injured or not.

If everything goes right -- doubtful, but possible -- they can have a great starting rotation.
If most things go right -- more likely -- they can have a very effective starting rotation.
If quite a lot goes wrong -- maybe just as likely -- they can be a bad starting rotation.

Should they add a good pitcher? Sure... but probably not at the expense that it took other teams to get guys like Gonzalez or Latos. The "let's win now!" side of me says screw the farm system and give everybody up for the best possible starter, but the more sensible side says that the Jays shouldn't make deals that aren't exactly in their favor.

[Relentless88]

I think can they can definitely surprise some people (especially some skeptics on this board). Cecil has lost weight, and could be in line for a bounce back season. Morrow was as good as Romero last season, and I think both are very likely to have good years (especially for Morrow after signing his new deal).

Then there's Alvarez and his great upside. It'll also be interesting to see if Drabek/McGowan can regain some of their old forms. I don't think it's a bad idea to trot this rotation out there and see what we have. AA will probably then make a mid season deal (if necessary).

[BobbyBoy]

I think can they can definitely surprise some people (especially some skeptics on this board). Cecil has lost weight, and could be in line for a bounce back season. Morrow was as good as Romero last season, and I think both are very likely to have good years (especially for Morrow after signing his new deal).

Then there's Alvarez and his great upside. It'll also be interesting to see if Drabek/McGowan can regain some of their old forms. I don't think it's a bad idea to trot this rotation out there and see what we have. AA will probably then make a mid season deal (if necessary).

Yeah right! Morrow as good as romero last season.....

[Santoki]

I think can they can definitely surprise some people (especially some skeptics on this board). Cecil has lost weight, and could be in line for a bounce back season. Morrow was as good as Romero last season, and I think both are very likely to have good years (especially for Morrow after signing his new deal).

Then there's Alvarez and his great upside. It'll also be interesting to see if Drabek/McGowan can regain some of their old forms. I don't think it's a bad idea to trot this rotation out there and see what we have. AA will probably then make a mid season deal (if necessary).

Yeah right! Morrow as good as romero last season.....

Ya, I have no idea what season you watched last year, but Romero was lightyears better than Morrow. Ricky was the only reliable starter and was an All-Star. We never knew which Morrow would show up on a start to start basis.

[BobbyBoy]

I kinda hope everyone expect Romero has a sub-par year(I want Romero to have a amazing year), so AA feels like it would be best to sign a guy like hamels or cain or someone (assuming they become FA).

[Randle McMurphy]

It would take an absolutely massive deal to sign a major pitcher like Hamels or Cain. There is no reason to think AA would do something like that (or perhaps more importantly, that Rogers would allow it to happen).

To answer the thread's question, though, yes, the Jays can do well with their rotation. Each of Romero, Morrow, and Cecil have had MLB success and Alvarez certainly looked the part of a good starter last season. There are a few question marks there, but I could see each of those main 4 having good years.

[WpgPage]

I kinda hope everyone expect Romero has a sub-par year(I want Romero to have a amazing year), so AA feels like it would be best to sign a guy like hamels or cain or someone (assuming they become FA).

If that happens I doubt AA will go out and try to address it in the FA market, he has said repeatedly that he want FA's that will be the final touch. I hope all 4 of them do well as finishing with 85+ wins is probably the only way that AA/Rogers will be ready to throw so cash at a FA starter. I would really like to see the Jays sign Hamels and if they win 85-88 games I think they will be in the right position to add a top of the line starter.

[BobbyBoy]

Lol, remember when marcum was here and everyone thought we had something so special with marcum, Romero, Cecil,morrow. Good days, but better days with Lawrie!