In Support Of Eric

WD · Post #1 » by WD » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:13 pm

i am not a fan of this guy BUT i want to believe this guy is being ignored at times

from ask ira today

"Q: Jon Barry and Chris Broussard on the ESPN NBA postgame show on Sunday were both critical of the Heat (despite the win). They said the Heat don't run plays in the fourth, rely too much on isolation, and have no movement off the ball, and, as a result, the Heat will be in trouble in the playoffs. Are they right or are they haters? Should we care? -- Stuart, Weston.

A: Should we care because they said it? No. Should we care because it's a legitimate issue? Sure. Here's the problem: Erik Spoelstra has shown that when he calls plays, they can be very effective. But LeBron James, at times, has a mind of his own, and Sunday there were plenty of those times. Did Spoelstra have better ideas? I'm sure he did. But such is the tightrope you have to walk with superstars. Just ask Mike Brown."

WD - LBJ pounds the ball too damn much, is a ball stopper and is relied on too much on this team, which gives him the idea that he can do what he wants

mods lock delete, merge or whatever - just wanted to make a point

Post #2 » by **Heat11114** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:32 pm

The article seems to imply that Lebron is ignoring the plays. I think that's flat out wrong. We are running into issues when the plays break down. As opposed to moving the ball after the initial breakdown with 10-12 seconds on the clock we're holding onto the ball and then taking contested jumpers.

Thought #1 I seriously wonder how we got through last year and the horrid start. We're sitting at 15-5, an NBA 2nd best 7-3 against teams over .500, and have won every big game we've played (LAL, Dallas, Boston, Chi).

Thought #2, the most flawed statistic in the NBA record in games within 3 points we're sitting at 3-0... :lol:

Remember how much crap we took for going 2-8 in that one last year despite having plenty of close games we'd end up winning by 4-5-6 points?

arsenic · Post #3 » by **arsenic** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:39 pm

LOL @ "In support of Eric" did he just get fired or something, whatamimissing?

You don''t have a point, you just for whatever reason felt the need to create a pointless thread.

Post #4 » by **DefenseWins** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:06 pm

I already came up with this conclusion when Spo in a time out said to move the ball and trust eachother, and all LBJ did was take all the shots, running down the clock, etc.

Wade and LBJ definitely do not listen to Spo, and this has been going on for awhile.

Pimpwerx · Post #5 » by **Pimpwerx** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:33 pm

My only beef with Spo is he is slow to react. Rose with 2 fouls early in the 1st and Thibs puts him back in? ATTACK! Nope. He had Rio fumble around for a few minutes before putting in Cole, getting good results, and then sitting him...for no good reason. I will never understand some of his rotation decisions, but I suppose it's something I can live with given the talent on the squad.

It just seems like we see some things better than him. Countless games we've all seen Haslem **** things up long before Spo would yank him. Ditto for the Shane/Miller/Jones balance. I guess he likes to give his guys a chance to play through the mistakes and lapses.

He has called great plays out of timeouts, and even down the stretch. Can't fault him for superstars doing their superstar thing. The freelancing is part of the deal. He's under contract, so not going anywhere. PEACE.

DWadeno3 · Post #6 » by **DWadeno3** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:09 pm

Again, I don't understand why we went away from the Wade-Bosh pick and roll. It was working well until they trapped Wade at the midcourt lane and he committed a stupid turnover by jump-passing. After that, it was LeIso the rest of the way. If anything, you gotta keep using the play that was working. The reason they trapped Wade early is because they didn't want to allow him to use the screen. By trapping him, they also risked leaving somebody open, so all we needed to do is have them trap Wade, then have him pass the ball and swing it around for a good, open shot. In case they would stop trapping him, you can still go back to the pick and roll with Bosh and instead of Wade driving, you can take advantage of them hedging by feeding Bosh and, if they rotate, ultimately feeding LeBron or another open player. My point is, why did we go away from something that was hurting them and forcing them to adjust to the easiest play to guard, an isolation.

EscapoTHB · Post #7 » by **EscapoTHB** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:05 pm

Sometimes you do have to give the other team credit though. I know one the one where Lebron ended up with that awkward **** jumper, he tried to run something with triggers, but the Bulls read it perfectly, and Lebron's defender stayed in front of him really well and forced a bad shot.

I do think both Wade and Lebron go to hero ball too much in the fourth quarter, and that that's not really Spo's fault, as it happens with every superstar around the league. Rose did it yesterday too. Kobe does it all of the time. Melo is destroying the Knicks with doing it all of the time. So it's not something that just our guys do.

I just can't wait for Wade and Lebron both to realize that executing something that involves all three of our big three is the best way to go in the clutch. I know Lebron gets beat up by the media whenever he does anything but score 20 points in the fourth, and hit the last second game winning shot--but for the team, I would like to see us execute our offense a little better in those situations.

That's why CP3 is IMO the deadliest clutch player in the league, because he is able to make his shot sure, but he's also using the whole force of the offense on you in those finals seconds.

Also Chris Bosh is probably the clutchest dude of our big three. Would be nice if we ran a simple pick and pop or pick and roll with him in those situations where things break down. I trust Bosh to shoot a contested big shot more than I do Wade or Lebron at this point.

Also Chalmers is pretty clutch.

As for Spo, I think he's doing a really good job, particularly this year with the limited practice time and training camp. He's a top 10 Coach I think, with potential to be the best if we start winning titles.

1. Popovich
2. George Karl
3. Adelman
4. Carlisle
5. Doc Rivers
6. Doug Collins
7. Spo
8. Nate McMillan
9. Thibs
10. I dunno.

So I'd say he's in that Nate McMillan/Thibs class of coach who are very promising and whose best work is in front of them. He's definitely outcoached Thibs every time we've played them though. I think he's in his head now.

WD · Post #8 » by WD » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:08 am

arsenic wrote:LOL @ "In support of Eric" did he just get fired or something, whatamimissing?

You don''t have a point, you just for whatever reason felt the need to create a pointless thread.

So does that mean you won't be replying to any more of my posts?

RexBoyWonder · Post #9 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:13 am

EscapoTHB wrote:Sometimes you do have to give the other team credit though. I know one the one where Lebron ended up with that awkward **** jumper, he tried to run something with triggers, but the Bulls read it perfectly, and Lebron's defender stayed in front of him really well and forced a bad shot.

I do think both Wade and Lebron go to hero ball too much in the fourth quarter, and that that's not really Spo's fault, as it happens with every superstar around the league. Rose did it yesterday too. Kobe does it all of the time. Melo is destroying the Knicks with doing it all of the time. So it's not something that just our guys do.

I just can't wait for Wade and Lebron both to realize that executing something that involves all three of our big three is the best way to go in the clutch. I know Lebron gets beat up by the media whenever he does anything but score 20 points in the fourth, and hit the last second game winning shot--but for the team, I would like to see us execute our offense a little better in those situations.

That's why CP3 is IMO the deadliest clutch player in the league, because he is able to make his shot sure, but he's also using the whole force of the offense on you in those finals seconds.

Also Chris Bosh is probably the clutchest dude of our big three. Would be nice if we ran a simple pick and pop or pick and roll with him in those situations where things break down. I trust Bosh to shoot a contested big shot more than I do Wade or Lebron at this point.

Also Chalmers is pretty clutch.

As for Spo, I think he's doing a really good job, particularly this year with the limited practice time and training camp. He's a top 10 Coach I think, with potential to be the best if we start winning titles.

1. Popovich
2. George Karl
3. Adelman
4. Carlisle
5. Doc Rivers
6. Doug Collins
7. Spo
8. Nate McMillan
9. Thibs
10. I dunno.
So I'd say he's in that Nate McMillan/Thibs class of coach who are very promising and whose best work is in front of them. He's definitely outcoached Thibs every time we've played them though. I think he's in his head now.

No way im puting Spo ahead of Nate or Thibs..he's not top 10 untill he proves it, as of today - he really didnt.

GreenHat · Post #10 » by **GreenHat** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:17 am

I don't see what Spo has done to be ranked ahead of Thibs. Thibs had a better record last year in his rookie season with less talent than Spo has. He also has the better record this year too.

We beat them in the playoffs because we have better players.

I'd rather have Thibs and I'm not one who thinks Spo is the worst coach in the world.

I don't understand the whole "Lebron and Wade don't listen to Spo" as a defense of Spo. If the players just ignore the guy then thats a fault not a positive.

Pimpwerx wrote:My only beef with Spo is he is slow to react. Rose with 2 fouls early in the 1st and Thibs puts him back in? ATTACK! Nope. He had Rio fumble around for a few minutes before putting in Cole, getting good results, and then sitting him...for no good reason. I will never understand some of his rotation decisions, but I suppose it's something I can live with given the talent on the squad.

Yeah when Rose came back into the game I was hoping we would go right after him. Just screw the normal rotation and put Cole/Wade/Lebron or Wade/Lebron/Miller and go after Wade. Either you get easy defense or you get Rose that third foul and he's gone for a long time.

WD · Post #11 » by WD » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:44 am

I still have my issues with ERIC, but wanted to show that I can show a little support or defend his actions when I feel he may be disrespected on occasion.

I don't have to like him as our coach, but I do have to accept it until someone else is there. My issues are similar to those that are hear, but I have a few exclusive issues with him, but he's not going away anytime soon, so I have to adjust to him.

BadMofoPimp · Post #12 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:54 am

Even if the Heat win a ship this year, people will still crack on the guy for the little things. Maybe even say if they had a better coach last year, they would have won it then too. I like Eric and he is doing a decent job here.

Flash4thewin · Post #13 » by **Flash4thewin** » Wed Feb 1, 2012 3:15 pm

This reminds me of a teacher trying to defend herself saying its not her fault the students dont listen. Needless to say it doesn't end well for the teacher.

Teacher: i have this great study guide to help my students but they just dont listen. Its not my fault, its the kids fault.

Principal: Your fired

WD · Post #14 » by WD » Wed Feb 1, 2012 7:46 pm

Based on his salary as compared to his peers, I am going to try and ease up on the guy the remainder of the year. we do need to win this year though.

WD · Post #15 » by WD » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:41 am

Hard to support ERIC after this one, I'm sorry we just have too much talent to lose to the BUCKS WITHOUT STEPHEN JACKSON and after being up by 17

Post #16 » by **kyphi** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:56 am

I like Spo; no one can deny his dedication to the Heat. But, (there's always a but) he can't motivate this team - there is no reason to settle for jumpers when they can drive to the basket - he's got to get that across; they have tuned him out

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #17 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:58 am

WD wrote:Hard to support ERIC after this one, I'm sorry we just have too much talent to lose to the BUCKS WITHOUT STEPHEN JACKSON and after being up by 17

1st half: Stephen Jackson played. You were up by 17.

2nd half: Stephen Jackson didn't play. Lead evaporated.

That wasn't a coincidence. He's terrible. You've never seen a happier board then when the report that Dwight wants to play with Jackson came out. Like we just won a title or something. Have fun New Jersey.

Grumpy Heat Fan · Post #18 » by **Grumpy Heat Fan** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:17 am

It would seem to me that LeBron does not, and will not, respond to Eric Spoelstra.

I guess LeBron thinks Spo does not have the resume to command his attention.

That's LBJ's immaturity and Spo's inability to motivate the team. Whatever.

TRG · Post #19 » by **TRG** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:22 am

kyphi wrote:I like Spo; no one can deny his dedication to the Heat. But, (there's always a but) he can't motivate this team - there is no reason to settle for jumpers when they can drive to the basket - he's got to get that across; they have tuned him out

Agreed.

IMO Spo still hasn't fully gained neither Wade nor LeBron's respect and tonight's game against the Bucks was a prime example of that. Wade was playing like a damn idiot during the 2nd half and Spo didn't do jack **** to get him back on track. I've noticed this season that once Wade gets lazy the rest of the team follows suit, which leads to our eventual loss. The laziness issues this team has all starts with the coach. Spo is an okay coach but he simply cannot MOTIVATE this team. We need a Doc Rivers type of coach... a coach that will DEMAND respect from his players.

Post #20 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:00 am

WD wrote:Hard to support ERIC after this one, I'm sorry we just have too much talent to lose to the BUCKS WITHOUT STEPHEN JACKSON and after being up by 17

Forget Stephen Jackson, it's without Bogut who KILLS us.

The team just doesn't listen to him... I find it hard to believe he wasn't calling some plays or something. The offense couldn't have been that bad. I saw Wade just going into the paint, wanting a foul call, crying and didn't get back on defense. That's not Spo's fault honestly. Wade's not scared of him so... not much can be done.

So much for the triangle on steroids.

Spo said he saw no energy, ball was sticking, etc. What he tried to do? Don't know. Hard to tell with the shots the Heat were taking. They just couldn't buy a basket either...

Turnovers and stupid passes all night isn't his fault though. Rio kept passing it to the chest or feet of players instead of lobbing it... Wade and LBJ even missing lobs.