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Post#161 » by nate33 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:19 pm

Dat2U wrote:Wall (36 minutes) / Mack (12 minutes)
Young (28 minutes) / Crawford (20 minutes)
Vesely (24 minutes) / Singleton (24 minutes)
Lewis (28 minutes) / Booker (20 minutes)
McGee (32 minutes) / Seraphin (16 minutes)

Bench Blatche. Don't allow him to return until he gets into shape and can pass a challenging conditioning test (he doesn't pass, he doesn't play). Forget trying to build his trade value. He can't do it in his current condition.

Let Seraphin get ALL of the backup C minutes. It's time for him to sink or swim and we'll need to make a decision on whether to exercise the option on his rookie deal this off-season.

Have Ves & Lewis switch positions defensively. Ves has the athleticism and length to create havoc on the perimeter while allowing Lewis to bang with slower players. Lewis is key because he allows for spacing when Ves is on the floor. I'd always play those two together.

I see no reason to play Young only 28 minutes. He remains the only 2-way player on the roster and one of only two or three players who could start on half the teams in this league. It's fine if you think Crawford has earned 20 minutes at SG, but if that's the case, then play Young for another 8 minutes at the SF spot. (I think those minutes should ultimately be taken from Lewis.)
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Post#162 » by Dat2U » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:57 pm

I'd use the 2-way player term loosely when referring to Nick. I'd slice Young's minutes a bit because he's a free agent and he's not returning IMO. Crawford is likely on the roster for next season, or at the very least potential trade bait. Might as well get Crawford a bit more burn to raise the ppg. Honestly it doesn't make a big difference to me either way. Whatever the case, our starting SG next isn't on the roster.

Lewis plays because of the fit with Vesley and since Ves was the 6th pick, its all about his development. I think Lewis is a far better forward pairing than anyone else on the roster because of his experience at the 4 and his range which allows Ves to slide to a more comfortable role at the 3 as he had overseas.
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Post#163 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:29 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'm not sure what's up with Blatche, but with our current roster, and style of play being employed by Wittman, I'd like to see Blatche start at Center. Allow McGee to come in off the bench is spurts suited to his asthma, come in for energy and momentum boosting blocks and dunks. Utilize Blatche's offense and passing skills at center, flanked by energetic defenders Vesely and Singleton at the forwards.

Start Blatche, Vesely, Singleton, Young, Wall
Come off the bench with McGee, Booker, Lewis, Crawford, Mack


That will only happen at this point if McGee really Fs up. If he plays like last game, then Dray is competing with

Ves/Booker
McGee/KS

and he will only get 8-10 minutes a game until he gets quicker.

Between Ves and Booker, I don't see Dray getting many minutes at PF anymore. He is going to have to show he can do something more then the energy and quickness KS bring.

This team has transformed and Dray just doesn't fit anymore if he is going to be out of sharp. Old man Lewis can run better then Dray at this point. Bottom line. This off season was the year Dray needed to put in the work and come into camp in amazing shape. The writing was on the Wall about what this was going to be about.

He can still recover and make something of himself but this benching it what it is going to take for him to get it.... since he didn't last summer. Adding Ves and KS is what is allowing it to happen. Dray never had anyone to put him out of his spot. Now he does.
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Post#164 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:14 pm

Fwiw, Booker tweeted that Hamady is back. I'm not sure if that means that he's back from the D League - or if that means someone who's been active got injured. Perhaps Blatche needs some time off for his "calf injury". Judging hy H's stats, he's not being promoted because he's dominating the league.

Btw, why do is there a D League team called the Wizards that's run 100% by the Golden State Warriors, and why do the Wiz share a D League team in Iowa with 2 other teams? Ted - any thoughts?
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Post#165 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:54 pm

When is Turiaf coming back? We could sure use him.
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Post#166 » by thinker07 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:50 pm

Just announced that Dray is out with a calf strain for 3-5 weeks.

That means lots more minutes for Seraphin and the returning N'Diaye until Turiaf returns.
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Post#167 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:36 pm

thinker07 wrote:Just announced that Dray is out with a calf strain for 3-5 weeks.

That means lots more minutes for Seraphin and the returning N'Diaye until Turiaf returns.



That's probably a good thing... except for his trade value. At least they can pump him to other teams the next month and chalk up his slumping numbers to his minor injuries, rather than his lack of fitness or lack of place in the new scheme of things.

Cool to maybe see what Hamady can do. More of Vesely, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin is all good as well.
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Post#168 » by Nivek » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:20 am

Blatche being out might actually improve his trade value. When he's not on the floor, he can't remind anyone of his atrocious conditioning and poor b-ball IQ.
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Post#169 » by leswizards » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:06 pm

Nivek wrote:Blatche being out might actually improve his trade value. When he's not on the floor, he can't remind anyone of his atrocious conditioning and poor b-ball IQ.


Hopefully, Blatche will do what he did last year (ie, come on strong when he comes back from injury). If so, hopefully the trade deadline won't have passed, and the wizards will be able to find some sucker to give us something for him.
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Post#170 » by leswizards » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:19 pm

IMO, Shelvin Mack has played pretty well, and I would like to see the Wizards take some risk and experiment to see what their players are capable of in this lost season.

If I were coach, my rotation would be:

PG - Mack 36 mpg, Wall 12 mpg
SG - Wall 24 mpg, Crawford 24 mpg
SF - Vesely 24 mpg, Singleton 24 mpg
PF - Booker 36 mpg, Seraphin 12 mpg
C - McGee 36 mpg, Seraphin 12 mpg

I like Nick Young, but I have come to believe he is not part of the Wizards future, and the Wizards should trade him if they can, and if he doesn't want to be traded, to hell with him. Let him rot on the end of the bench while the Wizards use the available minutes to train the players who will almost certainly be on the Wizards roster next season.

I know the thought of Wall playing SG might irritate a few of you, and I am not suggesting it is a long term solution. I just want to see what Mack can do at PG, and what Wall can do at SG. Maybe Mack will drive up his trade value, and the Wizards might get something decent in return for him.
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Post#171 » by montestewart » Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:30 pm

If Mack can get that unit to score, I'd say he should be the first rookie to win the MIP award.
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Post#172 » by hands11 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:40 pm

Ok, they are back to this line up with last three games.

Wall/Mack
Nick/Craw/Mason
Singleton/Mo
Booker/Ves
McGee/KS

Dray and Lewis are out injured. Ronny is still out injured. Hamady is now gone.
Mo is starting to get some minutes the last 3 games which is good. He will find his shot if he gets some court time and they desperately need more outside shooting. Mason is shooting .288 on the year and .385 for jan. and is 5-25 from 3. He isn't going to be here when everyone is healthy so just cut him now.

Nick - At this point it looks like Nick he is not going to fit here. He has done some good things this season but he dribbling before he shoots is stopping the offense again. He can't dribble by anyone reliably and we need a SG who can do that. He needs to give up on that and just become a catch and shoot player who can drive if he gets the ball with an open floor in front of him. He should be sitting on the 3 point line. If he focused on that, he could get really good at it. The coaches really need to get on him about dribbling and tell him not to do it unless he has a clear lane.

Singleton isn't living up to expectations. Not sure how much longer they can start him if he isn't even a threat to shoot a set shot. I think he has gotten his fair chance to start. Give someone else another young player a try.

KS has shown improvement from last year and getting minutes the last 10 games. I want to see him continue to get on the floor. He has quick feet and a strong body. He has a motor. I think he will make it in this league. He just needs more experience. Aside from Booker, I think he is the next player who can actually produce more this year. It would be good to see him some with Booker.

So what is going to happen when Dray, Lewis and Ronny are ready to play again ? I sure hope they don't effect Bookers minutes and I sure don't want to see them taking away from KS since none of them are likely to stick on this team.

I know people don't like the idea but I think it is time to move Booker to SF so they can get KS and Ves on the floor with him. They need to develop. Booker is fast, quick and 6-7 ish. All three of them as active players who will use their bodies and all will get better with court time. Booker would just need to take more of those mid range shots. I think he would be a better SF then Singleton at this point. He drive better. He rebounds. He is quick. Fast. And he can finish and block.

Wall/Mack/Crawford
Nick/Craw/Mo - if Nick is going to catch and shoot. If not, start Crawford or Mo Evans.
Booker/Mo/Singleton
KS/Ves/Lewis
McGee/Dray/Ronny

or

Wall/Craw/Mack
Mo/Nick/Craw or even Craw starting. Mo may be better since he is smarter. Better for Wall.
Booker/Singleton/Mo/Lewis
KS/Ves/Lewis - Some games Ves can start also.
McGee/Dray/Ronny

If Dray, Lewis and Ronny come back I want to see them do this. Make Mason inactive, cut him and bring up a D league player. Keep Dray and Lewis as back ups. Play the younger player together.

At what point do they have to go back to 12 active players ?
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Post#173 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:58 pm

Booker is not a SF. He is a PF. The lineup Whitman is playing is pretty much the best lineup he can play given what he's got to work with.

I'd lean toward starting Mo Evans over Singleton to help boost the basketball IQ of our starting unit. The second unit can play helter-skelter full court D and have Crawford just jack 'em up in the half court set.

This team really needs "good Blatche" from the 2nd half of last season. An offensively capable big man would be real good for the 2nd unit. Play Blatche alongside Seraphin if the other team has a big post player. Play him alongside Vesely if the other team runs pick-and-rolls with perimeter-minded big men.
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Post#174 » by hands11 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:32 am

nate33 wrote:Booker is not a SF. He is a PF. The lineup Whitman is playing is pretty much the best lineup he can play given what he's got to work with.

I'd lean toward starting Mo Evans over Singleton to help boost the basketball IQ of our starting unit. The second unit can play helter-skelter full court D and have Crawford just jack 'em up in the half court set.

This team really needs "good Blatche" from the 2nd half of last season. An offensively capable big man would be real good for the 2nd unit. Play Blatche alongside Seraphin if the other team has a big post player. Play him alongside Vesely if the other team runs pick-and-rolls with perimeter-minded big men.


I see two positions that need IQ upgrades where there are easy options. That is why I was entertaining the moves I suggested.

They need a SG who has better control of his game. It would be nice if they could also handle the ball at a decent level. That means knowing when to dribble and when not to. Mo or Crawford may not be as good at shooting as Nick but Nick is not exactly hitting this year like he did in the past. Plus he kills the offense with his dribble. Both are better/smarter dribblers and both have some outside/midrange shooting ability. Crawford can even pass the ball pretty well but Mo would be less likely to take bad forced shots. I would trust Mo more to be effective and not mess things up when the team has something going.

Next is dealing with Singleton. I still like his D mostly but he doesn't dribble well or shot well specially off the dribble. So I am looking to replace him in the starting line up so he can be a defensive bench player. You say Booker can't play SF. Well what does Singleton do that Booker couldn't? Booker is faster, can jump higher, blocks more shots, has a better post game, and cuts the basket better and is more experienced. Neither has great dribbling skills or a great outside shot and they are about the same height.

Plus Dray, Lewis and Ronny will be returning. Ronny should get some court time since he is a smart vet player. That will also raise the IQ of the team.

That is what had me getting creative moving the pieces around. So what do you come up with as line ups once everyone is back. That is what I was projecting.

Wall, Mo, Booker pus two smart players on the court with Wall and Booker will set good picks.
Kev S and McGee add the beef and length the need in the post and KS will set good picks.

Booker, KS, and McGee is interesting to me. Nice mix of athletic, strength and length but obviously KS would need to step up his post game some which I think he can. He has the moves, he just needs to get comfortable in a game doing them. And he keeps the beef down there similar to Booker which helps McGee.

It is a lost season. Why not try it for a few games?
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Post#175 » by hands11 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:06 pm

I think my post from Feb 11 is still on the plate. Time to change the line up.

If it is going to be a tank season, you may as well develop and evaluate pieces you might keep. Nick could easily be gone and Singleton has gotten enough of a chance for a first year player who will most likely come off the bench longer term.

Get Crawford in as the starting SG. Nick can't handle the ball well/smartly so they need someone with improved ball handling in with the starters to help Wall. Since Mo won't be here longer term they may as well at least give Crawford a shot.

Singleton has leveled off. Time to give someone else a try. I want to see more KS. His minutes have been cut back as McGee's have increased so they need to move things around so he can get some court time.

Against stronger teams, they need to adjust quicker. Either start KS at PF with McGee or go to it a lot quicker. There are a lot of line ups they can roll out there with that.

Wall, Crawford, Booker, KS, McGee - let Booker work on that mid range. Two good pick setters.
Wall, Crawford, Ves, KS, McGee - why not give it a look. 2 pick setters, length and toughness.
Wall, Crawford, Lewis, KS, McGee for more established from shooting from range, exp and length

All of those line ups have at least two ball handlers. That is 1 more then they have now.

If you cant line up a team with great ball handling and shooting across the board, you may has well be physical, long and tough. But a team needs at least two ball handlers if he doesn't have efficient, smart shooters. How else are they going to move the defense and open up lanes and open shots?

I have read a lot from posters saying Ves is the bust. I think Singleton is on the table as the bust. SF defensive specialist is something that is needed, but I think you add that after you have the basics covered. Looks like there was a good reason he feel so far in the draft. Faried or Brooks would have been better choices given what this team needed. Brooks was a no brainer. EG blow that.
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Post#176 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:48 pm

Ugh. Seraphin isn't a PF. Crawford sucks as a starting SG because he jacks it up too much. That plan is terrible.
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Post#177 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:50 am

hands11 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Booker is not a SF. He is a PF. The lineup Whitman is playing is pretty much the best lineup he can play given what he's got to work with.

I'd lean toward starting Mo Evans over Singleton to help boost the basketball IQ of our starting unit. The second unit can play helter-skelter full court D and have Crawford just jack 'em up in the half court set.

This team really needs "good Blatche" from the 2nd half of last season. An offensively capable big man would be real good for the 2nd unit. Play Blatche alongside Seraphin if the other team has a big post player. Play him alongside Vesely if the other team runs pick-and-rolls with perimeter-minded big men.


I see two positions that need IQ upgrades where there are easy options. That is why I was entertaining the moves I suggested.

They need a SG who has better control of his game. It would be nice if they could also handle the ball at a decent level. That means knowing when to dribble and when not to. Mo or Crawford may not be as good at shooting as Nick but Nick is not exactly hitting this year like he did in the past. Plus he kills the offense with his dribble. Both are better/smarter dribblers and both have some outside/midrange shooting ability. Crawford can even pass the ball pretty well but Mo would be less likely to take bad forced shots. I would trust Mo more to be effective and not mess things up when the team has something going.

Next is dealing with Singleton. I still like his D mostly but he doesn't dribble well or shot well specially off the dribble. So I am looking to replace him in the starting line up so he can be a defensive bench player. You say Booker can't play SF. Well what does Singleton do that Booker couldn't? Booker is faster, can jump higher, blocks more shots, has a better post game, and cuts the basket better and is more experienced. Neither has great dribbling skills or a great outside shot and they are about the same height.

Plus Dray, Lewis and Ronny will be returning. Ronny should get some court time since he is a smart vet player. That will also raise the IQ of the team.

That is what had me getting creative moving the pieces around. So what do you come up with as line ups once everyone is back. That is what I was projecting.

Wall, Mo, Booker pus two smart players on the court with Wall and Booker will set good picks.
Kev S and McGee add the beef and length the need in the post and KS will set good picks.

Booker, KS, and McGee is interesting to me. Nice mix of athletic, strength and length but obviously KS would need to step up his post game some which I think he can. He has the moves, he just needs to get comfortable in a game doing them. And he keeps the beef down there similar to Booker which helps McGee.

It is a lost season. Why not try it for a few games?




I agree I'd like to see Mo Evans start at SF
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Post#178 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:15 am

nate33 wrote:Ugh. Seraphin isn't a PF. Crawford sucks as a starting SG because he jacks it up too much. That plan is terrible.


Come on Nate. You can do better then that. You ignore the facts laid out in my previous posts with this kind of generalization opinion ?

A terrible plan is sticking with the line up they have. We know what we have in Nick and who knows if he will even be here next year. And I think it is safe to say we know what Singleton and he is sticking around. The team needs another ball handler on the court and Crawford is the next best ball handler besides Wall.

Kevin has upside to develop and getting on the court will help do that.

This year is about developing assets and this is how they can do it. After that, with cap space, a huge expiring and another high pick, they can cash in and turn this thing around quickly if they play their cards right. I'm not even sure I would lock into using the pick. It may be better to cash in for known established talent. This thing is wide open in how they can use what they have to design a team. Or they can stay the course adding draft picks.

Once this losing season is over, there will be no more talk of tank seasons so they should try by any means to get as good as possible. They will be wide open to take on bigger contracts for good players. So build as much value now in your tradable assets. Nick is not one of those.

At this point is make no sense to start Nick or to keep Mason on the squad. Crawford is young. It is his second year and he started two games. He can develop. Nick is what Nick is. He isn't going to develop handles this year so start Crawford.
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Post#179 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:37 am

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nate33 wrote:Ugh. Seraphin isn't a PF. Crawford sucks as a starting SG because he jacks it up too much. That plan is terrible.


Come on Nate. You can do better then that. You ignore the facts laid out in my previous posts with this kind of generalization opinion ?

A terrible plan is sticking with the line up they have. We know what we have in Nick and who knows if he will even be here next year. And I think it is safe to say we know what Singleton and he is sticking around. The team needs another ball handler on the court and Crawford is the next best ball handler besides Wall.

Kevin has upside to develop and getting on the court will help do that.

This year is about developing assets and this is how they can do it. After that, with cap space, a huge expiring and another high pick, they can cash in and turn this thing around quickly if they play their cards right. I'm not even sure I would lock into using the pick. It may be better to cash in for known established talent. This thing is wide open in how they can use what they have to design a team. Or they can stay the course adding draft picks.

Once this losing season is over, there will be no more talk of tank seasons so they should try by any means to get as good as possible. They will be wide open to take on bigger contracts for good players. So build as much value now in your tradable assets. Nick is not one of those.

At this point is make no sense to start Nick or to keep Mason on the squad. Crawford is young. It is his second year and he started two games. He can develop. Nick is what Nick is. He isn't going to develop handles this year so start Crawford.

If you think it's pointless to play Young if he's going to be gone next year, then we shouldn't have retained him at all.

Developing a good team attitude starts with putting the players on the floor who give us the best chance of winning. That's Nick Young. Like him or not, he makes life a lot easier of Wall, McGee and Booker because he spaces the floor on offense and contains his man on D.

With Crawford, all we get is a streaky chucker who won't space the floor as well and disrupts the offensive flow by shooting with 20 seconds still on the shot clock. And he plays worse D.

Crawford is best utilized in the role he's in now. He plays 15 minutes to back up Young, and if his shot is falling, then we keep him on the floor in the 4th quarter and move Young to SF. It's not like Crawford is part of the future anyhow. I've seen enough to know that his ceiling is that of a backup. It's not worth sacrificing wins to try and develop a backup SG. I don't think moving him to the starting lineup would make a material difference in his development anyhow.
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Post#180 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:19 am

Only reason to start Nick over Crawford right now is if they plan on trading him this year.

Other then that, Crawford is more of the future then Nick is if you want to compare the two like that.
He is signed, young, can dribble better and this team need at least two people that can dribble on the floor. He can dribble, drive and pass better then Nick. And he has more undiscovered potential upside. Nick is what Nick is. And he isnt likely part of the future.

The reason to sign him was

It was cheap.
He could at least shoot and you wanted to see if he could add onto what he added last year. He hasnt. Now you know and it cost nothing to find out. They planned on being bottom feeders this year anyway.

If Nick isn't traded before the trade deadline, I dont think he will be starting after it passes. Not unless he magically develops some handles and some brains.

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