Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[Marlo Stanfield]

Are we basically looking at Barnes being Danny Granger and MKG being Iggy? This team needs Iggy more than Granger. What's the best comparison on Lamb? Brandon Roy?

Roy>Iggy>Granger

Btw, Hoopshype and NBAdraft.net have Lamb compared to Reggie Miller

[Steely Reserve]

I would really recommend you all stop with the sweeping cross-player comparisons. MKG is not the next Gerald Wallace for Caring Butler. And Harrison Barnes certainly isn't the next Joe Johnson... lol.

I think many of you should take a breath and try to not look at these guys in a vacuum and project their ability at the next level based on their current production. You also have to factor in their college system and their roles within that system. That's why statlines are really inconsequential in the big picture of NBA evaluators, or at least it should be.

Now the biggest victim of being seen in the vacuum is Perry Jones. I know many of you believe I have a fetish for him but in reality, its more about really being able to see how he successful he'll be in the NBA and yet people want to right off for averaging 'only' 7.9 rebounds a game in 31 minutes.

Conversely the same peole will lavish unending praise towards Harrison Barnes when all he does, literally, is shoot the ball. He can't pass. He can't dribble. He can't finish. He can't create. And he's a mediocrity rebounder for his size. I see very wiggle for the guy that will allow him to beat 1-on-1 defense at a premium level. He's essentially still riding the momentum of his hype coming into college.

It's amazing how you all are convinced Barnes is the difference maker you all say you desperately need...lol. It's downright laughable when you contrast it with your view on Perry Jones. It's like you all purposely forget Harrison Barnes struggled mightily before Marshall started spoonfeeding him buckets every game.

But hey... do ya'll. I'm just an observer from afar. My Cavs fanbase have convinced themselves similar, that Harrison is the answer and Perry is the question.

[Homer Jay]

Are we basically looking at Barnes being Danny Granger and MKG being Iggy? This team needs Iggy more than Granger. What's the best comparison on Lamb? Brandon Roy?

Roy>Iggy>Granger

Btw, Hoopshype and NBAdraft.net have Lamb compared to Reggie Miller

!!!!!!!!!!

If we pass up that kind of talent for the sake of a commitment to DD... I'm showing up at Raptors HQ with a baseball bat and an extremely poor attitude.

Honestly if he has that kind of scoring ability and Reggie's freakish length why aren't we all over that. I know the knock against Reggie was his lack of muscle, but that wingspan made up for it it spades. He had a near-HOF career.

[Marvin!]

As Marlo posted before...

Tim (Toronto)

Chad, you haven't answered a Raptors question all year. Have you decided to have mercy on yourself and stop watching the poor saps? Either way, wouldn't Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes or MKG look pretty perfect from a Toronto perspective?

Chad Ford (1:46 PM)

Yes. I think they'd still take Anthony Davis one if they got the pick and figure out how to play him, Jonas Valanciunas and Andrea Bargnani together. But if they don't get No. 1 -- they'll have a tough choice between Harrison Barnes and MKG. Barnes is a much better offensive player, MKG brings all the intangibles.

I'm not sure why Ford seems so convinced that Barnes and MKG are in a different class than Lamb. I don't see it that way.

It would appear that most Scouts/GMs agree with Ford at this point

[Marlo Stanfield]

Are we basically looking at Barnes being Danny Granger and MKG being Iggy? This team needs Iggy more than Granger. What's the best comparison on Lamb? Brandon Roy?

Roy>Iggy>Granger

Btw, Hoopshype and NBAdraft.net have Lamb compared to Reggie Miller

!!!!!!!!!!

If we pass up that kind of talent for the sake of a commitment to DD... I'm showing up at Raptors HQ with a baseball bat and an extremely poor attitude.

Honestly if he has that kind of scoring ability and Reggie's freakish length why aren't we all over that. I know the knock against Reggie was his lack of muscle, but that wingspan made up for it it spades. He had a near-HOF career.

The thing that made Reggie a HOFer was his not give a F**K attitude. The guy would talk trash, play dirty, just absolutely piss you off ....and then hit the game winner in your face. Whereas Jeremy Lamb is the laid back, smooth criminal type.

[nahom1319]

Are we basically looking at Barnes being Danny Granger and MKG being Iggy? This team needs Iggy more than Granger. What's the best comparison on Lamb? Brandon Roy?

Roy>Iggy>Granger

Btw, Hoopshype and NBAdraft.net have Lamb compared to Reggie Miller

I've heard people call him a sg version of durant....

[Marlo Stanfield]

Are we basically looking at Barnes being Danny Granger and MKG being Iggy? This team needs Iggy more than Granger. What's the best comparison on Lamb? Brandon Roy?

Roy>Iggy>Granger

Btw, Hoopshype and NBAdraft.net have Lamb compared to Reggie Miller

I've heard people call him a sg version of durant....

It smells crazy, it tastes crazy and it looks crazy... but brother, IT AIN'T CRAZY! I'm not saying he'll be the next Kevin Durant (because I'd be stupid), but the comparison of their games is not as far-fetched as it would seem.

[Sydeflyp]

Everyone clowns on steely on this board.... Yea he says some stuff that isn't the most popular, but at least he forms his own opinions. I feel like if PJ3 was on the mock drafts going first you would all be wishing for him, or if he shot up to first tomorrow, the tune would change on this board. The point is that we aren't even in march, the mock drafts are fun to look at but don't take them to heart, keep an open mind and don't base everything on hype. Stop posting like your posting fact and post opinions, or are there people on this board that make a living scouting?

[nahom1319]

We clown on him because every weekend we are subjected to 3 posts an hour of PJ3 hype.....okay we get it you like PJ3, fantastic, here's why we don't..... Fredricklove and I disagreed for a long time on prospects as have JamesNaismith and I. After a while though we agree that were not getting anywhere debating this out and agree to discuss something else.

[Greg Stink]

I like the Roy comparison for Lamb better than most, and there is definitely a little TMac there. He can play with and without the ball, he can do whatever you want on offense and the defensive tools are there. The most complete wing IMO.

[Man of Steel]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

[nahom1319]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

Seeing as how Lamb is ranked 12th....no, if he were to go top 5 I would hope that Barnes dropped out of the top 5. But to answer your question, it'd be a tough choice as Bradley Beal would still be on the board. I don't see demar as a long term solution so probably....

[bboyskinnylegs]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

well we could just draft him, if things play out the way these mock drafts are projecting.

If we're moving our pick along with DeMar I'd want to know what kind of established players we could trade for with that package.

[Marlo Stanfield]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

One or the other, not both.

[Man of Steel]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

One or the other, not both.

I think Lamb has the potential to go top 5 but even if he does drop to the 10 range, I don't think DeMar would be enough to get a #10 pick in this draft. And of course as stated before, in that scenario we could just use our own pick on him.

[Marlo Stanfield]

If we are picking in the 8-10 range, would any of you guys trade DeMar and our pick for Lamb?

One or the other, not both.

I think Lamb has the potential to go top 5 but even if he does drop to the 10 range, I don't think DeMar would be enough to get a #10 pick in this draft. And of course as stated before, in that scenario we could just use our own pick on him.

I'd go DeMar and Ed, but I wouldn't include the pick.

[eitanr]

Gotta love that ESPN lotto generator. Interesting to plan out a lineup based on who we draft with a classic IF draft x then do y

First I'd look to deal DeRozan for Mayo and a future Memphis pick (even if its 2015). I just feel Mayo would work well here and can be re-signed in the off-season. I know the Raps could just sign him outright, but I feel it's very worthwhile to at least have the ability to match any salary for him and perserve him for market value.

Next I'd deal Jose Calderon, even on draft day, for Devin Harris

In the off-season, I'd look to sign Chase Budinger as a shooter off the bench

A. Here's my thinking:
If we draft a big - (A. Davis, Drummond, Sullinger, T. Robinson, P. Jones, C. Zeller, M. Leonard, J. Henson, P. Young, T. Zeller With the latter guys it is rarer since we'd take a wing, just throwing their names based on ESPN lotto generator)

Trade Amir Johnson and Linas Kleiza FOR Andre Iguodala
-Why? Philly sheds salary and gets a nice young 5 going forward. Toronto is going to have a slew of youth and will need Iggy's stability on the offensive end to maintain nice flow. He also can generate many assist and work the offense accordingly.
PF J. Sullinger/ A. Bargnani
SF A. Igoduala/ J. Johnson
C J. Valanciunas/ E. Davis
SG OJ Mayo/ C. Budinger
PG D. Harris/ G. Forbes

B. If we draft a wing (Barnes, MKG, Lamb, Beal)
PF A. Bargnani/ E. Davis
SF H. Barnes/ J. Johnson
C J. Valaciunas/ A. Johnson
SG OJ Mayo/ C. Budinger
PG D. Harris/ G. Forbes

After sifting these scenarios, how is option 1 not better?

Another idea is to try and sign Mayo out right (and then deal DeRozan on draft day for another pick to land a backup PG or combo guard via Cleveland, NOH, PHX in the 10 - 15 range and snag Beal, Lamb, Rivers, Marshall or Teague. (Take the above rotation and switch Forbes with rookie)

[Indeed]

I think both Lamb and Beal would be the best fit. I think Beal has more to offer for our lineup as well.

Lamb would be great to defend the 1/2 spot, and able to spread the floor for Jonas and Bargnani.

While I feel Beal can play the point with his passing skill, so maybe he can play along with DeRozan (or Lamb if we some how trade for him).

[Marlo Stanfield]

I have a strong feeling Jeremy Lamb measures out tall enough to be a small forward in the NBA. I'm thinking anywhere between 6'7"-6'9", this guy does not look 6'5" to me.

He and Brad Beal are both projected to go low for whatever reason, as opposed to what their packages of talent tells us. Possibly getting both of them as our future wings would be a dream scenario. Two guys who can arguably do it all in a wing dominated league? Yes please!

[Big Shot]

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