Al east showdown: position rankings

Kaizen · Post #1 » by **Kaizen** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:27 am

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/ ... n-rankings

Jays come in 4th place.

g_greg · Post #2 » by **g_greg** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:43 am

CZAR85 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20265/al-east-showdown-position-rankings

Jays come in 4th place.

They are only 2 points back from 3rd place. I agree with the ranking even if I don't agree with all the player rankings... 3rd or 4th this year sounds about right.

Post #3 » by **OldNo7** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:39 am

4th place will always sound right.

Homer Jay · Post #4 » by **Homer Jay** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:19 pm

We're closer to the Sox than you would think judging by the names and money they have invested. If they sign Jackson they start to pull away. We could have a chance at third here if that rotation holds up. If Lawrie continues at close to that pace, Rasmus rebounds, and one of Thames or Snider breaks out we could sniff second, but alas second in the East isn't the automatic WC spot like it once was. The loser of Angel/Rangers and Tigers/Indians could be in it as well.

Myth111 · Post #5 » by **Myth111** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:36 pm

Catcher - 3rd
1st base - 4th
2nd base - 4th
3rd base - 3rd
SS - 1st!
LF - 4th - He has Thames as our starter and Francisco as RH platoon.
CF - 5th - Hopefully Rasmus can prove him wrong
RF - 1st!
DH - 2nd - Edwin
#1 Starter - 3rd - Romero
#2 Starter - 4th - Morrow
#3 Starter - 5th - Cecil
#4 Starter - 4th - Alvarez
#5 Starter - 3rd - McGowan
Closer - 2nd - Thinks highly of Santos
Bullpen - 2nd
Intangibles - 3rd

Final Tally
1st - Yankees - 64 points
2nd - Rays - 53 points
3rd - Red Sox - 48 points
4th - Jays - 46 points
5th - O's - 29 points

damadmonk · Post #6 » by **damadmonk** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:30 pm

Bullpen
1. Yankees -- David Robertson, Rafael Soriano, Boone Logan, Cory Wade, Freddy Garcia
2. Blue Jays -- Casey Janssen, Darren Oliver, Jason Frasor, Jesse Litsch, Carlos Villanueva

Doesn't the signing of Cordero give us the best bullpen in the east? Cordero replacing Litsch should be added and this article should be edited...

Add another pt. to good guys...

Kaizen · Post #7 » by **Kaizen** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:06 pm

Some posters on here think litsch is better than Cordero.

Skin Blues · Post #8 » by **Skin Blues** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:32 pm

damadmonk wrote:
Bullpen
1. Yankees -- David Robertson, Rafael Soriano, Boone Logan, Cory Wade, Freddy Garcia
2. Blue Jays -- Casey Janssen, Darren Oliver, Jason Frasor, Jesse Litsch, Carlos Villanueva

Doesn't the signing of Cordero give us the best bullpen in the east? Cordero replacing Litsch should be added and this article should be edited...

Add another pt. to good guys...

Second best maybe. The Yankees bullpen is still a lot better, though. Rivera, Robertson, and Soriano are all better than anybody we have. Bullpen importance pales in comparison to starting pitching and hitting, anyway. So we're second place in the least important facet... woohoo!

Lateral Quicks · Post #9 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:41 pm

That Rays' starting staff does look pretty fantastic, but like last year their offense is suspect. If our starting pitching is solid all year I'd say we're better... but only by a bit.

Randle McMurphy · Post #10 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:52 pm

CZAR85 wrote:Some posters on here think litsch is better than Cordero.

That might be because based on last year's relief numbers he is.

Cordero really adds no value to this team.

BobbyBoy · Post #11 » by **BobbyBoy** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:14 pm

I hope the rangers sign Oswalt, so harrison becomes available. Harrison would be a great addition to this rotation, and IMO would add like 2-3 more points. Plus with our prospects maybe we can get Ogando or Holland. would you do this if you were both teams.

BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

Griff83 · Post #12 » by **Griff83** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:26 pm

BobbyBoy wrote:I hope the rangers sign Oswalt, so harrison becomes available. Harrison would be a great addition to this rotation, and IMO would add like 2-3 more points. Plus with our prospects maybe we can get Ogando or Holland. would you do this if you were both teams.

BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

Are you effing insane?

Im not sure I would even give up Syndergaard alone for Holland. Gose, Syndegaard, Mcguire and Hech? That package is almost better then what the Phillies gave up for Halladay.

Sifu · Post #13 » by **Sifu** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:22 am

BobbyBoy wrote:I hope the rangers sign Oswalt, so harrison becomes available. Harrison would be a great addition to this rotation, and IMO would add like 2-3 more points. Plus with our prospects maybe we can get Ogando or Holland. would you do this if you were both teams.

BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

This is totally lopsided for the Jays and would only serve to enhance AA's godlike image amongst GMs. No other GM would be willing to trade with him for fear of being ripped off. Jays would have to throw in at least a D'Arnaud and Lawrie to the above package to make it credible. And only barely.

Post #14 » by **OldNo7** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:49 am

BobbyBoy wrote:
BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

/poster credibility

Relentless88 · Post #15 » by **Relentless88** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:11 pm

BobbyBoy wrote:I hope the rangers sign Oswalt, so harrison becomes available. Harrison would be a great addition to this rotation, and IMO would add like 2-3 more points. Plus with our prospects maybe we can get Ogando or Holland. would you do this if you were both teams.

BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

Wow you're an....

That's the kind of package you offer to an ace, not freakin Derek Holland.

BobbyBoy · Post #16 » by **BobbyBoy** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:16 pm

Relentless88 wrote:
BobbyBoy wrote:I hope the rangers sign Oswalt, so harrison becomes available. Harrison would be a great addition to this rotation, and IMO would add like 2-3 more points. Plus with our prospects maybe we can get Ogando or Holland. would you do this if you were both teams.

BLUEJAYS: Holland

RANGERS: hecvarria, Sydenngard, Gose, McGuire. Maybe Drabek. Sorry for spelling.

Wow you're an....

That's the kind of package you offer to an ace, not freakin Derek Holland.

The prospects are great but listen to this. With Hech we already have Escobar and it doesnt look like they are going to move him or escobar to second. With Gose we already have rasmus and Marsinick. Sydenngard is good but with holland in our rotation it would be like Romero,Holland,Morrow,Alvarez,Cecil/McGowan/Drabek (if not traded in the deal). Drabek hasn't done well, so it doesn't really hurt that much to lose him. IMO, we are really only losing McGuire. They are all great talents, but so is holland.

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #17 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:35 pm

Who had one good season, if that. Who also threw what, 70+ innings more than his 2010 season? Are you nuts?

BobbyBoy · Post #18 » by **BobbyBoy** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 12:08 am

LBJSeizedMyID wrote:Who had one good season, if that. Who also threw what, 70+ innings more than his 2010 season? Are you nuts?

Can you tell me what all those guys did in the majors? Holland has proven something at the MLB level. Those guys haven't. Just because they are great in the minors does not mean that they are going to translate. I do know that they can, and if they do they are going to be great ball players, but what I'm saying is if AA thinks Escobar is going to be our future shortstop and AA has stated they don't wanna move hech or Escobar to 2nd, so why have that log jam? It's the same situation with the rest if those players, with the exception of Deck.

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #19 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 1:36 am

So we've just built up our farm system, and traded a majority of them away for...Derek Holland. All because they won't make the club anyway?

Sifu · Post #20 » by **Sifu** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:05 am

BobbyBoy wrote:
LBJSeizedMyID wrote:Who had one good season, if that. Who also threw what, 70+ innings more than his 2010 season? Are you nuts?

Can you tell me what all those guys did in the majors? Holland has proven something at the MLB level. Those guys haven't. Just because they are great in the minors does not mean that they are going to translate. I do know that they can, and if they do they are going to be great ball players, but what I'm saying is if AA thinks Escobar is going to be our future shortstop and AA has stated they don't wanna move hech or Escobar to 2nd, so why have that log jam? It's the same situation with the rest if those players, with the exception of Deck.

It's all about opportunity cost. To offer all that for Holland is a bad trade because you have to figure, what else can I get with those players?

Think of it this way, you have some money. You'd like to buy a car, so you buy a Civic. But for the same money you could have bought a nice Porsche. All things considered, you probably wanted the Porsche. So, why would you spend your money for the Civic?

Same thing here. You're overpaying for a nice pitcher. Sure you get a solid asset back, but for the same price you could probably get Felix Hernandez...