Game #24: Orlando Magic(14-9) @ Indiana Pacers(16-6)

[mhectorgato]

Ish Smith=The difference maker?

He only played 6 minutes because of our stupid coach.... he gave him no chance to turn the bad start around. meanwhile, Turk gets 8 turnovers and stays in the game lol. fail.

Hedo has the history to justify him staying in the game. He did pull through unfortunately as he's done before.

The same can't be said about Ish, afterall how could he - he's been with the team for only what ... 3 days ... now?

[The Real Dalic]

Ish Smith=The difference maker?

He only played 6 minutes because of our stupid coach.... he gave him no chance to turn the bad start around. meanwhile, Turk gets 8 turnovers and stays in the game lol. fail.

Hedo has the history to justify him staying in the game. He did pull through unfortunately as he's done before.

The same can't be said about Ish, afterall how could he - he's been with the team for only what ... 3 days ... now?

Yes, but, he needs to change it up when it's not working. he's so afraid of change, he needs to adjust. if Wafer is playing well than he needs to be in the game, same with JRich, and JJ, and, everyone else on the team.

[EasternMagic]

Ish Smith=The difference maker?

He only played 6 minutes because of our stupid coach.... he gave him no chance to turn the bad start around. meanwhile, Turk gets 8 turnovers and stays in the game lol. fail.

He played pretty bad in those 6 minutes.... Duhon actually controlled the ball decently tonight.. Shot awful but he played better than Ish.. Not to put down Ish, he's had a longer the normal 72 hours and he doesn't know the offense very well (which is still obvious) I wouldn't have played him that much either.

[The Real Dalic]

Ish Smith=The difference maker?

He only played 6 minutes because of our stupid coach.... he gave him no chance to turn the bad start around. meanwhile, Turk gets 8 turnovers and stays in the game lol. fail.

He played pretty bad in those 6 minutes.... Duhon actually controlled the ball decently tonight.. Shot awful but he played better than Ish.. Not to put down Ish, he's had a longer the normal 72 hours and he doesn't know the offense very well (which is still obvious) I wouldn't have played him that much either.

6 Minutes is not enough to dictate how well he would do the rest of the game though.

[eyriq]

Keep Dwight post trade-deadline and let's see what this team can do. Chemistry should get better once that drama is behind us.

[SolidSnake008]

I know it's only been like 3 days since he's been on the roster but the way Stan had Ish playing out there reminds me of why i don't like our "system".....Stan has said for years that our "system" is created to maximize our strengths....I haven't bought into that for years now....my stance is why do players have to come here and fit into the "system" instead of making the "system" work for them?

How many players have come through here during the SVG era got integrated into his "system" and became worse players because of it....Stan has Ish out there running the Point just like Duhon would...When ish was walking the ball up the court it hit me that it wouldn't matter if we had Steve Nash out there we would be the same slow ass team because of the "system" we run....

I'm so sick of our pace/tempo that it has me wishing we ran the D'Antoni suns offense....I still believe that the Run and Gun offense is best for us because everybody remembers that 9 game winning streak last season and we were running and gunning during that stretch and it was beautiful basketball.....

This season we're setting record lows in points and our pace is at snail's right now....Maybe when Dwight is traded things will change on that front

[BadMofoPimp]

Keep Dwight post trade-deadline and let's see what this team can do. Chemistry should get better once that drama is behind us.

I thought I was the only one. Keep Dwight and let the cards fall as they may. I would accept it if he walked away. But, at least give the team a chance to fight.

[BadMofoPimp]

I know it's only been like 3 days since he's been on the roster but the way Stan had Ish playing out there reminds me of why i don't like our "system".....Stan has said for years that our "system" is created to maximize our strengths....I haven't bought into that for years now....my stance is why do players have to come here and fit into the "system" instead of making the "system" work for them?

How many players have come through here during the SVG era got integrated into his "system" and became worst players because of it....Stan has Ish out there running the Point just like Duhon would...When ish was walking the ball up the court it hit me that it wouldn't matter if we had Steve Nash out there we would be the same slow ass team because of the "system" we run....

I'm so sick of our pace/tempo that it has me wishing we ran the D'Antoni suns offense....I still believe that the Run and Gun offense is best for us because everybody remembers that 9 game winning streak last season and we were running and gunning during that stretch and it was beautiful basketball.....

This season we're setting record lows in points and our pace is at snail's right now....Maybe when Dwight is traded things will change on that front

LOL. So true. First game Ish ran the ball up the court. Second game, he walks it up. This is not Ish's fault. Stan is a micro-manager.

[The Real Dalic]

Keep Dwight post trade-deadline and let's see what this team can do. Chemistry should get better once that drama is behind us.

2nd round out imo.

[ADRajX]

I know it's only been like 3 days since he's been on the roster but the way Stan had Ish playing out there reminds me of why i don't like our "system".....Stan has said for years that our "system" is created to maximize our strengths....I haven't bought into that for years now....my stance is why do players have to come here and fit into the "system" instead of making the "system" work for them?

How many players have come through here during the SVG era got integrated into his "system" and became worst players because of it....Stan has Ish out there running the Point just like Duhon would...When ish was walking the ball up the court it hit me that it wouldn't matter if we had Steve Nash out there we would be the same slow ass team because of the "system" we run....

I'm so sick of our pace/tempo that it has me wishing we ran the D'Antoni suns offense....I still believe that the Run and Gun offense is best for us because everybody remembers that 9 game winning streak last season and we were running and gunning during that stretch and it was beautiful basketball.....

This season we're setting record lows in points and our pace is at snail's right now....Maybe when Dwight is traded things will change on that front

LOL. So true. First game Ish ran the ball up the court. Second game, he walks it up. This is not Ish's fault. Stan is a micro-manager.

I like Stan, but that's so true... I sometimes look back to the 9 game win streak we had last year... Gilbert, J-Rich, Earl, etc.. the new guys were playing ball (NO PRACTICE), just running and going in transition/fast breaks... then after that, they learned the system and it slowed down and bogged down heavily the pace of the team's game.

Stan is a great coach... but he has flaws... being stubborn and micro-managing are one of them.

[The Real Dalic]

I know it's only been like 3 days since he's been on the roster but the way Stan had Ish playing out there reminds me of why i don't like our "system".....Stan has said for years that our "system" is created to maximize our strengths....I haven't bought into that for years now....my stance is why do players have to come here and fit into the "system" instead of making the "system" work for them?

How many players have come through here during the SVG era got integrated into his "system" and became worst players because of it....Stan has Ish out there running the Point just like Duhon would...When ish was walking the ball up the court it hit me that it wouldn't matter if we had Steve Nash out there we would be the same slow ass team because of the "system" we run....

I'm so sick of our pace/tempo that it has me wishing we ran the D'Antoni suns offense....I still believe that the Run and Gun offense is best for us because everybody remembers that 9 game winning streak last season and we were running and gunning during that stretch and it was beautiful basketball.....

This season we're setting record lows in points and our pace is at snail's right now....Maybe when Dwight is traded things will change on that front

Which is why i don't understand why people still want him. his defense is the only thing he's good at, other than that he's a bad offensive coach, he's bad at adjusting, he makes terrible rotations, he's just not that great besides his defense which is the best imo.

[SolidSnake008]

I know it's only been like 3 days since he's been on the roster but the way Stan had Ish playing out there reminds me of why i don't like our "system".....Stan has said for years that our "system" is created to maximize our strengths....I haven't bought into that for years now....my stance is why do players have to come here and fit into the "system" instead of making the "system" work for them?

How many players have come through here during the SVG era got integrated into his "system" and became worst players because of it....Stan has Ish out there running the Point just like Duhon would...When ish was walking the ball up the court it hit me that it wouldn't matter if we had Steve Nash out there we would be the same slow ass team because of the "system" we run....

I'm so sick of our pace/tempo that it has me wishing we ran the D'Antoni suns offense....I still believe that the Run and Gun offense is best for us because everybody remembers that 9 game winning streak last season and we were running and gunning during that stretch and it was beautiful basketball.....

This season we're setting record lows in points and our pace is at snail's right now....Maybe when Dwight is traded things will change on that front

LOL. So true. First game Ish ran the ball up the court. Second game, he walks it up. This is not Ish's fault. Stan is a micro-manager.

I like Stan, but that's so true... I sometimes look back to the 9 game win streak we had last year... Gilbert, J-Rich, Earl, etc.. the new guys were playing ball (NO PRACTICE), just running and going in transition/fast breaks... then after that, they learned the system and it slowed down and bogged down heavily the pace of the team's game.

Stan is a great coach... but he has flaws... being stubborn and micro-managing are one of them.

Things could change if we would just run but according to Stan only a few guys want to run which i'm not buying either......According to Nelson stan calls ALL of the plays which i wish he wouldn't...I think about the great coaches....Phil Jackson didn't call every single play....he trusted his PG....Jerry Sloan didn't call every play....he trusted his PG....

It may not be practical but i wish stan would just for 1 game let the PG call the plays and if you have to call a timeout to talk about it call a timeout.....Stan makes these guys too anxious already looking over your shoulder to see the play plus you might get yanked if you make 1 mistake....Stan is a good coach but maybe i'm starting see why Shaq called him the master of panic....Has loyalty and trust issues

[eyriq]

Keep Dwight post trade-deadline and let's see what this team can do. Chemistry should get better once that drama is behind us.

2nd round out imo.

Probably.

But in the balance of trading him vs putting the new CBA to the test, trading him falls short. Trade him and pull in Lopez (top 10 center, if not top 5), Brooks (potential top 10 SG, if not top 5 SG), and Humphries (quality starter), and several years worth of non-lottery picks, PLUS maybe a high lottery pick from Orlando this year if we fall off post Howard, and then likely out of lottery picks from there on out as we are stuck in no mans land, not contending for either a title or a top lottery pick because we are mediocre without a franchise player to build around.

However, say Dwight walks, you have a high lottery pick in '13 (face it, we'll suck), most likely the same in '14, not to mention that the money we'd be paying to Lopez (probably around $12-$13 a year) and Humphries (he wants more than $8 a year) could go into a big free agent signing in '14.

So, do I want a team stuck in the middle of the field built around a costly core of Lopez/Anderson/Humphries and a rookie scale Brooks, above average salaried Redick, and a bunch of non-lottery picks, and maybe another $10-$12 FA singing?

Hanging onto Dwight gives you two other options, both of which are better imo. Best case is we keep Dwight and continue to build around him and contend for a title. Other scenario is we have consecutive lottery bound seasons, most likely really bad ones tbh, so lets say two season of a top 5 pick, plus max contract cap space in '14. Let's call it Top 5 potential franchise player one and two, max contract free agent, Anderson, and JJ.

Trade Dwight scenario: Lopez/Brooks/Anderson/'12 10-16 pick/2nd tier star FA signing in '13 or '14/lots of non-lottery picks

Keep Dwight scenario 1: Dwight/Anderson/new GM please OMFG

Keep Dwight scenario 2: '13 high lottery pick/'14 high lottery pick/'14 max free agent/Anderson