Jan Vesely

[LyricalRico]

Once Vesely is more comfortable in the league, the game will slow down and hopefully he'll develop some confidence and be more aggressive. A decent shot and better rebounding is all he needs to be an effective contributor.

+1

[Dat2U]

Vesely is everything we wanted Jared Jeffries to be. Except he can't shoot or dribble, nor can he rebound. Ha, but neither could Jeffries! But wow, he can fly and boy, no one shows harder on the pick & roll than Vesely.

And let's not forget how willing a passer Ves is. He's such a great glue guy. It's wonderful how aware he is of his limitations and doesn't force anything offensively.

Now if we can only get him to hit the rim on his jump shots. That will be a nice step forward.

If his highlight reels are to be believed Vesely can take it coast to coast - his dribbling seems fine.

I've seen Javale take it coast to coast before.

I've seen Andray take it coast to coast before.

I think even Shaq did it once.

Dribbling alone up the court is very different from trying to use your dribble to create a shot for yourself or someone else in a half-court set. In Vesely's case, it doesn't appear to be a use-able skill.

[no D in Hibachi]

The more I see of Vesely the more I'm puzzled by what he actually contributes to the team. Teams don't even bother defending him. They basically have their 5th defender playing safety on Washington to disrupt lanes. He's 'active' but all other 'active' bigs in NBA history have been pretty good rebounders.

What gives with all the additional playing time? It's like EG fired Flip because Flip wasn't playing EG's guys. Wittman becomes the coach and all of a sudden Vesely gets the spotlight and is put in the starters role. All he's contributed is 3ppg and 4 rebounds over the last 5---and we hate Blatche because?

[llcc25]

it was good seeing Vesely get the start again today so we can really see what we have..once he develops a shot and learns to rebound, sky is the limit for him....lol

[closg00]

it was good seeing Vesely get the start again today so we can really see what we have..once he develops a shot and learns to rebound, sky is the limit for him....lol

You forgot the part about putting 25 pounds on him and turning him into a PF or is it a SF if the shooting coach can work a miracle? ...............

[Illuminaire]

noD,

Ves has the second highest offensive rebounding percentage on the team, though his defensive rebounding percentage is only higher than Lewis and Evans for our forwards. So there's hope there.

He's shown excellent defensive ability for a rookie, and despite his extensive flaws as a scorer, the offense actually scores more per 100 possessions when he's on the floor than when he's off.

I'm not saying he's good, not yet, but there are reasons why he's getting playing time.

[llcc25]

it was good seeing Vesely get the start again today so we can really see what we have..once he develops a shot and learns to rebound, sky is the limit for him....lol

You forgot the part about putting 25 pounds on him and turning him into a PF or is it a SF if the shooting coach can work a miracle? ...............

while we're at it why not turn him into a C. He is 6'11. He can be a more athletic Joakim Noah. i'd take that..

[closg00]

This thread was hot for a while, what happened?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

On draft night Jan Vesely and his GF heated things up.




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"Some people are just luckier than other people."

[closg00]

That might be Jan Vesely's happiest memory as a Wizard.^^

[Ruzious]

So he's either sucking face or sucking on the court - either way...

There's some potential there, but the guy has to stay on the court and stop fouling. Weren't fundamentals - other than shooting - supposed to be his strong suit. How many forwards are there at any level of competition - where you wonder if the guys going to even hit the rim on his free throws? Over the summer, lock him in the gym 24/7 and make him work on shooting and lifting, and he can suck on protein shakes.

[FAH1223]

June 23rd, 2011

Bust

Despite the positives, too many negatives. Yup, gotta go with my first instinct.

[closg00]

The Rising Stars selections has been made for the Allstar game. Familiar pre-draft picks on our board.

Kyrie Irving
Ricky Rubio - Check (Grunfeld trade)
Marshon Brooks - Check
Brandon Knight - Check
Kawhi Leonard - Check
Markieff Morris - Check
Tristan Thompson
Kemba Walker - Check
Derrick Williams

[Dat2U]

Personally I don't think Brandon Knight or Markieff Morris (fast start but tailed off significantly) have played particularly well.

But Vesely has been downright ghastly. He's failed to even reach my lowest expectations for him.

[queridiculo]

Not meaning to throw JV under the bus, but it was clear from the outset that the kid was so incredibly raw that he wasn't going to contribute much for perhaps his first two NBA seasons.

Brooks, Leonard, Williams, Walker, Knight, Thompson and Morris are all guys that had incredible traction on our draft board.

Nobody wanted Vesely, and who do we end up with...

Any of the posters that frequented the draft thread could have done a better job than EG. That's quite the indictment as far as I'm concerned.

[queridiculo]

So he's either sucking face or sucking on the court - either way...

There's some potential there, but the guy has to stay on the court and stop fouling. Weren't fundamentals - other than shooting - supposed to be his strong suit. How many forwards are there at any level of competition - where you wonder if the guys going to even hit the rim on his free throws? Over the summer, lock him in the gym 24/7 and make him work on shooting and lifting, and he can suck on protein shakes.

When has anybody with such a poor shot or free throw percentage ever really improved?

It doesn't appear to happen all that often, and the only reason I'm hopeful in Wall's case is that he appears to have a pretty nice stroke from the charity stripe.

Vesely may turn out to be a decent pro, but he was the absolute worst case scenario pick for our franchise.

What boggles my mind in particular is that we didn't end up with Brooks. If the front office was so clearly unconvinced that Young is a building block, why did they not at least attempt to bring in some competition and a potential replacement?

[Ed Wood]

You could make the argument that this draft was the result of Ernie being a little too cognizant of his detractors and of the very real possibility that he'd have to face what had been percieved as his major flaws. The franchise had been so awful defensively, and worse in the court of public opinion than in (the nevertheless bad) reality and the loudest condemnation of his tenure had been a lack of interest in assembling a solid defensive team.

So he, as I think some here would say is characteristic of him, allowed himself to be overly omnifocused on a single issue and selected the two players who would unquestionably be considered "defense first" or even "defense only" picks so it could not be said of him that he didn't care about defense. Myself my biggest issue has long been that I feel there is an enormous amount of knowledge to be gleaned via statistical analysis of the game and I don't think Grunfeld is especially interested in doing so.

Anyway Vesely isn't any good and while it's imprudent to be so premature I'm totally onboard to see if he can't be unloaded while there's someone who's been asleep at the wheel. Charlotte used to be my go-to for that sort of thing but I think Rich Cho has some idea what he's doing so I'm going to go ahead and say I'd be on the phone with Toronto, Detroit and maybe New Orleans, but I'm not particular.

[pancakes3]

i shudder to think that they thought they had that piece in crawford.

[fishercob]

I went back and re-read the first 20 or so pages of this thread. Fascinating stuff.

[closg00]

You could make the argument that this draft was the result of Ernie being a little too cognizant of his detractors and of the very real possibility that he'd have to face what had been percieved as his major flaws. The franchise had been so awful defensively, and worse in the court of public opinion than in (the nevertheless bad) reality and the loudest condemnation of his tenure had been a lack of interest in assembling a solid defensive team.

So he, as I think some here would say is characteristic of him, allowed himself to be overly omnifocused on a single issue and selected the two players who would unquestionably be considered "defense first" or even "defense only" picks so it could not be said of him that he didn't care about defense. Myself my biggest issue has long been that I feel there is an enormous amount of knowledge to be gleaned via statistical analysis of the game and I don't think Grunfeld is especially interested in doing so.

Anyway Vesely isn't any good and while it's imprudent to be so premature I'm totally onboard to see if he can't be unloaded while there's someone who's been asleep at the wheel. Charlotte used to be my go-to for that sort of thing but I think Rich Cho has some idea what he's doing so I'm going to go ahead and say I'd be on the phone with Toronto, Detroit and maybe New Orleans, but I'm not particular.

Ernie over-compensated for years of bad defensive teams. The irony is that teams are still routinely scoring in triple figures against us and it looks like we are giving-up the most 3-pointers again.