Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

EsPn rumors says that wizards and Charlotte are working a trade for blatche and tyrus Thomas....

For whatever reason, that Blatche trade doesn't excite me at all.

[llcc25]

Nic Batum showing himself to be a potential big-time RFA with a career day - 9 3's off the bench in under 25 minutes. He has expressed that minutes are a concern of his. And Jamal Crawford gets more minutes off the bench than he does. When someone suggested a trade of McGee for Batum before, I poopoo'd it - because of Batum's upcoming free agency. I was wrong (Did I say that?) to write it off. Portly's going to match - if for no other reason than to do a sign and trade. At some point soon, Marcus Camby's going to be eligible for Social Security, and Greg Oden - who looks older - will be on his 25th season of saying wait till next season - so Portly could use a young center to groom behind the Cambyman.

That McGee for Batum trade proposal was me several weeks ago. I had the foresight to see back then that McGee wasn't the answer for us long term, especially at what it was going to take to keep him ($10m/yr). If anything, mcgee's trade value And what he's worth is going down with each game he plays so we really need to move him now for whatever we can get.

[dangermouse]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

[Ruzious]

Nic Batum showing himself to be a potential big-time RFA with a career day - 9 3's off the bench in under 25 minutes. He has expressed that minutes are a concern of his. And Jamal Crawford gets more minutes off the bench than he does. When someone suggested a trade of McGee for Batum before, I poopoo'd it - because of Batum's upcoming free agency. I was wrong (Did I say that?) to write it off. Portly's going to match - if for no other reason than to do a sign and trade. At some point soon, Marcus Camby's going to be eligible for Social Security, and Greg Oden - who looks older - will be on his 25th season of saying wait till next season - so Portly could use a young center to groom behind the Cambyman.

That McGee for Batum trade proposal was me several weeks ago. I had the foresight to see back then that McGee wasn't the answer for us long term, especially at what it was going to take to keep him ($10m/yr). If anything, mcgee's trade value And what he's worth is going down with each game he plays so we really need to move him now for whatever we can get.

My apologies. You had a good thought.

Actually, I was being unrealistically greedy - figuring we could get Batum for free - moreso than thinking Javale was part of the Wiz' future. Now I see there's no way Portly just lets Batum go for nothing. The guy is shooting well over 40% from 3 land, and when he's motivated - he's a defensive stopper on the wing.

[Ruzious]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

The strange thing to me is that Minny seems to think Williams is strictly a 4. Otherwise, they'd be starting him over Wes Johnson.

[nate33]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

I like Batum, but I don't like him for the $9M or so a year he's going to ask on his new contract. I'd much rather trade McGee for a pick or a rookie contract and then go sign Wilson Chandler.

[nate33]

I think the best option might be to trade McGee and Vesely for the highest pick or picks we can get, hopefully combining them is some way for a pick in the 8-12 range. Then amnesty Lewis. Let everyone else go except Wall, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin. (Blatche is kept but is not allowed to join the team in training camp until he gets his body fat index below 10% and can squat 350 pounds. Either that or we trade him for somebody like Ben Gordon.)

Then use our $31M in cap room to buy the best veteran team we can buy, even if we have to overpay everyone. Let's say we acquire Rudy Fernandez, Wilson Chandler and Robin Lopez, plus maybe a few over-the-hill character guys like Antonio McDyess. Put them alongside Booker, Seraphin and Wall, and then draft good players at #3 and #9.

If all goes well, our team next year looks something like this:

PG Wall/Gordon
SG Fernandez/Gordon
SF Kidd-Gilchrist/Chandler/Singleton
PF Booker/McDyess/Henson
C Lopez/John Henson/Seraphin

Obviously, we'd be better off landing the top pick, but I'm trying to be as realistic as possible. This team needs to be completely gutted and all weak-minded knuckleheads replaced.

[Ruzious]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

I like Batum, but I don't like him for the $9M or so a year he's going to ask on his new contract. I'd much rather trade McGee for a pick or a rookie contract and then go sign Wilson Chandler.

Does Chandler have the ability that Batum does?

[nate33]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

I like Batum, but I don't like him for the $9M or so a year he's going to ask on his new contract. I'd much rather trade McGee for a pick or a rookie contract and then go sign Wilson Chandler.

Does Chandler have the ability that Batum does?

Close enough. Batum is probably slightly better, but the difference isn't as big as their likely difference in price. And we don't give up McGee as a trade asset in the process.

[mhd]

Honestly, a McGee+Turiaf+Vessley for Emeka+Minny pick is a good deal both sides IMO. Hornets save a bit of money, get McGee to be a young center, and get Vessley as future trade bait, glue guy. Wiz get a pick in the 10-16 range and Emeka to be a rock center next to the young big they take (Davis, Drummond, Robinson, Moultrie).

[mhd]

I'd target Chase Buddinger as a cheap athletic wing who can shoot. I wonder what Houston would want though.

[Ruzious]

I think the best option might be to trade McGee and Vesely for the highest pick or picks we can get, hopefully combining them is some way for a pick in the 8-12 range. Then amnesty Lewis. Let everyone else go except Wall, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin. (Blatche is kept but is not allowed to join the team in training camp until he gets his body fat index below 10% and can squat 350 pounds. Either that or we trade him for somebody like Ben Gordon.)

Then use our $31M in cap room to buy the best veteran team we can buy, even if we have to overpay everyone. Let's say we acquire Rudy Fernandez, Wilson Chandler and Robin Lopez, plus maybe a few over-the-hill character guys like Antonio McDyess. Put them alongside Booker, Seraphin and Wall, and then draft good players at #3 and #9.

If all goes well, our team next year looks something like this:

PG Wall/Gordon
SG Fernandez/Gordon
SF Kidd-Gilchrist/Chandler/Singleton
PF Booker/McDyess/Henson
C Lopez/John Henson/Seraphin

Obviously, we'd be better off landing the top pick, but I'm trying to be as realistic as possible. This team needs to be completely gutted and all weak-minded knuckleheads replaced.

I appreciate the being realistic part - not many people do that. But Robin Lopez at center isn't going work - I question whether or not he's even a decent backup. Henson doesn't have the bulk to help there. With Wall and Gilchrist, you need a couple of jump shooters in the starting lineup. Both are really good, but neither is a good shooter. You almost have to get a PF like Anderson to go with those 2. I like the Rudy pick-up.

[jivelikenice]

I'd do McGee for Batum, he would help this team.

I'd also do McGee for Derrick Williams if MIN wanted to go there again.

The strange thing to me is that Minny seems to think Williams is strictly a 4. Otherwise, they'd be starting him over Wes Johnson.

All the more reason he should be available. He wasn't a raw prospect coming out. he should be able to contribute now and is getting little run up there. Khan was anything but excited when they got the 2nd pick. We need to find out what the price tag would be along with Mcgee.

[llcc25]

I think the best option might be to trade McGee and Vesely for the highest pick or picks we can get, hopefully combining them is some way for a pick in the 8-12 range. Then amnesty Lewis. Let everyone else go except Wall, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin. (Blatche is kept but is not allowed to join the team in training camp until he gets his body fat index below 10% and can squat 350 pounds. Either that or we trade him for somebody like Ben Gordon.)

Then use our $31M in cap room to buy the best veteran team we can buy, even if we have to overpay everyone. Let's say we acquire Rudy Fernandez, Wilson Chandler and Robin Lopez, plus maybe a few over-the-hill character guys like Antonio McDyess. Put them alongside Booker, Seraphin and Wall, and then draft good players at #3 and #9.

If all goes well, our team next year looks something like this:

PG Wall/Gordon
SG Fernandez/Gordon
SF Kidd-Gilchrist/Chandler/Singleton
PF Booker/McDyess/Henson
C Lopez/John Henson/Seraphin

Obviously, we'd be better off landing the top pick, but I'm trying to be as realistic as possible. This team needs to be completely gutted and all weak-minded knuckleheads replaced.

Nate, I like your realistic approach, although I'd prefer a slightly different look. I think the following lineup is all very doable via trade and our cap situation. For center, I'd like to pursue Hubert as option 1 and then b lopez as option 2 ( if health checks out ok of course). For Pf, I just don't think booker is gonna cut it as the everyday starte so my preference is sullinger and using FA to get our starting sf ( Batum or chandler). I'd still like to pursue egordon if his injury is no issue and upgrade our backup pg and sg position. Via trade, I'd like to see is we can get another 1st rounder to draft tyler seller. If all goes well our next yr looks like this:
PG Wall/Farmar
SG Gordon/Morrow
SF BAtum/Singleton
PF Sullinger/Booker
C (hibbert/blopez)/seraphim/seller
IMO, this team would, scoring, outside shooting, low post scoring, rebounding, defense, high character, BBiq, and most of all, a playoff team immediately. I can see Wall especially flourishing with this team having shooters on wing and legit low post scoring threats.

[llcc25]

Correction. I meant tyler seller in my last post.

[nate33]

I think the best option might be to trade McGee and Vesely for the highest pick or picks we can get, hopefully combining them is some way for a pick in the 8-12 range. Then amnesty Lewis. Let everyone else go except Wall, Booker, Singleton and Seraphin. (Blatche is kept but is not allowed to join the team in training camp until he gets his body fat index below 10% and can squat 350 pounds. Either that or we trade him for somebody like Ben Gordon.)

Then use our $31M in cap room to buy the best veteran team we can buy, even if we have to overpay everyone. Let's say we acquire Rudy Fernandez, Wilson Chandler and Robin Lopez, plus maybe a few over-the-hill character guys like Antonio McDyess. Put them alongside Booker, Seraphin and Wall, and then draft good players at #3 and #9.

If all goes well, our team next year looks something like this:

PG Wall/Gordon
SG Fernandez/Gordon
SF Kidd-Gilchrist/Chandler/Singleton
PF Booker/McDyess/Henson
C Lopez/John Henson/Seraphin

Obviously, we'd be better off landing the top pick, but I'm trying to be as realistic as possible. This team needs to be completely gutted and all weak-minded knuckleheads replaced.

I appreciate the being realistic part - not many people do that. But Robin Lopez at center isn't going work - I question whether or not he's even a decent backup. Henson doesn't have the bulk to help there. With Wall and Gilchrist, you need a couple of jump shooters in the starting lineup. Both are really good, but neither is a good shooter. You almost have to get a PF like Anderson to go with those 2. I like the Rudy pick-up.

Fair points all. I didn't mean to imply that I would specifically target Chandler, Rudy and Lopez. I was just trying to name some reasonably attainable free agents who were rotation-worthy players. I like Anderson better than those guys if we can get him. My main point was to trade McGee plus Vesely for the highest pick possible. Trade Blatche for the best overpaid vet possible. And then try to go into next year with two high draft picks who project to eventually be starters, plus at least one starting-caliber free agent and one or more backup caliber free agents. Keep Wall and Booker. I don't really care about anybody else.

[Earth2Ted]

i like the first trade mhd, but i dont think the Bucks would bite at all...

then for your second one i looked at cutting out NO.

would HOU go for something like McGee + Janchise for Thabeet and Minny 1st?

They get a good backup for Sam at C.

I think the pick you are talking about (at least according to NBAdraft.net) is the KNicks 1st rounder, not the T-Wolves- but to me this smells like a deal that makes sense for both sides. We're more or less getting a late lottery pick for JaVale (officially it is top 5 protected), and the Rockets would be putting him in the same locker room with Scola and Dalembert, both of whom have improved their games a lot at the NBA level and maybe would be able to teach McGee a thing or two.

Not to mention his head coach would be Kevin McHale and his immensely large sack of low post trickery- just imagine JaVale with even 10% of moves that he had.

[TGW]

Trading Vesely now would be shortsighted and pretty much stupid. He's signed to a cheap rookie deal for the next few years, and no one is going to give up anything of true value for him. Including him in trades is nonsensical IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I agree, TGW. However, I can see trading Singleton right now.

[nate33]

Trading Vesely now would be shortsighted and pretty much stupid. He's signed to a cheap rookie deal for the next few years, and no one is going to give up anything of true value for him. Including him in trades is nonsensical IMO.

It all depends on what is offered in return. If it's true that nobody will offer anything of value, then yeah, sure, it makes no sense to trade him. But if we can use him to move up in the draft somehow, I'd be all for it. I've said all along that I don't see how Vesely and Booker can both play forward on a team featuring John Wall. One of them has to go eventually. Either that, or Vesely needs to put on 30 pounds of muscle so he can play center.