Please explain

[Esohny]

Ellington is fine as a backup SG, nothing more. His stats are worse than Luke The Pariah. I'm fine with keeping him (or trading him) but the team absolutely has to get an NBA-quality starting SG first and foremost. Ellington is the only SG on this team. Webster and Johnson are both SFs and Webster is not at 100% form yet anyway.

Everyone is b****ing about Adeleman's use of Ridnour at SG. Well the cold hard truth is that he doesn't have an option. Ellington is worse, the Johnson at SG experiment failed miserably, Barea is like 4 feet tall, and Webster isn't right yet.

Listen to the Wolfman.

[kmgarnett21]

Ellington has averaged about 18 mins per game, thats about 18 mins too much! (so dont say he has barely played)

What do you have against Ellington? He has been our best 2-guard all year so far. It can't be b/c he's from North Carolina b/c I HATE the Tar Heels.

And I was talking about, he hasn't played much LATELY.

Last night, 7 minutes
Versus Indiana, 6 minutes
Versus Houston, 10 minutes

[Dewey]

Ellington would play more iof he was a better passer. He's not a black hole or anything ... he's just not a good passer for Adelman.

Overall, we have to realize many of our players just are not good enogh to perform consistently. Love and the Rube are the bread & butter, but from there, Adelman is clearly trying to create opportunities by mixing things up ... hoping a player can/will seperate from the pack of mediocracy. Pretty simple.

Rube/Love are cornerstones at this stage
Pekovic is adapting and performing like he has potential to be a mainstay
JJB will likely evolve into the backup PG long-term ... proven gamer and better true PG vs. Ridnour
Williams is skilled/athletic and will adjust ... needs to excel on one or two things short-term.
Millicic, Tolliver, Miller, and Randolph simply need to focus on small roles with high impact.

Then there's the muddy water: Ridnour, Ellington, Webster, Johnson, Beasley ... either inconsistent, pose limitations, tweeners, or some combination of all. The goal is that "two" will prove reliable. I've seen a few times now where Wes is putting the ball on the floor and finishing. I've seen Ellington play some very good defense and hit some critical shots. Webster has often shown some consistency, but I have not seen upside that draws me in. Beas clearly has the tools as we all know, but I'm not confident he will put it together on both ends of the floor to the point I will rely on him every night. For now, this part of our team will remain in a constant state of flux.

[darbstar]

Ok, So after reading everyones comments it is pretty clear that we have two many forwards thats why Randolph, D.Williams and BEas are not getting good minutes and we dont have a SG as Ellington is our only real SG.

So the QUESTION should be changed to :

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE TWOLVES ARE WAITING FOR BEFORE MAKING A TRADE TO GET A STARTING SG and to free up minutes for BEAS or DWILL?????????????

[Gobble]

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE TWOLVES ARE WAITING FOR BEFORE MAKING A TRADE TO GET A STARTING SG and to free up minutes for BEAS or DWILL?????????????

They're being patient because Kahn has a plan, which he thinks is currently working. He's not going make any sacrifice of the team's long-term hopes to slightly improve their odds at the 8th seed. He doesn't want to trade Wes Johnson because even though he's really been struggling, he was better last year, and there's reasons to believe his problems are all in his head, and thus fixable. He's not going to trade Williams because there is no SG available who's worth it from a value standpoint. Anthony Randolph/Wayne Ellington type players can't return you anything substantively better than Ridnour. The whole franchise is 100% resting on Love/Rubio. If they both take a step forward next year (Love from All Star starting quality to top 5 guys in the NBA level, Rubio from near All Star to All Star) they're going to be a contender real soon. No reason to sacrifice flexibility while we wait and see.

[Carpe Diem]

For those who don't understand Adelman's rotations, the problem is not Adelman's rotations but you. Instead of griping about something you lack a professional-level knowledge about, instead seek to understand what he doing. The other problem, is that you/we are not privy to the same information that he has at his disposal. Got to side with the HOF-caliber coach here over the hand-wringing, hindsight-biased Internet poster. Adelman gets paid to make real-time decisions based upon the situation present at that moment, and, quite frankly, his body of work suggests he is damn good at it.

As for the original poster, every time I see questions of this nature I cringe. It is the ESPN-ization of sports. There are nuances, situational match ups, as well as other factors that go into a winning strategy other than stat lines. All coaches have to weigh whether a player's positive attributes outweigh his deficiencies within a given situation, not to mention whether playing a perceived lesser player with a specific skill prevents the other coach from playing their optimal strategy. Game theory 101.

[Saltine]

Adelman also has the schedule to worry about, he knows who is banged up, who needs a rest, who is having issues understanding plays, who is slacking, etc... a lot of which we don't know a damn thing about. I doubt Kahn makes a deal until March, probably shortly before the 15th deadline. Once he has Adelman's conclusions on which players are learning the system and creating a role for themselves, and what his needs are.

Rubio/JJ
Luke/Lee/Ellington
Wes/??
Love/Williams
Pek/Darko

$49,838,457 guaranteed to these ten guys that we will definitely have next season.
That won't cut it for the playoffs. I'm sure Kahn and Adelman are well aware of this.

Tolliver, AR, Beas, Miller, and Webster are all expiring or have tiny guarantees;
MIller is retiring, probably to coach.
Webster needs to earn a new deal from Kahn.
Beas needs to prove he deserves more cash.
Tolliver is probably getting tossed into a trade, and AR is going with him. Maybe the two of them for Morrow
Luke is probably headed to a playoff team that needs a PG. This may be contingent upon Lee coming back and playing well, and us not looking like we are going to make the playoffs...

I hope Webster and Beas prove themselves to Adelman, if not we are going to have some issues next year.

[darbstar]

For those who don't understand Adelman's rotations, the problem is not Adelman's rotations but you. Instead of griping about something you lack a professional-level knowledge about, instead seek to understand what he doing. The other problem, is that you/we are not privy to the same information that he has at his disposal. Got to side with the HOF-caliber coach here over the hand-wringing, hindsight-biased Internet poster. Adelman gets paid to make real-time decisions based upon the situation present at that moment, and, quite frankly, his body of work suggests he is damn good at it
As for the original poster, every time I see questions of this nature I cringe. It is the ESPN-ization of sports. There are nuances, situational match ups, as well as other factors that go into a winning strategy other than stat lines. All coaches have to weigh whether a player's positive attributes outweigh his deficiencies within a given situation, not to mention whether playing a perceived lesser player with a specific skill prevents the other coach from playing their optimal strategy. Game theory 101.

Wow I guess there is no need for these forums then. No need to ask for anyones opinion or discuss anything because we dont get all the insights. I guess that is that then. If you actually read the initial question it was asking others for their opinions not griping about Adelman! Thanks for your expert advice though greatly appreciated.

[NewWolves]

For those who don't understand Adelman's rotations, the problem is not Adelman's rotations but you. Instead of griping about something you lack a professional-level knowledge about, instead seek to understand what he doing. The other problem, is that you/we are not privy to the same information that he has at his disposal. Got to side with the HOF-caliber coach here over the hand-wringing, hindsight-biased Internet poster. Adelman gets paid to make real-time decisions based upon the situation present at that moment, and, quite frankly, his body of work suggests he is damn good at it
As for the original poster, every time I see questions of this nature I cringe. It is the ESPN-ization of sports. There are nuances, situational match ups, as well as other factors that go into a winning strategy other than stat lines. All coaches have to weigh whether a player's positive attributes outweigh his deficiencies within a given situation, not to mention whether playing a perceived lesser player with a specific skill prevents the other coach from playing their optimal strategy. Game theory 101.

Wow I guess there is no need for these forums then. No need to ask for anyones opinion or discuss anything because we dont get all the insights. I guess that is that then. If you actually read the initial question it was asking others for their opinions not griping about Adelman! Thanks for your expert advice though greatly appreciated.

Well, no. You say in your original post that you are frustrated with Adelman rotations, almost questioning his decision-making. And that is fine, you can surely dislike the rotations - but sometimes -most of us tend to discuss this matters thinking we know better than a HOF coach. And that is surely the rare case.

[Carpe Diem]

If you're offended I am sorry. But you wrote, " What is going on, coach please get the minutes right otherwise make some trades. Anyway dont want to be too negative seen as we just won but its frustrating!". Your statement clearly implies that you disagree with a HOF-caliber coach's decisions. I find statements like these foolish for the reasons outlined above.

[AQuintus]

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE TWOLVES ARE WAITING FOR BEFORE MAKING A TRADE TO GET A STARTING SG and to free up minutes for BEAS or DWILL?????????????

1. The trade deadline?

2. Other teams making their SGs available (probably very closely related to 1)?

3. A trade offer that they find palatable?

4. More time with the current roster healthy to see who is a keeper and who isn't?

5. For Beasley or Williams (or whoever) to string together a few really good games to raise their trade value?

There are plenty of reasons for a trade to have not gone through yet.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Adelman doesn't care about Beasley or Randolph or Williams' development. He's solely interested in teaching his system and the guy that knows that system the best today is the guy that will play. It's that "play the right way" line coaches always throw around. Wes will get 10x the benefit of the doubt bricking that corner 3 within the offense than Beasley will breaking the offense and throwing up bricks. Only way Beasley/Randolph get minutes is by taking their shots within the offense. Williams is just too new and hasn't convinced RA he can SF, but I think he's got the mentality to prove himself. Beasley and Randolph are looking like they might be too set in their ways to see the game from a 5 on 5 perspective rather than a 1 on 1 matchup.

[Saltine]

Adelman doesn't care about Beasley or Randolph or Williams' development. He's solely interested in teaching his system and the guy that knows that system the best today is the guy that will play. It's that "play the right way" line coaches always throw around. Wes will get 10x the benefit of the doubt bricking that corner 3 within the offense than Beasley will breaking the offense and throwing up bricks. Only way Beasley/Randolph get minutes is by taking their shots within the offense. Williams is just too new and hasn't convinced RA he can SF, but I think he's got the mentality to prove himself. Beasley and Randolph are looking like they might be too set in their ways to see the game from a 5 on 5 perspective rather than a 1 on 1 matchup.

Yep, he is old school. Which means you earn your minutes. If you have your own ideas about the system, you aren't going to play. No way in hell Adelman gets fired because a player is pissed about their minutes...
If they fit into the system they'll earn more cash when it's contract time, if not they are gone one way or another. We'll know come March when Kahn starts working his phone.