Who wants to help promote Stephen Jackson's club appearance?

[smooth 'lil balla]

By the way, to put in perspective how screwed up things are (and that ultimately resides with Kohl), we do have Michael Redd coming to town tonight to face the Bucks. And no game thread yet.

I'm not asking for someone to rush out and do one. Just pointing out that we'd all much rather talk about real basketball things but the soap opera of our mess just keeps coming with stuff like Jackson's many nightclub appearances.

With a functional franchise, we'd have a 10 page GT by now talking up/down Redd with the other team's fanbase.

You do realize that you're one of the main guys always taking us off point of basketball and making it a soap opera in regards to how Hammond screwed up here, Hammond screwed up there, we should have amnistied this guy, traded for that guy, etc., etc. I don't want to talk about Jackson's night club outing, I don't want to talk about bag night, I don't want to talk about how "dysfunctional" we are. This is your agenda along with a few others and that's why we're stuck in this hole.

[Fight the Tank]

Yep PP needs to change his name to Mr. Hindsight

[LUKE23]

PP is a pot stirrer, but I feel that 90% of the Bucks fanbase is pretty much ambivalent about this team and thinks they way they are building is incorrect. That's why there is zero enthusiasm about the actual games. It's far more fun to discuss hypotheticals than it is to witness the suspense of who we get massacred by between Chicago or Miami. Granted, I can't speak for everyone, but what I just described definitely falls with the majority at this point. There is a reason for that, mind you.

[europa]

I'm not sure if the average Bucks fan cares how the team is built or who's on the roster or how old they are etc. I think they just want to see a consistently good team again.

[Bernman]

Moving down in the draft to acquire Jackson and signing but then not amnestying Gooden when they had the chance were hardly bad decisions in hindsight. A high majority of this board HATED all those decisions at the time.

PP is public enemy #1 to Kohl and his cronies.

[emunney]

Everybody saw the amnesty coming. Both sides wanted it.

[europa]

Everybody saw the amnesty coming. Both sides wanted it.

I think it would've been unwise to plan as if it was going to happen with 100% certainty. Far too many things change in CBA talks to ensure anything was guaranteed to happen. The only thing you could guarantee was there was going to be a lockout. Beyond that, it was anybody's guess how it was all going to turn out - especially when you consider how badly the owners ended up caving on so many (in my opinion) critical system issues.

[emunney]

Yeah, but... both sides wanted it. Why wouldn't it get done? No planning is done with 100% certainty of future events.

[paulpressey25]

This is your agenda along with a few others and that's why we're stuck in this hole.

Smooth, we all want a competitive team here.

But I'm merely a symptom of the disease caused by Kohl and his poor management of the team over the last 25-years. I'm not the cause. I still buy tickets and show up at most games. But all my fan support in the world isn't going to make the team a 50-game winner.

And to be honest, I'm "easy" compared to a lot of posters on here. I don't need tank for 10 straight years hoping we hit on LeBron. Just give me an Indy or Utah type team and I'm very happy.

[europa]

Yeah, but... both sides wanted it. Why wouldn't it get done? No planning is done with 100% certainty of future events.

Agreed but I think it would've been foolish to bank on it. Besides, if they were going to Amnesty someone before this season it should've been Gooden.

[paulpressey25]

Yep PP needs to change his name to Mr. Hindsight

I'll find all the links over the years where a number of people reasonably predicted bad outcomes of decisions this team made. Well before the actual implosions occurred.

Three weeks ago I was all jazzed on trying to dump Bogut on the Hawks for Horford. Was that hindsight?

There are multiple threads out there from Nov 2008 through Jan 2009 where I'm screaming into the thread that the Bucks need to dump Michael Redd for an expiring contract because if his knees keep declining, his contract is too big a salary risk for the team.

I'm not patting myself on the back. All these things were pretty obvious to a number of people here. I wasn't that down on the Stephen Jackson deal at the time, but a ton of people blistered it the night it was made. And they've been proven correct.

I want my GM to be a heck of a lot smarter than me and the people on this board. Unfortunately we never seem to get to that point.

[europa]

I wasn't that down on the Stephen Jackson deal at the time, but a ton of people blistered it the night it was made. And they've been proven correct.

How have they been proven correct about a trade most people agree will need a couple more years before its outcome can effectively be determined?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Everybody saw the amnesty coming. Both sides wanted it.

I think it would've been unwise to plan as if it was going to happen with 100% certainty. Far too many things change in CBA talks to ensure anything was guaranteed to happen. The only thing you could guarantee was there was going to be a lockout. Beyond that, it was anybody's guess how it was all going to turn out - especially when you consider how badly the owners ended up caving on so many (in my opinion) critical system issues.

but it was coming with 100% certainty. you may have not known that, but the owners did. it was unanaimously approved by the owners and the players love it too. amnesty was a given. it was as bankable an issue as there was. it was as bankable as assuming that the shape of the ball wasnt going to change.

[paulpressey25]

I wasn't that down on the Stephen Jackson deal at the time, but a ton of people blistered it the night it was made. And they've been proven correct.

How have they been proven correct about a trade most people agree will need a couple more years before its outcome can effectively be determined?

Agreed that Tobias Harris could make the discussion moot but I'm referring specifically to Jackson. Newz and a few other guys called him worse than Maggette months and months ago before he ever set foot on the court. I couldn't buy into how bad they were describing him. But I think they've been proven correct.

[europa]

Fair enough. I guess if there was anything I learned during this lockout it was many things that were expected to occur and didn't.

That and the owners were a bunch of p*****s.

[europa]

I wasn't that down on the Stephen Jackson deal at the time, but a ton of people blistered it the night it was made. And they've been proven correct.

How have they been proven correct about a trade most people agree will need a couple more years before its outcome can effectively be determined?

Agreed that Tobias Harris could make the discussion moot but I'm referring specifically to Jackson. Newz and a few other guys called him worse than Maggette months and months ago before he ever set foot on the court. I couldn't buy into how bad they were describing him. But I think they've been proven correct.

I don't know if he's been worse than Maggette. I think it's pretty much a wash there. At least Jackson has shown an ability at times to be a creator.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Fair enough. I guess if there was anything I learned during this lockout it was many things that were expected to occur and didn't.

That and the owners were a bunch of p*****s.

there definitely were things that didnt change that we hoped for, but everything that both agreed on did change. amnesty was never a point of contention in this cba or previous ones. everybody loves redos and free cash....lol

[paulpressey25]

Jackson when properly motivated and healthy is a much better player than Maggette. You can win with Jackson.

Somehow though we missed on the due diligence on his health, attitude and how he'd respond to Skiles. I have no issues if people want to bang on Skiles on this deal. I'm assuming he had input into this thing as well.

[europa]

I doubt there's very little Hammond does that doesn't meet with Skiles' blessing on some level. Hammond does not strike me as the type of GM who's going to drop a player on Skiles he doesn't want.

[Rockmaninoff]

Jackson when properly motivated and healthy is a much better player than Maggette. You can win with Jackson.

Somehow though we missed on the due diligence on his health, attitude and how he'd respond to Skiles. I have no issues if people want to bang on Skiles on this deal. I'm assuming he had input into this thing as well.

I thought he'd be alright on the court (wrong), but I said on draft night that the Bucks needed to move Jackson ASAP. It was obvious to me that his personal pride would cause problems with this current incarnation of the Bucks.