Jan Vesely

[Ed Wood]

Ernie over-compensated for years of bad defensive teams. The irony is that teams are still routinely scoring in triple figures against us and it looks like we are giving-up the most 3-pointers again.

Ah, but let it never be said of him that he didn't try to improve the defense. Let it instead be said that he hasn't done his job competently.

[Illuminaire]

I maintain that we won't know what we have with Vesely until after next training camp. However, if we think we can get good value for him now, sure. I see his ceiling as a glue-guy starter or an elite defensive 6th man. That's pretty good, but his floor is also pretty low - a self check who fouls too much.

So... I'm OK giving him a year. I'm also OK selling high on his potential. I just wouldn't trade him to trade him, if you know what I mean.

[no D in Hibachi]

If we had do over id take Iman Shumpart over Vesely. Shumpart is so athletic. He looks dynamic defensively and can get to the cup at will on offense. Not jut against washingtons d, but against most teams i've seen.

[Jay81]

how is it possible that we draft a white european that cant shoot from the outside?

[Dat2U]

If we had do over id take Iman Shumpart over Vesely. Shumpart is so athletic. He looks dynamic defensively and can get to the cup at will on offense. Not jut against washingtons d, but against most teams i've seen.

Well probably the only person I wouldn't take over Vesely right now is Josh Shelby, and he was a 2nd round pick.

But Shumpert is terrible. Has no clue how to run an offense. Has terrible shot selection and can't throw the ball in the ocean. Yes, he's physically talented but the only reason people talk about him is because he was a NY Knick draftee.

But yet, I would still take him over Vesely.

[TGW]

how is it possible that we draft a white european that cant shoot from the outside?

[willbcocks]

Sadly, Singleton has been as bad as Vesley.

[WizarDynasty]

Is a huge disappointment. I expected for thw wizards coaching to develop his small forward skiulls. I haven't seen one play that was designed for vesely to catch and shoot...not one play forcing vesely to shoot a floater from three point line. Not one play designed for vesely to shoot a midrange turn around jumper. Same thing for singleton. This is why wiz are horrible. They don't give their young players offensive plays to expand their game.

Leonsis needs to get rid these coaches.

[DaRealHibachi]

Is a huge disappointment. I expected for thw wizards coaching to develop his small forward skiulls. I haven't seen one play that was designed for vesely to catch and shoot...not one play forcing vesely to shoot a floater from three point line. Not one play designed for vesely to shoot a midrange turn around jumper. Same thing for singleton. This is why wiz are horrible. They don't give their young players offensive plays to expand their game.

Leonsis needs to get rid these coaches.

You do know that Vesely cannot shoot right...???

[Raptor_Claw]

He needs to get stronger. He's been a pro in Europe for a few years, but has he worked with a strength coach? Just looking at American vs. European players, there seems to be a big difference in strength training, so hopefully he gets stronger, if not bulkier, and starts grabbing more boards.

Vesely was strictly used as a SF in the Euroleague. He never ever played as a PF in the Euroleague, because he was not strong enough to do so. His strength was never an issue really in the Euroleague, because he was playing as a SF exclusively.

[Jay81]

Is a huge disappointment. I expected for thw wizards coaching to develop his small forward skiulls. I haven't seen one play that was designed for vesely to catch and shoot...not one play forcing vesely to shoot a floater from three point line. Not one play designed for vesely to shoot a midrange turn around jumper. Same thing for singleton. This is why wiz are horrible. They don't give their young players offensive plays to expand their game.

Leonsis needs to get rid these coaches.

you might as well design a play for McGee then to shoot turn around 3 pointers

[hands11]

Not meaning to throw JV under the bus, but it was clear from the outset that the kid was so incredibly raw that he wasn't going to contribute much for perhaps his first two NBA seasons.

Brooks, Leonard, Williams, Walker, Knight, Thompson and Morris are all guys that had incredible traction on our draft board.

Nobody wanted Vesely, and who do we end up with...

Any of the posters that frequented the draft thread could have done a better job than EG. That's quite the indictment as far as I'm concerned.

But the pick makes sense if you planned on tanking another year because you wouldnt want a player ready to do it this year. Personally, I think that is a terrible strategy. I would never forgo a quality player who is ready now for a player that might be ready in two years. Only time I would do that is if I already had all my starters. Then I might take a flier on a player. And this team clearly needed outside shooting and they didnt add one player who could do that. Only thing they did was add Mason and they is hardly addressing the issue.

I say draft players with known skills who can start if you need starters. Those should include an in depth mental/personality profile.

Had I known about the Pam McGee situation, I would never have drafted JaVale. The kid is from a broken home and his mother used to punk him as a kid and his step dad had him in diapers when he was 6. And now his mother is still actively involved feeding his head. You dont want to deal with a messed up head. I would make these guys take an IQ test. I only want smart mature players. That is the culture change this team needs. Not just new athletes.

My pre draft list was

Nikola Vucevic - A center to replace McGee. Solid hard working non knuckhead
M Morris Tobias
Brooks - Perfect Nick replacement
Harper - Targeted as a Lewis replacement
kyle singler

I thought Brook was going to go up the pre draft chart father then he did.

Had they gotten Nik, Brooks and Harper, they still wouldn't have a good enough record to not get another high pick, but they would have players in place to get rid of Nick, McGee and Lewis if needed. And they would have added the shooting they need. Then you bring in a vet PG Thats is what i wanted to see.

That said, I think Ves will be good. Brooks was the one I was more pissed off about. It was a no brainer as insurance for Nick. The kid has the same skill set only a better mind and a rookie contract.

[closg00]

Personally I don't think Brandon Knight or Markieff Morris (fast start but tailed off significantly) have played particularly well.

But Vesely has been downright ghastly. He's failed to even reach my lowest expectations for him.

What don't you like about the young Knights game right now? He appears to be playing well . Detroit considers him a core piece.

Looking forward to checking him out tomorrow.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_k ... stats.html

[llcc25]

Personally I don't think Brandon Knight or Markieff Morris (fast start but tailed off significantly) have played particularly well.

But Vesely has been downright ghastly. He's failed to even reach my lowest expectations for him.

What don't you like about the young Knights game right now? He appears to be playing well . Detroit considers him a core piece.

Looking forward to checking him out tomorrow.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brandon_k ... stats.html

Knight has been arguably the 2nd best PG out of his draft. He would've been great backing up Wall and given his size, playing alongside Wall in spurts. If anything, he would've been a great asset to trade this offseason given the lack of a blue chip PG in draft. I would think he would've returned a pick in the 5-10 range at worst. Vesely, at this point, I"m not sure we can trade him for anything more than a late first if that.

[hands11]

I know a lot of people are down on Ves right now but I really like a lot of the little things he does on D.

He uses the elbow, then switched to using his body. He has active hands. He plays the lanes. He is active. He gets out on the pick and roll, etc. He has good length. And I fully expect him to get stronger as time goes on. I see a lot in his defensive fundamentals that look developed beyond his rookie status. That is the good news.

The kid is raw but I see stuff there that leads me to believe he will continue to develop a game defensively where he ends up being a very good defender. What he is missing is anything that looks like an offensive game. It is going to take an off season to see what he can develop there.

He passes the eye test as a non bust as a ball player. I don't think he can be properly judged until we gets a summer to work on his offensive game. I don't think we will ever see him playing any SF. He will continue to gain weight and strength and be used at PF and Center.

My main concern is similar to others. Will he be able to add the offense he needs to add. Since I haven't seen anything that looks like a shooting touch, form or even a pet move, that is a huge question. Because of that, it is really hard to gauge what he will ultimately become. There is really nothing to go on. The kid needs to start taking shots or he is never going to develop that part of his game. In this aspect, I have to agree with WizD. They have to run some plays for him. Not a lot but at least some. He needs to shoot at least as much as Singleton. Because if he develops no offensive game, there is no reason to take him at #6 unless he becomes a outstanding defensive center.

I think he will stick around in the league for a while and become a solid player. He has a role defensively. He is clearly a basketball player. But it was probably not the right move to go for another project type player when this team has so many holes. It is a huge risk that if it doesn't pan out would be a wasted opportunity. Oddly enough, considering he was a SF, his best position at this point is defensive center/PF.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah. My hope is that he can put on a lot of muscle over the next two seasons. If he does that and works on his game, he could be a really interesting 4/5 backup... even a starter if he develops any kind of shot.

Right now he's a bad basketball player. Whether he was a bad pick has yet to be seen, though it could go either way.

[hands11]

Yeah. My hope is that he can put on a lot of muscle over the next two seasons. If he does that and works on his game, he could be a really interesting 4/5 backup... even a starter if he develops any kind of shot.

Right now he's a bad basketball player. Whether he was a bad pick has yet to be seen, though it could go either way.

Maybe a matter of semantics but I say he is a good basketball player who is inexperienced and lacks an offensive game. Since I look at personality and motor a lot as my first bar, I think he passes that test. Then add he is long, athletic, has a feel for the game and good defensive fundamentals considering his age. That is a lot of good stuff. It really just come down to the offensive side of his game. It is a huge question mark and having seen so little from him via shooting or moves, it is hard to gauge what the potential is or what he needs to fix.

[Illuminaire]

We mean about the same thing, we're just saying it differently. I mean that as a whole, his impact as a player is bad right now because he can do so very little offensively, and he isn't strong enough to rebound well.

If one of those changes, he becomes at least a neutral impact and a bench player. If both change, he's a definite positive impact and a legit starter.

[mhd]

I think the Wiz must trade Vessley. Booker is flat out better and is improving at such a rapid pace. He's the perfect backup PF. Lets say we sign Ryan Anderson as a FA and draft Anthony Davis/Drummond as the backup center/future starting center. Vessley has no place on the team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Vesely is potentially a good wing defender. He might be a decent open shooter in time.