The Vent Line Pt. 2

[WD]

The Vent Line 2 - I did this last year, it's purpose is to have a place where you can vent about anything Miami Heat. Mods, do what you gotta do.

talk about dejavu - this is what I wrote a little over a year ago -

by WD on Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:22 am

1. This organization has a “one voice” mentally, there is nothing wrong with that, until you stop listening to other opinions about what needs ot be done.

2. I do not believe we can win a championship with Eric Spoelstra, I just do not think he has to right tools to get us a win in a difficult situations (last nights game is an example) -

3. We put too much emphasis on “team defense” while we are/were considered to have one of the best defenses in the NBA, last night’s game proved that the team concept left too many wide open shots for the clippers. we seam to always be running out to the perimeter to contest a shot.

4. We don’t allow other players to get involved in the offense. Last nights game saw players I’ve never heard of get more shot attempts than players that are better known on this team.

5. Our scoring is not balanced enough - most other teams have more balanced scoring.

6. Our shooters do not have enough shot attempts, then we get pissed when they don’t make the few attempts we give them.

7. On change of possessions after an opponent scores, we take too much time deciding who will inbound the ball.

8. We allow our opponents to set up their offense, only putting full court press on defense on a limited basis and use.

9. We don’t play to the flow of the game.

10. We pass up too many open shots, we pass too much. i understand you swing the ball to get a batter opportunity, it seams we are just swinging the ball just to make sure the play is ran correctly.

[RexBoyWonder]

2. I do not believe we can win a championship with Eric Spoelstra, I just do not think he has to right tools to get us a win in a difficult situations (last nights game is an example)

i gave him credit last season but im really losing faith in him lately. i see no coaching finger prints on this team, exept for this :

3. We put too much emphasis on “team defense” while we are/were considered to have one of the best defenses in the NBA, last night’s game proved that the team concept left too many wide open shots for the clippers. we seam to always be running out to the perimeter to contest a shot.

this is the only real coaching finger prints on this team, and it's KILLING US.

4. We don’t allow other players to get involved in the offense. Last nights game saw players I’ve never heard of get more shot attempts than players that are better known on this team.
5. Our scoring is not balanced enough - most other teams have more balanced scoring
6. Our shooters do not have enough shot attempts, then we get pissed when they don’t make the few attempts we give them.

All of these are the same point, and i totally agree. ive been calling for weeks for MikeMiller to get shots, guys cant get in a real groove when they are taking 4 shots a night. balance = healty offense.

7. On change of possessions after an opponent scores, we take too much time deciding who will inbound the ball.

ive noticed that too, but it's the one thing we got better in, going fast after a made basket.
still, it drives me crazy that team looks so un-coached : we dont have a designated inbounder, no designated foul-shooter (for technicals), no SET PLAYS for end of quarters, we always seem to just "wing it". i cant **** stand it.

8. We allow our opponents to set up their offense, only putting full court press on defense on a limited basis and use.

true, i keep seeing teams using the "soft inbouned" thing agaisnt us to save a fwe secs on the shotclock, we never bother to just aproach the point guard and make him pick the ball up. **** lazy as ****.

[FlashTheKilla]

Defensive strategy sucks balls

While I'd like to see some other minor changes here and there, I think our "true" problems are very limited, which is a testament to how strong a team we are. The issue with that is that our problems (such as the defensive strategy) are systematic and will not change unless the system does. Which brings me to my further point:

It's okay to be wrong sometimes Erik.

[CablexDeadpool]

1. Still have an old team and a bench that can only shoot 3s and play defense
2. Bosh still can't play with Wade on the floor
3. Still trying to try out of shape and dead legs for the center position
4. Still trying run this tired defensive concept that doesn't work
5. Still won't play younger player for fear that they might have an Iq of a toenail, still rather player a vet who can't even shoot or close out or run up the floor
6. Spo doesn't read scouting reports... if he did the Heat would've won the NBA Finals because he might realize that...uh...the Mavs shoot 3s
7. Varnado still isn't with the team when he's the NCAA all time leading shotblocker
8. Heat only develops defensive players and role players
9. Haslem and Shane on the floor at the same time is super idiotic
10. Mike Miller and James Jones should play more than Shane because the Heat needs some type of scoring off the bench, the defense already sucks anyway.
11. Heat roleplayers and bench suck because they are too passive and don't wanna shoot because they rather see Lebron go one on one or Wade run into a break wall. Heat younger players are actually assertive but noooooooooo, their little brains are not filled with Miami Heat basketball knowledge that are from the basketball gods themselves. They will combust on the court without it.
12. Still won't even try to speed up the pace in the 4th quarter.

[Respect My Mind]

1. Forum fans who don't know why the Heat lose and blindly blame Spolestra

2. Overrating Norris Cole

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

[FlashTheKilla]

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

Just wanted to make sure people saw that.

[Pimpwerx]

In reply to the OP:

1. Agreed

2. Disagree. Who would be a better choice? Following the Finals, people were calling for Adelman, a man fired from a crappy Rockets team. Other than Phil Jackson, I wouldn't trade Spo for anyone, not even Doc Rivers.

3. It's not the defense's fault that Wade and others don't close out on their man. They looked tired, and probably were. People are worried about conceding a low-percentage shot? When the defense rotates as it should, we don't give up many open 3s. A regular season b2b isn't an indicator of a major problem. Not when the effort exerted is compounded over this compressed season.

4. No longer a problem. Shane passed up enough open 3s last night that no one should feel bad about the bench not shooting enough.

5. Not much of an issue anymore either IMO. The Big3 are just nice insurance for nights the bench sucks.

6. Other than JJ not playing, same as #4.

7. Not a problem anymore, since this was probably addressed when Spo came up with his new offense. My new issue is that we don't run enough. Early in the season, we looked like we would blow teams out. We can get fast breaks off shot makes. We just aren't running anymore...well, except for Cole. But then, we say he's out of control, so whatever. I think they're saving their legs on the season.

8. We've definitely gotten better with this. When Wade's out there, he pushes the pace. The same with Cole. I find that Bosh Time and when Lebron is by himself, we tend to slow down. That was evident by the change in pace when Wade was injured. We're a faster team with him, and when motivated, we will beat the opposing defense down the court. I expect the space-and-pace offense to be seen more often come playoff time.

9. I understand what you meant by this last year. I don't think it's an issue anymore. I think we should set the pace ourselves more. Maybe when we slow down, it's because we're calling a lot of plays like last season. I'm not sure.

10. Well, you can't complain about the role players not getting enough shots if they're not taking them. Miller Time is in full effect, though. He's really helping our spacing because defenses are sticking him close and closing out fast. PEACE.

[Pimpwerx]

My own venting:

1. Fans who bash Big3 members for bad games. They're all doing their part this season. Let's appreciate the nice things we have a bit more.

2. Complaining about the 3s conceded. You're complaining about conceding the lowest-percentage shot on the court. It wasn't even a year ago this was the best defense in the playoffs. Get a grip.

3. Ignoring Wade's faults. I had this dude in my avatar since his sophomore season, and he'll always be my favorite Heat player of all-time. However, Wade has been terrible closing out on 3s, has shot like ass in a number of games (taking terrible shots too) and has committed turnovers and missed FTs in some important situations. Yet, all I read is Bosh and Bron getting bashed all the time. I don't want any of them getting bashed, but at least be fair about it.

4. Joining the chorus of Lebron haters. Stop buying into the media narrative, questioning every little aspect of his game. He's the best player in the league. He's the best player on our team. Without him, I'm sorry, we're not the favorites to win the title. Without him, we're probably not 18-7. You think Wade-Bosh win all those games with Lebron down? I don't think so. Wade's my dude, but stop criticizing the best player in the league when he does so much for us.

5. James Jones fans. Sorry, you're the new Carlos Arroyo fans. You guys need to stfu until JJ starts playing better defense. See Miller flailing around out there? Yeah. JJ is the black Miller, with worse rebounding. Give it up already.

6. Spo not playing young players. Last night, Pittman came in and we started doing better on the boards and controlling Dwight. He didn't play long. Cole has been pulled from games at odd times. He was the only person sitting between Ty Lawson and the brutal ass-beating Denver gave us. Yet, Spo sat him to let Rio get beaten over and over again. Cole was taking it to Rose when Rose had a 2 fouls, and Spo sat him and let Rose off the hook. I don't get it.

7. Robotic rotations. Spo sits the hot hand far too often. He also lets guys kill us for too long before making changes. It's frustrating.

PEACE.

[DefenseWins]

7. Robotic rotations. Spo sits the hot hand far too often. He also lets guys kill us for too long before making changes. It's frustrating.

PEACE.

This is the #1 thing I hate about Spo besides his stubbornness and defense.

I mean, everytime someone is tearing it up he takes them out of the game at the WORST TIMES.

Wade was killing it last night and he sits most of the 3rd quarter and the lead for the Magic stretched because LBJ didn't have it going at all. It's like he doesn't want to change anything because he knows he sucks at adjusting lol. What a robot this dude is. It's always at the 3 minute mark in the 1st where Wade and Bosh comes out

[WD]

2. I do not believe we can win a championship with Eric Spoelstra, I just do not think he has to right tools to get us a win in a difficult situations (last nights game is an example)

i gave him credit last season but im really losing faith in him lately. i see no coaching finger prints on this team, exept for this :

3. We put too much emphasis on “team defense” while we are/were considered to have one of the best defenses in the NBA, last night’s game proved that the team concept left too many wide open shots for the clippers. we seam to always be running out to the perimeter to contest a shot.

this is the only real coaching finger prints on this team, and it's KILLING US.

4. We don’t allow other players to get involved in the offense. Last nights game saw players I’ve never heard of get more shot attempts than players that are better known on this team.
5. Our scoring is not balanced enough - most other teams have more balanced scoring
6. Our shooters do not have enough shot attempts, then we get pissed when they don’t make the few attempts we give them.

All of these are the same point, and i totally agree. ive been calling for weeks for MikeMiller to get shots, guys cant get in a real groove when they are taking 4 shots a night. balance = healty offense.

7. On change of possessions after an opponent scores, we take too much time deciding who will inbound the ball.

ive noticed that too, but it's the one thing we got better in, going fast after a made basket.
still, it drives me crazy that team looks so un-coached : we dont have a designated inbounder, no designated foul-shooter (for technicals), no SET PLAYS for end of quarters, we always seem to just "wing it". i cant **** stand it.

8. We allow our opponents to set up their offense, only putting full court press on defense on a limited basis and use.

true, i keep seeing teams using the "soft inbouned" thing agaisnt us to save a fwe secs on the shotclock, we never bother to just aproach the point guard and make him pick the ball up. **** lazy as ****.

and to think I posted this LAST YEAR

[WD]

1. Forum fans who don't know why the Heat lose and blindly blame Spolestra

2. Overrating Norris Cole

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

sorry, but Pat Rileys GM abilities are one of the best in the NBA

[WD]

In reply to the OP:

1. Agreed

2. Disagree. Who would be a better choice? Following the Finals, people were calling for Adelman, a man fired from a crappy Rockets team. Other than Phil Jackson, I wouldn't trade Spo for anyone, not even Doc Rivers.

3. It's not the defense's fault that Wade and others don't close out on their man. They looked tired, and probably were. People are worried about conceding a low-percentage shot? When the defense rotates as it should, we don't give up many open 3s. A regular season b2b isn't an indicator of a major problem. Not when the effort exerted is compounded over this compressed season.

4. No longer a problem. Shane passed up enough open 3s last night that no one should feel bad about the bench not shooting enough.

5. Not much of an issue anymore either IMO. The Big3 are just nice insurance for nights the bench sucks.

6. Other than JJ not playing, same as #4.

7. Not a problem anymore, since this was probably addressed when Spo came up with his new offense. My new issue is that we don't run enough. Early in the season, we looked like we would blow teams out. We can get fast breaks off shot makes. We just aren't running anymore...well, except for Cole. But then, we say he's out of control, so whatever. I think they're saving their legs on the season.

8. We've definitely gotten better with this. When Wade's out there, he pushes the pace. The same with Cole. I find that Bosh Time and when Lebron is by himself, we tend to slow down. That was evident by the change in pace when Wade was injured. We're a faster team with him, and when motivated, we will beat the opposing defense down the court. I expect the space-and-pace offense to be seen more often come playoff time.

9. I understand what you meant by this last year. I don't think it's an issue anymore. I think we should set the pace ourselves more. Maybe when we slow down, it's because we're calling a lot of plays like last season. I'm not sure.

10. Well, you can't complain about the role players not getting enough shots if they're not taking them. Miller Time is in full effect, though. He's really helping our spacing because defenses are sticking him close and closing out fast. PEACE.

good post BUT

2 - I am not lobbying for a new coach

3 - If the players didn't trap so hard and so often, they wouldn't have to close out on their man

4 - The fact that shane and others passes up shots is due to the fact that I feel that the players feel like they should always get the ball to certain persons FIRST

5 - I disagree and the fact that JJ is not getting more shot attempts could be huge for THIS team

7 - Describe the new offense to me - it sure looks like the same one on one play most times, I think the excessive run outs, trapping and switching is wearing out their legs

8 - Only gotten better during the last few seconds of a game

9 - NC

10 - none of these are complaints, just my observations

[Heat_team02]

Haslem is clumsy with the ball in his hands. Makes poor decisions with the ball. Joel Anthony is another player that cannot have the offense flow through him. That affects the ball movement.

[Respect My Mind]

1. Forum fans who don't know why the Heat lose and blindly blame Spolestra

2. Overrating Norris Cole

3. Overrating Riley's GM abilities

sorry, but Pat Rileys GM abilities are one of the best in the NBA

Sorry, but my niece's cat can go out and try to sign the best SG/SF/PF available on the market. Any dummy would try to sign the big three. THAT DOES NOT MAKE PAT A GOOD GM. A good GM would build around that core with players who can perform. Not waste 77 million on players with zero offensive skill (Miller/Battier/Joel/Haslem) How is that good GM'ing? Then you waste two roster spots on two completely useless centers in Pittman and Curry who lumber around the court with their titties bouncing up and down.

Now because the roster is trash outside 4 players, The big three is too tired to play this stupid style defense, which forces you to run back and forth chasing the ball as fast as you can for 24 seconds.

And you wonder why three's rain on their heads.

[dolphinatik]

we are not trying anything new we continue to try the same things that fail us. howard killing us? toss in Curry to get his 6 fouls off on him and push him around??? Most coaches would have done that. not ours.

Utilize Bron and Bosh in the post to pressure Howard into fouls. Most coaches would have done that. We are getting zero production from Miller and Battier recently. I dont blame the players because they are not in a position to really contribute.

Everyone on the floor needs an opportunity to score if they can get an easy basket. Its coaches job to get ppl easy looks and exploit matchups. It seems like all we do and ever do is rely on Wade and Lebron to bail us out. Thats not good basketball. Everyone else on the floor is just there to fill space. We cant win like this. there has to be more purpose for the 3 others on the floor besides pass it to Wade and Lebron.


If i were coach I would bench Lebron and WAde together and let the team proove and remind themselves that they can function without them.

our whole Philosophy of playing and playstyle is just horrible and erratic. We cant hold leads when we seem to always go on runs.

[OtW]

In no particular order:
1. Robotic rotations, instead of adjusting to the situation.
2. A starting center that is short by center standards, fumbles passes, and can't challenge the Howards or the Bynums of the league for rebounds.
3. Role players passing up open shots for Wade/Bron ISO Ball.
4. Not trusting your reserves.
5. Taking the hot hand out of the game.
6. Not adjusting the defense when we are getting beat by 3 point shooters or good ball movement where people get open shots against us.
7. Maybe it's just me, but in my opinion, LeBron does not seem like he is committed to playing the post. He posts up maybe twice per game, and usually passes out of it or takes a 20 foot fade-a-way instead of going in strong. (don't get me wrong though, when LBJ IS getting doubled in the post, his passes usually lead to open shots).
8. Stars ignoring play calls.

[DefenseWins]

I totally forgot about LeBron's post game or that he even added it to his game.... he doesn't use it consistently enough at all. It's like he forgets himself that he can try to use it. I mean he had Hedo the other night... come on....

[OtW]

I totally forgot about LeBron's post game or that he even added it to his game.... he doesn't use it consistently enough at all. It's like he forgets himself that he can try to use it. I mean he had Hedo the other night... come on....

Yeah, I know, lol . I remember this one play around the beginning of the game where he had Hedo in the post, he abused him until he got in close, shook him off, and pulled off a close range shot. LBJ has the tools to beast in the post, it would really benefit him and the team to post up more. All he needs is confidence IMO.

You simply can't go wrong with a close range shot. Which Small Forward in the game can guard him in the post?

[Heat_team02]

My Starting Lineup:

Dexter Pittman (he can catch & pass) C
Chris Bosh PF
Lebron James SF
Dwyane Wade SG
Mario Chalmers PG

Reserves:

Joel Anthony / Eddy Curry (depending on size match ups) C
Udonis Haslem PF
Shane Battier SF
Mike Miller SG
Norris Cole PG

[OtW]

My Starting Lineup:

Dexter Pittman (he can catch & pass) C
Chris Bosh PF
Lebron James SF
Dwyane Wade SG
Mario Chalmers PG

Reserves:

Joel Anthony / Eddy Curry (depending on size match ups) C
Udonis Haslem PF
Shane Battier SF
Mike Miller SG
Norris Cole PG

I want to see how Pittman would do starting. I know people complain that he is a foul machine and slow, but level that off with his rebounding, ability to get gritty with centers like Dwight, and soft touch around the hoop. While Joel is more athletic than Pittman, a better defender, and not a foul machine, when Joel is up against a taller center (like a Bynum, Howard) and he is not blocking them, he usually becomes a liability, they end up either scoring on him or drawing a foul, as was the case with Dwight last night.