Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...)

[CB-Blazer]

Tiago Splitter and Brandon Rush have higher TS% than Chris Paul and Lebron. It's not a very telling stat.

You have no context. Paul and Lebron are completely different types of players. Good 3 point shooters tend to have high TS%'s, aslong with big men.

Josh Smith doesn't have a good TS% for any position or roll on the court. He simply very unefficient in terms of NBA standards (especially when considering he is a full time starter).

Out of players who average 30+ MPG, Josh Smith ranks 77th out of 88 in TS%. 6 of the players ranked lower than him are guards (who have lower TS% generally than guards) and the only other PF/C's that are more inefficient than Smith is Antwan Jamison and Andrew Bogut.

No matter how you spin it, Josh Smith is extremely inefficient.

[Blame Rasho]

Just saying that it doesn't seem like a very accurate comparative stat. Especially so when you factor in all the different qualifiers, such as the one you brought up.

There is no way to sugarcoat the fact that Smith isn't an ineffective player. If you are trying to argue for the sake of aruging... that is fine... but you are wrong. Deal with it.

[betta1]

Just saying that it doesn't seem like a very accurate comparative stat. Especially so when you factor in all the different qualifiers, such as the one you brought up.

There is no way to sugarcoat the fact that Smith isn't an ineffective player. If you are trying to argue for the sake of aruging... that is fine... but you are wrong. Deal with it.

So you are agreeing that he is effective?

[CB-Blazer]

Just saying that it doesn't seem like a very accurate comparative stat. Especially so when you factor in all the different qualifiers, such as the one you brought up.

There is no way to sugarcoat the fact that Smith isn't an ineffective player. If you are trying to argue for the sake of aruging... that is fine... but you are wrong. Deal with it.

So you are agreeing that he is effective?

I have a feeling that he misspoke and meant "inefficient".

[betta1]

Tiago Splitter and Brandon Rush have higher TS% than Chris Paul and Lebron. It's not a very telling stat.

You have no context. Paul and Lebron are completely different types of players. Good 3 point shooters tend to have high TS%'s, aslong with big men.

Josh Smith doesn't have a good TS% for any position or roll on the court. He simply very unefficient in terms of NBA standards (especially when considering he is a full time starter).

Out of players who average 30+ MPG, Josh Smith ranks 77th out of 88 in TS%. 6 of the players ranked lower than him are guards (who have lower TS% generally than guards) and the only other PF/C's that are more inefficient than Smith is Antwan Jamison and Andrew Bogut.

No matter how you spin it, Josh Smith is extremely inefficient.

All seem like dubious, at best, reasons for the snub.

Going by such convoluted arguments, one would also be inclined to select Alonzo Gee or Marvin Williams before Deng.

[betta1]

I have a feeling that he misspoke and meant "inefficient".

I think the double negative is what confused me more than the choice of adjective.

[CB-Blazer]

Tiago Splitter and Brandon Rush have higher TS% than Chris Paul and Lebron. It's not a very telling stat.

You have no context. Paul and Lebron are completely different types of players. Good 3 point shooters tend to have high TS%'s, aslong with big men.

Josh Smith doesn't have a good TS% for any position or roll on the court. He simply very unefficient in terms of NBA standards (especially when considering he is a full time starter).

Out of players who average 30+ MPG, Josh Smith ranks 77th out of 88 in TS%. 6 of the players ranked lower than him are guards (who have lower TS% generally than guards) and the only other PF/C's that are more inefficient than Smith is Antwan Jamison and Andrew Bogut.

No matter how you spin it, Josh Smith is extremely inefficient.

All seem like dubious, at best, reasons for the snub.

Going by such convoluted arguments, one would also be inclined to select Alonzo Gee or Marvin Williams before Deng.

Not really. Josh Smith is a very good all-around player, minus the scoring. I'd be willing to be that majority of the players in the NBA could scoring 16 points if they were given 14 shots a night, thats my point.

I like Josh Smith but he is nothing special (albeit, Deng isn't either). It was IMO a wash as to who got in and Deng did. Hard to call it a snub.

[betta1]

Not really. Josh Smith is a very good all-around player, minus the scoring. I'd be willing to be that majority of the players in the NBA could scoring 16 points if they were given 14 shots a night, thats my point.

I like Josh Smith but he is nothing special (albeit, Deng isn't either). It was IMO a wash as to who got in and Deng did. Hard to call it a snub.

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

[Rapcity_11]

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

And by simple math, Smith is a much less efficient offensive player than Deng.

Ortg:
Smith 97
Deng 106

[betta1]

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

And by simple math, Smith is a much less efficient offensive player than Deng.

Ortg:
Smith 97
Deng 106

And Kyle Korver is at 122. Gotta love when obscure stats backfire.

[coldfish]

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

And by simple math, Smith is a much less efficient offensive player than Deng.

Ortg:
Smith 97
Deng 106

And Kyle Korver is at 122. Gotta love when obscure stats backfire.

Kyle Korver is an insanely efficient offensive player. He can't create his own shot, rebound or play defense but when he gets in a position to shoot, I would take him over Josh Smith or Deng every time.

[turk3d]

Monta is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league this season so far (especially with Manu and Gordon out). No need for so many PGs making it and Monta being snubbed for the 3rd years in a row. And to claim it's because of the team's record is BS. Didn't stop Griffin or Love from being picked last year. Of course the "great" Warrior fanbase doesn't help.

And don't give me that TS BS. Ellis deserved to make it, again but was snubbed. I think David Lee with his 18.4 ad 9.9 should have been considered too but typical treatment by the league of Warrior players. It looks like it will be two years in a row that I miss the all star game. Not watching it if my teams player are not given fair consideration.

[betta1]

Kyle Korver is an insanely efficient offensive player. He can't create his own shot, rebound or play defense but when he gets in a position to shoot, I would take him over Josh Smith or Deng every time.

And over Derrick Rose, too, by that uber-hypothetical metric.

[CB-Blazer]

Not really. Josh Smith is a very good all-around player, minus the scoring. I'd be willing to be that majority of the players in the NBA could scoring 16 points if they were given 14 shots a night, thats my point.

I like Josh Smith but he is nothing special (albeit, Deng isn't either). It was IMO a wash as to who got in and Deng did. Hard to call it a snub.

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

So freethrows and 3 pointers don't factor in how efficient a player is? Simple Logic states that Deng is the more efficient, all around player.

Want some more simple math? Deng scores more points per shot than Smith does.

[CB-Blazer]

Monta is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league this season so far (especially with Manu and Gordon out). No need for so many PGs making it and Monta being snubbed for the 3rd years in a row. And to claim it's because of the team's record is BS. Didn't stop Griffin or Love from being picked last year. Of course the "great" Warrior fanbase doesn't help.

And don't give me that TS BS. Ellis deserved to make it, again but was snubbed. I think David Lee with his 18.4 ad 9.9 should have been considered too but typical treatment by the league of Warrior players. It looks like it will be two years in a row that I miss the all star game. Not watching it if my teams player are not given fair consideration.

Monta is better than Kobe or Wade, depending on your perspective on the best?

[betta1]

Not really. Josh Smith is a very good all-around player, minus the scoring. I'd be willing to be that majority of the players in the NBA could scoring 16 points if they were given 14 shots a night, thats my point.

I like Josh Smith but he is nothing special (albeit, Deng isn't either). It was IMO a wash as to who got in and Deng did. Hard to call it a snub.

Again, Smith makes more FGs on less attempts than Deng. Simple math.

So freethrows and 3 pointers don't factor in how efficient a player is? Simple Logic states that Deng is the more efficient, all around player.

Want some more simple math? Deng scores more points per shot than Smith does.

Irrelevant. Korver makes more points per shot than pretty much the entire league, so?

[Blame Rasho]

Monta is the 2nd best shooting guard in the league this season so far (especially with Manu and Gordon out). No need for so many PGs making it and Monta being snubbed for the 3rd years in a row. And to claim it's because of the team's record is BS. Didn't stop Griffin or Love from being picked last year. Of course the "great" Warrior fanbase doesn't help.

And don't give me that TS BS. Ellis deserved to make it, again but was snubbed. I think David Lee with his 18.4 ad 9.9 should have been considered too but typical treatment by the league of Warrior players. It looks like it will be two years in a row that I miss the all star game. Not watching it if my teams player are not given fair consideration.

Well it is a good thing that your opinion doesn't matter....

[Blame Rasho]

I have a feeling that he misspoke and meant "inefficient".

Thanks...

[King Of The 4th]

All the blame should go to David Stern for these snubs. If he didn't rush the All-Star voting this year, it would've given voters and coaches a clearer picture on who deserved to be there and who didn't.

Take Paul Pierce for instance. The week that he got into the All-Star game was right after a week where he played excellent and won a Player of the Week award. Had he been given another few weeks to prove his worth he may not have made it. Same goes for Rondo, who was injured for a good chunk of the season and didn't get a chance to make a case.

If there was ever an All-Star vote to put an asterisk next to, it would be this one.

[CB-Blazer]

Irrelevant. Korver makes more points per shot than pretty much the entire league, so?

You really have no idea how to look at things in context do you?