2012 NBA Draft

[nate33]

Kwame...but that was 7 years ago

Wait. What?

Are you saying EG did a bad job with the Kwame trade?

[tontoz]

Kwame...but that was 7 years ago

Wait. What?

Are you saying EG did a bad job with the Kwame trade?

Well he was the number 1 pick so EG should have gotten more than a guy who was picked at 10. Right WizD?

[no D in Hibachi]

Kwame...but that was 7 years ago

Wait. What?

Are you saying EG did a bad job with the Kwame trade?

No, your question was when did EG trade a guy when his value was panic low. I think Kwames value was pretty close to rock bottom when he dumped him on LA for Caron. He swindled the Lakers, but that was 7 years ago.

[Illuminaire]

So he swindled the Lakers for rock-bottom value?

[dangermouse]

7 years, he's overdue for another swindle

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Watching Vesely and Mack against the Heat... I like Vesely and think he could still get better with a full offseason program, summer league, a full training camp, hopefully. But his overall skills right now for a #6 pick are very discouraging.

Looking to me Ernie Grunfeld did not have a good draft. This draft wasn't great by any means... but at 6 I wanted Markieff Morris or Nikola Vucevic. I would of still taken Singleton at 18 however. At 34 I would of taken Chandler Parsons. Not 20/20 this is how I thought on draft day.

I say it's definitely time for a new GM.

[Ruzious]

So he swindled the Lakers for rock-bottom value?

I laughed.

And as it turned out, they traded Kwamdog before his value decreased more. That's the thing with McGee. We have no way of knowing if his value is going to decrease. We do know he's got a low gas tank. Unfortunately, Wittman somehow didn't realize that until after last night's game. Isn't Wittman supposed to know stuff like that - being the coach and all? Sigh. Anyway, I tangentialize... er digress. This is the draft thread.

[rockymac52]

Said it once I'll say it again, DO NOT DRAFT PERRY JONES. He's worthy of being in the NBA, but he is NOT going to be a good player at the next level.

[Jay81]

last year nobody wanted Vesley...and we got him...this year nobody wants Perry Jones...just sayin

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Said it once I'll say it again, DO NOT DRAFT PERRY JONES. He's worthy of being in the NBA, but he is NOT going to be a good player at the next level.

+1000

If Perry Jones' stock drops, and the Wizards have acquired a second first round pick through some sort of trade; don't draft Perry Jones with that pick. Singleton has shown why he dropped. He cannot shoot a lick and his defense has been very overrated. Perry Jones has no heart.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The eldest Plumlee, Miles, really hit the boards against the Terps. Miles had 22 rebounds today. He can make an NBA roster IMO because of his size and rebounding. I never mention Mason Plumlee, who had 16 points and 10 rebounds for Duke, but Mason would seem to be a safe pick at PF in the mid to late 1st round. I don't like either of the Plumlee's athletically because they are neither quick, nor explosive. However, both can rebound, set picks, and play fundamentally sound basketball. Mason is a really good finisher in the paint.

So, put me down as saying if the Wizards pick low enough, either Plumlee would be fine. Miles in round two might be real good pick up.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Marcus Denmon has come out of his midseason shooting slump in a big way.

There seem to be a lot of really strong offensive players at G this draft, and he is one of them.

[Ruzious]

I've been talking for a while about Miles Plumlee and Withey of Kansas - as "great whites" who are over-shadowed on their teams but will play in the NBA. Both had amazing games today. Meanwhile, it wasn't just Perry Jones who had a horrible game; Sullinger did too. He had about as bad a game as you can have while putting up 15 and 15. He got really frustrated and had 10 to's - the entire Ohio State team just could not buy a bucket. He just was not protecting the ball. Coach Izzo must have figured a weakness in the way the holds the ball, and Sullinger never adjusted.

[go'stags]

CCJ, I think you are really underrating Mason Plumlee's athleticism. I hate Duke, but when I see him play I am reminded of Marcin Gortat. Does anyone else see the similarities? He is a very mobile player who would know how to get tons of open dunks with a good point guard. He has long arms and is rangy on defense, and I think hes a legit 7'0. I see him as a Center in the NBA.

Has anyone seen Mike Moser of UNLV? He rebounds a ton and has a very good touch out to 3 point range. Also an excellent athlete with some serious skills and gets 2 steals per game. Hes kind of weak but is long and athletic. Definitely a guy to keep an eye on.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I saw the box today and was literally going to post about Mike Moser, go'stags.

Also, I agree on Mason. He looked all kinds of athletic against the Terps (last Duke loss, not this one which I didn't see). When I say he lacks athleticism, what I should have said is defensively I don't like Mason's lateral movement that much. He can be out-quicked. OTOH, kid can throw it down like a big man should.

I think Mason looks like a guy who will have a long NBA career, perhaps starting at PF at some point.

[llcc25]

Zeller again carried his UNC team again with 25 and 9 today. Here is post game quote from other coach “When he wasn’t making shots, he was kicking it out to the open guys,” Virginia’s Joe Harris said. “Not a lot of posts can pass like he can. We were coming quick and that’s the pass we want him to make. But with his size and basketball sense, he was able to make the straight-line pass to the opposite wing—which makes it really tough for our defense to scramble back and get back on our guys.”

We could definitely use a guy like him next year. At the rate he's playing, he will be gone somewhere in 10-15. Honestly, once he gets stronger for the next level, with his skill set and size, I see him being a solid starting Center in this league.

[go'stags]

CCJ, I agree that Mason will be outquicked by many Power Forwards. I think he is a Center though.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, Mason's a center - even though he's going to have strength issues - unlike brother Miles. Miles got the lumberjack jeans in the family. I remember when Mason came to Duke, he had a rep for having a good jump shot, but that never materialized - and he can't even make 50% of his foul shots.

Moser - I have never seen, but he sounds like a tweener. He's really too small to be a PF, but it sounds like he has the physical attributes to play the 3, and you never know how quickly a player adjusts from switching from a 4 to a 3. His 3 point shooting % is not good, but maybe it's just cuz he hasn't had enough experience. In time, maybe he's a better version of Wilson Chandler? I agree - he's a guy you really have to scout.

[daSwami]

I know there's zero chance this kid will leave school after this season, but a guy I love to watch play is Aaron Craft. His stats aren't impressive but the kid is unbelievably tough, and fast, too. I hadn't paid him much notice until I saw him play against GMU in last year's tourny, but in that one game he was amazing and I remember thinking to myself that I was watching a future lottery pick. I don't think he's played as well since (statistically speaking), but in the few OH State games I've watched this year have only reinforced my belief that he'll be a great pro, especially in light of Jeremy Lin's success. I view them as stylistically similar, although Craft appears to be a much better defender.

Anyhoo, don't know if its even worth discussing a guy whose likely 2 years removed from being draft eligible. But, for now, he's 'my guy' and I'll be truly intrigued to see how the remainder of his career pans out.

[gesa2]

^^^^
Craft reminds me of Kyle Lowery when he was playing for Villanova. Not a shooter or even a great scorer, but runs the team well on offense and an absolute pest on D.