Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[FCNATL85]

Would you do:

Jamison + NO 12 2nd* for Hinrinch, Marvin and Dampier once Collins is back.
* if greedy, ATL might offer PHO 2nd and ATL 1st for CLE 1st (probably mid to late teens)

You lose KH as the rest is pretty much a wash while CLE gets Marvin and Dampier to replace Varajeo and Jam, while getting Marvin for a couple of years.

ATL moves Marvin and keep the amnesty (Joe if needed on later on) while carving 15M cap space in place of KH 8M only...
One might applaude the effort this season but with Al coming back at best just for the PO, there is no way that we make it past the 2nd round...if that.
Might as well prep the future.

[ATL Boy]

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[FCNATL85]

Did you put your blinker the last time you turn to Starbucks?

[ATL Boy]

Did you put your blinker the last time you turn to Starbucks?

What?

[Superiorblogman]

With a clear head I once again say blow it up for picks and cap space. If you get enough space amnesty Joe and start over.

[Rip2137]

With a clear head I once again say blow it up for picks and cap space. If you get enough space amnesty Joe and start over.

So just so we are clear here...tired of a tem that has literally gotten further every year, you would rather suck for the next 5-6 years...because if that's the case I think we should trade Teague for Bimbo Coles and Joe for Isaiah Rider and Jim Jackson.

I bet we would be totally good after that.

[Ruhiel]

lost my head for a sec and forgot this Official thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=8y3antz

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6q8xok8

The 1st trade apparently adds 2 wins and MIL gets their tank on. The 2nd apparently adds 3 more than that, 5 additional wins in total, to our record (based on PER). And MIL really gets their tank on.

Reasons.

Hawks get much bigger thru SG-SF-PF core
- can now dictate matchups,
- prevent embarassing switches that used to happen where you can jus hide the weakest defender on Marvin Williams.
- Also more importantly intangibles. We get help boxing out and size for getting tip outs.
- Joe Johnson now gets matched vs SGs. Kobe will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Jodie Meeks will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Wade will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post.

No more teams sticking their elite SFs on Joe and making him overwork into badshooting nights.

Josh Smith called for "knock-down shooter": "I'm not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor." In training camp but Radmanovic has little to no ability to get a shot off in the post. Not long enough and soft.

Hawks defense also gets better with Smith roaming and swatting guys from behind and fits into what Larry Drew thought he could do when he inherited the team

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. He can be a tough matchup at the 3 as well. You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man. Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up. We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy. It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

Teague/Johnson/Smith/Leuer/Horford
Gooden would come off the bench as part of the bench mob. And Pachulia would start until AL came back.

[ATL Boy]

lost my head for a sec and forgot this Official thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=8y3antz

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6q8xok8

The 1st trade apparently adds 2 wins and MIL gets their tank on. The 2nd apparently adds 3 more than that, 5 additional wins in total, to our record (based on PER). And MIL really gets their tank on.

Reasons.

Hawks get much bigger thru SG-SF-PF core
- can now dictate matchups,
- prevent embarassing switches that used to happen where you can jus hide the weakest defender on Marvin Williams.
- Also more importantly intangibles. We get help boxing out and size for getting tip outs.
- Joe Johnson now gets matched vs SGs. Kobe will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Jodie Meeks will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Wade will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post.

No more teams sticking their elite SFs on Joe and making him overwork into badshooting nights.

Josh Smith called for "knock-down shooter": "I'm not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor." In training camp but Radmanovic has little to no ability to get a shot off in the post. Not long enough and soft.

Hawks defense also gets better with Smith roaming and swatting guys from behind and fits into what Larry Drew thought he could do when he inherited the team

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. He can be a tough matchup at the 3 as well. You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man. Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up. We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy. It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

Teague/Johnson/Smith/Leuer/Horford
Gooden would come off the bench as part of the bench mob. And Pachulia would start until AL came back.

There's no way I'd take on Gooden in any deal

[Superiorblogman]

lost my head for a sec and forgot this Official thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=8y3antz

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6q8xok8

The 1st trade apparently adds 2 wins and MIL gets their tank on. The 2nd apparently adds 3 more than that, 5 additional wins in total, to our record (based on PER). And MIL really gets their tank on.

Reasons.

Hawks get much bigger thru SG-SF-PF core
- can now dictate matchups,
- prevent embarassing switches that used to happen where you can jus hide the weakest defender on Marvin Williams.
- Also more importantly intangibles. We get help boxing out and size for getting tip outs.
- Joe Johnson now gets matched vs SGs. Kobe will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Jodie Meeks will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Wade will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post.

No more teams sticking their elite SFs on Joe and making him overwork into badshooting nights.

Josh Smith called for "knock-down shooter": "I'm not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor." In training camp but Radmanovic has little to no ability to get a shot off in the post. Not long enough and soft.

Hawks defense also gets better with Smith roaming and swatting guys from behind and fits into what Larry Drew thought he could do when he inherited the team

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. He can be a tough matchup at the 3 as well. You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man. Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up. We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy. It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

Teague/Johnson/Smith/Leuer/Horford
Gooden would come off the bench as part of the bench mob. And Pachulia would start until AL came back.

2nd trade is a definite no-no. 1st trade is questionable because we would be hurting at the SF position and Drew Gooden is not a good contract to take.

[LOJ]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

[ATL Boy]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

We're not gonna give up Hinrich and a 1st for Mo Williams

[LOJ]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

We're not gonna give up Hinrich and a 1st for Mo Williams

Care to elaborate? He's playing much better than Hinrich.

[Rip2137]

Mostly because he is Mo Williams and he isn't worth 2 contributing players and a first round draft pic.

[Rip2137]

lost my head for a sec and forgot this Official thread

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=8y3antz

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6q8xok8

The 1st trade apparently adds 2 wins and MIL gets their tank on. The 2nd apparently adds 3 more than that, 5 additional wins in total, to our record (based on PER). And MIL really gets their tank on.

Reasons.

Hawks get much bigger thru SG-SF-PF core
- can now dictate matchups,
- prevent embarassing switches that used to happen where you can jus hide the weakest defender on Marvin Williams.
- Also more importantly intangibles. We get help boxing out and size for getting tip outs.
- Joe Johnson now gets matched vs SGs. Kobe will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Jodie Meeks will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post. Wade will have to guard Joe or Josh in the post.

No more teams sticking their elite SFs on Joe and making him overwork into badshooting nights.

Josh Smith called for "knock-down shooter": "I'm not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor." In training camp but Radmanovic has little to no ability to get a shot off in the post. Not long enough and soft.

Hawks defense also gets better with Smith roaming and swatting guys from behind and fits into what Larry Drew thought he could do when he inherited the team

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. He can be a tough matchup at the 3 as well. You play him at some 3, there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man. Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up. We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy. It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

Teague/Johnson/Smith/Leuer/Horford
Gooden would come off the bench as part of the bench mob. And Pachulia would start until AL came back.

sigh...listen, this isn't video game land where if I put a PF at SF, the opposing team will guard him with a SF and we get a automatic mismatch.

A: If Luer is starting he is either A: On the block posting up with Josh on the perimeter(aka, not good) or he is on the perimeter and teams will just guar him with their SF and still have their PF on smith who is on the block.(AKA the same thing we have now).

B. Marvin Williams is a better defnder of SF's over Luer.
C: Marvin Williams is a better defender of SF's over Josh Smith.

Thus meaning that if you replace Marvin with Luer in the starting lineup, we get worse defensively with a glaring mismatch at the SF position no matter what you do. Step smith out there and the rim is un protected and Josh is trying to guard guys quicker than him on the perimeter. Put Luer out there and laugh as people blow by him and score at will. Luer also can't defend opposing PF's better than Smith.
Thus we create 2 mismatchs for other teams with this trade. We either have Smith on Deng and Luer on Boozer(NO) or vice versa(deng would destroy Luer) or we get Smith on Lebron and Luer on Bosh(NO!!!) and both would get destroyed.

The only good part of these scenarios is Drew Gooden off the bench, but for that contract, he isn't worth it. You would make the team considerably worse with either of these trades.

[Superiorblogman]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

While being as polite as I can be I would like to point out that you should do research before posting. Mo Williams has another year on his contract for a amount that would put the Hawks over the luxury next year. End of discussion, the only way it would work is that you take some salary back for next year.

[LOJ]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

While being as polite as I can be I would like to point out that you should do research before posting. Mo Williams has another year on his contract for a amount that would put the Hawks over the luxury next year. End of discussion, the only way it would work is that you take some salary back for next year.

While being as polite as I can be I would like to point out that I already addressed that Mo has an extra year on his contract. As far as luxury tax goes, aren't the Hawks in full win-now mode? Mo would be a huge scoring upgrade off the bench for you guys.

[Rip2137]

Huge? He is averaging 13 points a game while playing starter minutes. He wouldn't give us anything that Willie Green isn't giving us. only green is costing 10 times less money.

[LOJ]

14 ppg on 40% from beyond the arc. Along with 4 assists

Apart from scoring he can make plays for others as well.

[Superiorblogman]

Mo Williams for Kirk Hinrich, T-Mac, and a 1st?

Mo is a 6th man of the year candidate, playing very well off the bench, and is only on a 2 year contract. I want the expiring for next year so we can keep JR Smith, K-Mart, and Evans.

While being as polite as I can be I would like to point out that you should do research before posting. Mo Williams has another year on his contract for a amount that would put the Hawks over the luxury next year. End of discussion, the only way it would work is that you take some salary back for next year.

While being as polite as I can be I would like to point out that I already addressed that Mo has an extra year on his contract. As far as luxury tax goes, aren't the Hawks in full win-now mode? Mo would be a huge scoring upgrade off the bench for you guys.

While being polite as I can be you obviously did little to no research if you think the Hawks are a team willing to go into the luxury tax for Mo Williams. They have been quoted several times saying that they would for the right player. They passed on Shaq because he would take them into the luxury but you think they are going to go deep into it for Mo Williams. Lastly, the Hawks are never in full win now mode if it means win at all financial cost. They did not re-sign Jamal Crawford who cost less than Mo for financial reasons. He was a actual 6th man of the year winner.

[ATL Boy]

Mostly because he is Mo Williams and he isn't worth 2 contributing players and a first round draft pic.

Basically this is all the elaborating I have to do.
THX Rip