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Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF?

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What is Jimmy's main position?

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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#21 » by Carl25 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:33 am

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LVBrian wrote:The people in this thread, just dont understand basketball. Rip is 6'7 191....and he's a BIG SG. Butler Is 6'7 220-230. He's not guarding SG!!! Not for more than 5 minutes. Not to mention, everything I see, SCREAMS, lack of outside offense, which SCREAMS, defensive SF.


Would you consider Ronnie Brewer to be a SG or a SF?


Same. Sf. He can play both. Best position is SF, although I believe he's def smaller than JB.


I can't take your opinion seriously when you say Jimmy Butler is bigger than Ronnie Brewer.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#22 » by CousinOfDeath » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:36 am

SG and SF are basically the same position.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#23 » by TeamMan » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:36 am

Actually, I think that the Bulls drafted JB as a replacement for Bogans, and that's why they were so quick to push KB out the door. Part of that is that JB was one of the best Spot-Up NBA 3-point shooters in the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201 ... ults-3726/
www.draftexpress.com wrote:Spot-Up NBA Three-Pointers (25 Attempts)Top-5
Andrew Goudelock 19
Jimmer Fredette 18
Isaiah Thomas 18
Charles Jenkins 18
Jimmy Butler 18

Jimmy Butler makes a somewhat surprising appearance here. He exceeded expectations in the athletic testing, and if he can hit catch and shoot threes like he did at the combine, he'll only add to his resume as a prototypical role-player on both ends of the floor. The Landry Fields comparisons continue.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#24 » by Payt10 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:36 am

LVBrian wrote:He's a SF. It's not debatable and 90 percent of his career will be spent at sf.

Well since you said it, it must be true. Might as well lock up the thread.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#25 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:42 am

Not a bad idea.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#26 » by JonnySharp » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:16 am

Right now more of a SF. If he develops his shooting well then he's more a SG.

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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#27 » by TeamMan » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:23 am

TeamMan wrote:Actually, I think that the Bulls drafted JB as a replacement for Bogans, and that's why they were so quick to push KB out the door. Part of that is that JB was one of the best Spot-Up NBA 3-point shooters in the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201 ... ults-3726/
www.draftexpress.com wrote:Spot-Up NBA Three-Pointers (25 Attempts)Top-5
Andrew Goudelock 19
Jimmer Fredette 18
Isaiah Thomas 18
Charles Jenkins 18
Jimmy Butler 18

Jimmy Butler makes a somewhat surprising appearance here. He exceeded expectations in the athletic testing, and if he can hit catch and shoot threes like he did at the combine, he'll only add to his resume as a prototypical role-player on both ends of the floor. The Landry Fields comparisons continue.

Also, went back and checked, and his rookie stats (if you project out his PT) pretty closely match his 1st-year stats with Marquette. The major exception is his FT% which is carrying over from his senior year.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jim ... 315/stats/

And continuing with the Bogans (6'5, 215) comparison, JB is 6'7", 220 and IMO just as quick as Bogans with both his feet and his hands.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#28 » by Ben » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:30 am

LVBrian wrote:He's a SF. It's not debatable and 90 percent of his career will be spent at sf. Every players height and weight are exaggerated. Comparing him to to JJ is laughable, considering JJ has the total offensive package at SG, and butler has almost none.


1.) Why are you being so aggressive and condescending?

2.) I compared Butler and Joe Johnson in terms of their measurements, not their offensive packages, because you were claiming that Butler's measurements rendered him unable to defend shooting guards. There was nothing laughable about the numbers that I compared. The pre-draft measurements don't exaggerate anyone's height and weight.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joe-Johnson-3013/

Butler: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.25"
Johnson: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.75"

Butler: Weight, 215 pounds
Johnson: Weight, 226 pounds

Butler: Wingspan, 6'8"
Johnson: Wingspan, 6'9"

If Johnson can defend shooting guards at essentially the same height and a higher weight than Butler, then there's no reason why Butler's height and weight should disqualify him from defending shooting guards.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#29 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:33 am

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LVBrian wrote:He's a SF. It's not debatable and 90 percent of his career will be spent at sf. Every players height and weight are exaggerated. Comparing him to to JJ is laughable, considering JJ has the total offensive package at SG, and butler has almost none.


1.) Why are you being so aggressive and condescending?

2.) I compared Butler and Joe Johnson in terms of their measurements, not their offensive packages, because you were claiming that Butler's measurements rendered him unable to defend shooting guards. There was nothing laughable about the numbers that I compared. The pre-draft measurements don't exaggerate anyone's height and weight.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joe-Johnson-3013/

Butler: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.25"





Because I'm sure of my opinion and your response was weak. I'm sorry if I offended...
Johnson: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.75"

Butler: Weight, 215 pounds
Johnson: Weight, 226 pounds

Butler: Wingspan, 6'8"
Johnson: Wingspan, 6'9"

If Johnson can defend shooting guards at essentially the same height and a higher weight than Butler, then there's no reason why Butler's height and weight should disqualify him from defending shooting guards.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#30 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:36 am

No offense intended. Sorry. Aggressive is just me.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#31 » by Ben » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:36 am

LVBrian wrote:Because I'm sure of my opinion and your response was weak. I'm sorry if I offended...



My response was right on the money and so was my follow-up. You didn't address my points at all. Simply acting dismissive doesn't win you any points.

But no offense taken. I'm a big boy. :beer:
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#32 » by SpeedyWindRose » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:40 am

Ben B. wrote:
LVBrian wrote:He's a SF. It's not debatable and 90 percent of his career will be spent at sf. Every players height and weight are exaggerated. Comparing him to to JJ is laughable, considering JJ has the total offensive package at SG, and butler has almost none.


1.) Why are you being so aggressive and condescending?

2.) I compared Butler and Joe Johnson in terms of their measurements, not their offensive packages, because you were claiming that Butler's measurements rendered him unable to defend shooting guards. There was nothing laughable about the numbers that I compared. The pre-draft measurements don't exaggerate anyone's height and weight.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joe-Johnson-3013/

Butler: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.25"
Johnson: Height w/o shoes, 6' 6.75"

Butler: Weight, 215 pounds
Johnson: Weight, 226 pounds

Butler: Wingspan, 6'8"
Johnson: Wingspan, 6'9"

If Johnson can defend shooting guards at essentially the same height and a higher weight than Butler, then there's no reason why Butler's height and weight should disqualify him from defending shooting guards.

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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#33 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:40 am

Ben B. wrote:
LVBrian wrote:Because I'm sure of my opinion and your response was weak. I'm sorry if I offended...



My response was right on the money and so was my follow-up. You didn't address my points at all. Simply acting dismissive doesn't win you any points.

But no offense taken. I'm a big boy. :beer:


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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#34 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:44 am

Lol Good luck with the "finish". Few people on earth with my NBA knowledge. Probably just too sure.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#35 » by TeamBulls2386 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:28 am

On offense SF, On defense SG (if that makes any sense)
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#36 » by Flopper » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:32 am

I say he's more of a SG simply because his standing reach is only 8'5", which limits his ability to contest/block shots from taller players. For comparison, most of the good SF's in the league (Deng, Iggy, Gay, LBJ, Melo, Durant) have standing reaches that are in the 8'10" - 9'2" range. I feel pretty confident that the GarPax drafted him to be a cheap replacement for Brewer (defensive stopper off the bench) in the 2012-2013 season and beyond, so it really wouldn't make sense to bring him in to shutdown SFs if most can shoot right over him.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#37 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:33 am

TeamBulls2386 wrote:On offense SF, On defense SG (if that makes any sense)


Ok. It's more like on offense Sf. On defense, either. But I get your point.
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#38 » by TeamBulls2386 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:12 am

LVBrian wrote:
TeamBulls2386 wrote:On offense SF, On defense SG (if that makes any sense)


Ok. It's more like on offense Sf. On defense, either. But I get your point.



Yea.....see I knew somebody got my point :) said it even better
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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#39 » by LVBrian » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:21 am

TeamBulls2386 wrote:
LVBrian wrote:
TeamBulls2386 wrote:On offense SF, On defense SG (if that makes any sense)


Ok. It's more like on offense Sf. On defense, either. But I get your point.



Yea.....see I knew somebody got my point :) said it even better

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Re: Is Jimmy Butler a SG or a SF? 

Post#40 » by malcrk » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:22 am

Isn't he 6'5"


Clearly a shooting forward.

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