After Ricky Rubio, Jonas Valanciunas=International Superstar

UcanUwill · Post #181 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:57 pm

TOs doesnt really bothers me. I dont think its a big problem actually. There are 2 main mistakes he does.

1. Offensive fouls...

2. Sometimes he just runs straight into the defense, gets caught, then desperately tries to pass out, and losses the ball. Thats a TOs we talking about, he needs to fix that...

sisibilio · Post #182 » by **sisibilio** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:25 pm

Raptor_Claw wrote:Also, as far as young players that are currently playing in the Euroleague, that are either already drafted by an NBA team, or are still draft eligible are concerned, Mirotic, Valanciunas, and Motiejunas have already been mentioned. But I think that guys like Bogdanovic, Preldzic, Milan Macvan, Kostas Sloukas, and Kostas Papanikoloau should also be discussed. They all have some definite potential to become very good players. Shengelia and Aldemir also have potential. Joel Freeland is also a pretty solid player. Kyle Singler is doing a decent job also.

And maybe even someone like Nick Calathes. He's not a very good player in the Euroleague, but in all honesty, neither were Rubio, Lawson, and Jennings, and look what they are doing in the NBA. Point guards seem to really increase their stats by a lot, going from the Euroleague to the NBA. So, he might be another case like that, you never know.

And there are also some of those young players that didn't get drafted by the NBA to keep an eye on. Guys like Vorontsevich, Schved, Aradori, and Shermadini are already quite good players.

Out of all the names you mentioned i'd only bet for Freeland, Bogdanovic, Calathes and Shved to make a significant impact in the NBA one day. Preldzic is a great talent but i'm not sure his playing style can translate well there, and i haven't watched enough of Aldemir yet to form an opinion.

And of course, you forgot Mirotic.

UcanUwill wrote: Milan Macvan will prove he can play in the NBA. He may not be athletic, but hes skilled. Skills>athleticism.

To a certain extent. If he lacked athleticism but had legit size for his position like Mirotic i could agree but that's not the case.

Raptor_Claw · Post #183 » by **Raptor_Claw** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:I actually think all three guys has great potential. Those guys are elite european prospects. (not necessarily elite NBA talent of course). Can't wait to see all 3 of them in the NBA.

I wouldn't call any of them "elite" prospects by European standards. That's a definite exaggeration.

Raptor_Claw · Post #184 » by **Raptor_Claw** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:37 pm

sisibilio wrote:
Raptor_Claw wrote:Also, as far as young players that are currently playing in the Euroleague, that are either already drafted by an NBA team, or are still draft eligible are concerned, Mirotic, Valanciunas, and Motiejunas have already been mentioned. But I think that guys like Bogdanovic, Preldzic, Milan Macvan, Kostas Sloukas, and Kostas Papanikoloau should also be discussed. They all have some definite potential to become very good players. Shengelia and Aldemir also have potential. Joel Freeland is also a pretty solid player. Kyle Singler is doing a decent job also.

And maybe even someone like Nick Calathes. He's not a very good player in the Euroleague, but in all honesty, neither were Rubio, Lawson, and Jennings, and look what they are doing in the NBA. Point guards seem to really increase their stats by a lot, going from the Euroleague to the NBA. So, he might be another case like that, you never know.

And there are also some of those young players that didn't get drafted by the NBA to keep an eye on. Guys like Vorontsevich, Schved, Aradori, and Shermadini are already quite good players.

Out of all the names you mentioned i'd only bet for Freeland, Bogdanovic, Calathes and Shved to make a significant impact in the NBA one day. Preldzic is a great talent but i'm not sure his playing style can translate well there, and i haven't watched enough of Aldemir yet to form an opinion.

And of course, you forgot Mirotic.

UcanUwill wrote: Milan Macvan will prove he can play in the NBA. He may not be athletic, but hes skilled. Skills>athleticism.

To a certain extent. If he lacked athleticism but had legit size for his position like Mirotic i could agree but that's not the case.

When you are comparing Mirotic to Macvan, you have to also factor in how soft Mirotic is and how physical Macvan is. Also, Macvan isn't undersized for his position. Take a look at NBA power forwards around the whole league. Many of them are smaller than Macvan.

Johnny Firpo · Post #185 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:49 pm

Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:I actually think all three guys has great potential. Those guys are elite european prospects. (not necessarily elite NBA talent of course). Can't wait to see all 3 of them in the NBA.

I wouldn't call any of them "elite" prospects by European standards. That's a definite exaggeration.

Why? They were the best Europe had to offer last year, all 3 had lottery potential imo, Jonas made it to the top 5, Moti was also considered a lottery pick for a long time, and well, Mirotic has great potential as well. Tell me prospects that was considered better at the time they were drafted, and please, don't tell Dirk, or even Parker.

Sabonis obviously, but it's really rare the US media considers a euro prospect as can't miss. Part of it is because they're biased toward american prospects, obviously, despite the fact that euro prospects has just as good of a chance to pan out, if i remember correctly about that article.

Raptor_Claw · Post #186 » by **Raptor_Claw** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:12 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:I actually think all three guys has great potential. Those guys are elite european prospects. (not necessarily elite NBA talent of course). Can't wait to see all 3 of them in the NBA.

I wouldn't call any of them "elite" prospects by European standards. That's a definite exaggeration.

Why? They were the best Europe had to offer last year, all 3 had lottery potential imo, Jonas made it to the top 5, Moti was also considered a lottery pick for a long time, and well, Mirotic has great potential as well. Tell me prospects that was considered better at the time they were drafted, and please, don't tell Dirk, or even Parker.

Sabonis obviously, but it's really rare the US media considers a euro prospect as can't miss. Part of it is because they're biased toward american prospects, obviously, despite the fact that euro prospects has just as good of a chance to pan out, if i remember correctly about that article.

To me, elite implies something that is beyond the level of those players. I cannot consider any of those three as "elite". Maybe from the NBA POV they are, since they were first round draft picks.

Yoga · Post #187 » by **Yoga** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:05 pm

Lithuanian league (LKL) statistics.

Jonas Valančiūnas being Jonas Valančiūnas :

1st. in efficiency (23.3)
1st. in points per game (15.8)
2nd. in FG% (71.1%)
4th. in fouls drawn (4.8)
6th. in FT% (85.25%)
6th. in rebounds per game (7.4)
2nd. in Off. rebounds per game (2.9)
1st. in blocks per game (2)

Meanwhile, 47th. in minutes per game (23:18)

sisibilio · Post #188 » by **sisibilio** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:13 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:I actually think all three guys has great potential. Those guys are elite european prospects. (not necessarily elite NBA talent of course). Can't wait to see all 3 of them in the NBA.

I wouldn't call any of them "elite" prospects by European standards. That's a definite exaggeration.

Why?

Because he's a renowned troll looking for attention.

kingkim123 · Post #189 » by **kingkim123** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:34 am

Next Tim Duncan. Book it.

droponov · Post #190 » by **droponov** » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:36 am

Not the next Tim Duncan, but certainly an elite prospect.

I clearly put him in a level above Mačvan and Mirotic (from a NBA perspective).

Twoism · Post #191 » by **Twoism** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:31 pm

I hope so.

Meanwhile Jonas named FIBA Europe's top young player, and this convalidate this topic.

Yoga · Post #192 » by **Yoga** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:59 pm

kiriux wrote:Game vs Prokom starts in 5 minutes

http://tv.lrytas.lt/live/

Val vs D-Mo

lothy · Post #193 » by **lothy** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:28 pm

Omg so much potential

Yoga · Post #194 » by **Yoga** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:11 am

WT:

Jonas Valanciunas and Lietuvos Rytas defeated Donatas Motiejunas and Asseco Prokom by a 59-54 final on Monday in a VTB United League..

Valanciunas had 13 points on 10 shots to go with 14 rebounds (six offensive) and four blocks.

Motiejunas had 10 points and nine rebounds, but shot just 2-for-9 from the floor.

Mefisto · Post #195 » by **Mefisto** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:No, not really. Upside is Gortat IMO

Hater, Val is already much better than Gortat, not even close.

Mefisto · Post #196 » by **Mefisto** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:No, not really. Upside is Gortat IMO

Hater, Val is already much better than scrub Gortat.

Mefisto · Post #197 » by **Mefisto** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:11 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:Bargnani can give Valancunas all the room he wants and it wont matter.His post game is really clumsy,he's relying on pgs to create easy baskets for him..I dont get why ppl get upset with the Gortat comparison.Gortat is an excellent center,i see his ceiling as a Gortat/Spener Hawes type of player,no way he turns into a superstar.

Ohh, jelous serb's comment. Don't worry, his carreer will be better than all current serbian centers combined.

Yoga · Post #198 » by **Yoga** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:47 pm

witnessraps · Post #199 » by **witnessraps** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:54 pm

Mefisto wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:No, not really. Upside is Gortat IMO

Hater, Val is already much better than scrub Gortat.

Yeah, Gortat is far from a scrub. He can put up 20-10 on any given night.

Kahn_2001 · Post #200 » by **Kahn_2001** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:05 pm

I'd be more than happy if he turned into Gortat, that guys is a beast. If this kid can have close to the impact that Rubio has had, the Raptors will be a playoff team.