Why don't the Jays upgrade at DH? + discussion with Wilner

[satyr9]

Stl in Carpenter starts in 2011: 16-18
Tor in Romero starts in 2011: 18-14

Carpenter is better than Romero. I said it before and I'm saying it again. But Carpenter's performance in 2011 for his team is not that different than what Romero can give you and that performance was enough to help the Cards make the playoffs and win the freaking WS.

[BobbyBoy]

You HAVE to factor in the AL East factor. The bluejays are a top 2 team in almost every division. The offence is great on the red sox and the Yankees. The yankees and red sox can out hit almost every team in the league.
http://2011-mlb-team.pikimal.com/top/10/offense
The top 5 are in the AL, meaning Romero faces the top 5 offenses in MLB more than carpenter. But in general carpenter is better. I'm just saying Romero isn't as that far behind him.

[flatjacket1]

I believe Edwin has shown good enough flashes in his career to be a DH in the AL East. Posada hit terribly for the Yankees and they still managed to compile much more wins.

Trying to use a stopgap who may or may not be worse (most of those players are so old that they are on the verge of falling of a cliff production wise) than Edwin will still take valuable PA away from an streaky hitter who if he figures everything out, will be a force at his position.

Edwin finished 8th in fWAR at DH last year, tied with Damon at 1.5. That was with his struggles both in the field (I'm pretty sure that's included in his WAR calculations, even though it was a very short period of time) and with the bat (look at his first half stats).

Theoretically, Damon should regress more than Edwin which also puts Edwin above Damon. Frankly the only player listed that COULD be better than Edwin is Manny, who missed a whole year of action, showed no production in his short 2010 campaign, is known for PED's, has to sit out for a ton of games and beats his wife.

Personally I think its a bad question. Sure he isn't nearly the David Ortiz level of hitter but only the Red Sox's had a DH with more WAR than Edwin (Tampa Bay tied with Edwin).

I am happy with the current roster and think its a good time to lock it in, wait a year, and reassess. We tried to improve out roster this offseason, but players chose smaller contracts to play elsewhere. Next offseason there is plenty of reasons to think it will turn out differently, and even if it doesn't, we should expect huge improvements from our young roster starting to hit their primes.

[ballislife]

I would love to see Manny here as our DH... it could do well from a marketing perspective to.

[flatjacket1]

I would love to see Manny here as our DH... it could do well from a marketing perspective to.

The 40 year old who just got on base 1/17 times last season before getting busted for PED's and later beat his wife. 2009 was the last time he had more fWAR than Edwin.

He's a guy I could cheer for easily.

I trust the Jays talent evaluators enough that if they sign him, he can still hit. I just don't think he is a good guy to market.

[CapeCrusader]

Carpenter is a former Cy Young winner and arguably a top 5 pitcher when healthy

Romero is closer to Garcia than Carpenter


Remember that epic battle in the playoffs between Halladay and Carpenter?

Romero aint on that level...

At this point in their careers. I think Romero has the edge, not by much though. Carpenter when healthy WAS a top 5 pitcher. The guy is 37 right now and doesn't even crack the top 10 right now when healthy.

But I agree with the argument above about the two pitchers.

[UN-Owen]

Carpenter is a former Cy Young winner and arguably a top 5 pitcher when healthy

Romero is closer to Garcia than Carpenter


Remember that epic battle in the playoffs between Halladay and Carpenter?

Romero aint on that level...

At this point in their careers. I think Romero has the edge, not by much though. Carpenter when healthy WAS a top 5 pitcher. The guy is 37 right now and doesn't even crack the top 10 right now when healthy.

But I agree with the argument above about the two pitchers.

Sure, I may have been a little generous with the top 5 label

3 years ago Carpenter went 17 - 4 with a 2.24 ERA and 1.01 WHIP

I don't ever see Romero being that dominant

[Wo1verine]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

[BobbyBoy]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

This is a make it or break it year for him. If he can a great season, like what his second half was, he might be a good option. But I would love to see Ortiz here. He just signed with the red sox, so maybe we can pull off a trade. Ortiz is a lefty, so we can still do a righty lefty kinda thing. Plus he is a great bat behind Jose.

[flatjacket1]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

If he repeats last season this year I still think hes good enough to DH in at AL East as he tied in second in fWAR for DH's last (In the AL East) season.

If he plays all year like the 2nd half of last season he is a 4-6 WAR DH.

[JaysRangers]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

Thank you.

[BobbyBoy]

Ask Wilner about Ortiz.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

As opposed to the poster's original thoughts of getting Manny or Derrek Lee?

[BobbyBoy]

Lee would be okay. He can play first...i don't know if he can play it well though.

[JaysRangers]

Our fanbase has been expecting EE breakout for years now, and it hasn't happened! I think we just have to accept who he is, and that's someone who probably shouldn't be in our plans after this year.

As opposed to the poster's original thoughts of getting Manny or Derrek Lee?

Lee is worth serious consideration over EE.

As i explained a spring training invite is good enough for Man Ram for me.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

For what reason? Lee's shown he's much more comfortable in the NL, and basically had the same numbers as EE. We don't need Lee or ManRam. If you're going to get another lefty bat you want a leigitimate hitter who can bat behind Jose.

[JaysRangers]

For what reason? Lee's shown he's much more comfortable in the NL, and basically had the same numbers as EE. We don't need Lee or ManRam. If you're going to get another lefty bat you want a leigitimate hitter who can bat behind Jose.

His track record and his talent.

I would prefer Matsui, Vlad, Damon over both however.