Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[queridiculo]

Just curious, Wiz fans. Would you give up our unprotected pick for Lamarcus Aldridge? Are you that sure Anthony Davis is a superstar that you wouldn't give up a 12%ish shot at him?

Would you give up McGee and the pick for Aldridge? Seems pricey but I don't know if Portland would even go for that unless they went in to full-on tank/rebuild mode.

That trade is a complete no-brainer to me.

Aside from adding a legit two way big, it removes the burden of projecting McGee's NBA future, gives us that second player to play alongside Wall and more importantly, gives us instant credibility as a destination for NBA vets/free agents.

It's easy to fall in love with some of the guys in this years draft class, but even with the amount of upside somebody like Davis has, we'd still be stuck with having to wait for him develop an NBA body and an NBA game.

You add LA, and with a few shrewd offseason moves you have an instant playoff team in the East. Gortat playing alongside Aldridge would give us a pretty formidable front court, and a team that features a legit post player may even make the resigning of Nick Young tenable.

Something tells me he may be far more effective shooting spot jumpers catching balls out of the post than he is in his current roll where he constantly ends up shooting contested jumpers.

I don't care how big the upside of some of those rooks have, that move is a franchise changer.

[rl25g]

Two trades I'd make :

Was sends : Blatche, Turiaf, Crawford
Det sends: Gordon, filler

Was sends: Lewis, Seraphin, 2nd
NO sends: Okafor, Ariza

Next year going into the draft out lineup would be :

Wall/Mack
(Barnes)/ Gordon
Ariza/Singleton
Booker/Vesley
Mcgee/Okafor

[Higga]

I'd trade our pick for LA no problem. He's already proven to be a very good player(just short of elite, a 4 on a scale of 1-5)and he's still young. A guy we draft could be better, but odds are they'll be much worse.

[LyricalRico]

Two trades I'd make :

Was sends : Blatche, Turiaf, Crawford
Det sends: Gordon, filler

Was sends: Lewis, Seraphin, 2nd
NO sends: Okafor, Ariza

Next year going into the draft out lineup would be :

Wall/Mack
(Barnes)/ Gordon
Ariza/Singleton
Booker/Vesley
Mcgee/Okafor

Agree on the first one. I posted that exact deal a few weeks ago. I would also offer the same Blatche+Turiaf+Crawford package for Okafor. But I don't think you can add both of them to the cap, much less Ariza, without some other value involved.

[LyricalRico]

^ How about this for added value in a 4-way?

Wizards trade: Lewis, Blatche, Turiaf, McGee, Seraphin, Crawford
Wizards receive: Okafor, Belinelli, Gordon, Maxiell, DWill

Pistons trade: Gordon, Maxiell
Pistons receive: Blatche, Turiaf, Tolliver

Hornets trade: Okafor, Ariza, Belinelli
Hornets receive: Lewis, Seraphin, W.Johnson

Wolves trade: DWill, W.Johnson, Tolliver
Wolves receive: Ariza, McGee, Crawford

Complicated but effective IMO. Works if we end up in a draft spot where we take a wing:

Okafor
DWill
(lotto pick)
Gordon
Wall

That's 3 high lotto picks in the starting lineup along with steady vets, plus a young bench that hustles and defends.

[nate33]

Two trades I'd make :

Was sends : Blatche, Turiaf, Crawford
Det sends: Gordon, filler

Was sends: Lewis, Seraphin, 2nd
NO sends: Okafor, Ariza

Next year going into the draft out lineup would be :

Wall/Mack
(Barnes)/ Gordon
Ariza/Singleton
Booker/Vesley
Mcgee/Okafor

That's an awful lot of salary to give up for only a marginal improvement in depth. The first trade is reasonable because it's basically a trade of Blatche for Gordon. But after that, I think we'd be better off simply shopping for a free agent big this summer rather than taking on the massive salaries of Ariza and Okafor.

If all else fails, we could probably amnesty Lewis and then buy Okafor off of New Orleans this summer by offering raw cap space. At least that way, we're not stuck with Ariza.

[J-Blaze]

is there a way we can get michael beasley before the trade deadline, im a big beasley fan and think he would help the much needed scoring on this team, we can trade nick young or andray blatche for him because d williams needs more playing time there, i would love for beasley to come back home to DC and be our star with john wall

[TGW]

is there a way we can get michael beasley before the trade deadline, im a big beasley fan and think he would help the much needed scoring on this team, we can trade nick young or andray blatche for him because d williams needs more playing time there, i would love for beasley to come back home to DC and be our star with john wall

Absolutely not. Keep the knuckleheads away. Unless Blatche is going out, no chance would I trade for that chump.

[Wallbeliever]

Thinking about Okafor, I think this trade gives us tons of flexibility while still making us a better team, we would definitely need another scorer

Trade:
Was sends: Lewis, Vesely, Crawford, 2013 Top 3 protected pick
NO sends: Kaman, Okafor, MINN 2012 pk

Assuming we pay McGee, we look like this before the draft

PG Wall/Mack
SG
SF Singleton
PF Okafor /Booker
C Mcgee/Seraphin

We would have our pk and # 14 courtesy of MINN, Amnesty Blatche, Pay McGee and have around 15 million in cap room.

[nate33]

Thinking about Okafor, I think this trade gives us tons of flexibility while still making us a better team, we would definitely need another scorer

Trade:
Was sends: Lewis, Vesely, Crawford, 2013 Top 3 protected pick
NO sends: Kaman, Okafor, MINN 2012 pk

Assuming we pay McGee, we look like this before the draft

PG Wall/Mack
SG
SF Singleton
PF Okafor /Booker
C Mcgee/Seraphin

We would have our pk and # 14 courtesy of MINN, Amnesty Blatche, Pay McGee and have around 15 million in cap room.

I just don't understand half of these trades. Take out the expiring contracts and replaceable players, and this is essentially trading Vesely plus what will probably a pick in the 6-10 range for Okafor and a pick in the 12-16 range. That's just stupid.

[Dat2U]

Not interested at all in trading the pick before the lottery. And especially the pick AND McGee. It's just a non-starter in my book.

A 12% chance of landing Davis means a 12% at legitimate championship aspirations for years to come. Trading that pick for Aldridge reduces those chances significantly. We might be pretty good, but we wouldn't be championship caliber.

After the lottery it may be a different story. Outside of Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist, I'd probably be willing to trade the pick for a youngish all-star quality player.

That's a lot of faith in Davis. I'm not saying it's not justified. I can't tell the future.

But Aldridge is a legit star. He's only 26. He's already one of the best bigs in the game, and of the elite bigs he's one of the youngest. He's locked in for three more seasons are reasonable money for his production. He's big enough to play some center (he does) and could easily play alongside Booker or Vesely if either proves worth of big NBA minutes.

While he runs well and is very strong, his game isn't predicated on being able to leap over people. He should age very well. He and Wall would be one of the best 1-2 cores in the history of the franchise.

McGee? I like him and root for him. He continues to tantalize and frustrate. He still struggles mightily on the defensive end other than blocking shots. I think it's more likely that he'll be some form of this player for the rest of his career than the light magically going on him becoming consistent, reliable and productive.

I tend to doubt that Portand would even consider Mcgee/our pick for Aldridge. But if they would listen, I think I'd have to make that deal, At some point, you take the money and stop wondering what the mystery prize is behind the curtain.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on Aldridge, but I'm against trading the pick at all until we know exactly what it is. If were talking about the 4th pick for Aldridge then certaintly that's probably a deal I'd make.

But I'd prefer Davis over Aldridge. Even if it's only a 12% shot at it, I'd rather wait and see if we can hit the jackpot.

[Dat2U]

Not the biggest Eric Bledsoe fan, and I'd rather have a pick, but I think the chances of Nick getting dealt are helped by the Clips potentially losing out on J.R. Smith.

[Wallbeliever]

Thinking about Okafor, I think this trade gives us tons of flexibility while still making us a better team, we would definitely need another scorer

Trade:
Was sends: Lewis, Vesely, Crawford, 2013 Top 3 protected pick
NO sends: Kaman, Okafor, MINN 2012 pk

Assuming we pay McGee, we look like this before the draft

PG Wall/Mack
SG
SF Singleton
PF Okafor /Booker
C Mcgee/Seraphin

We would have our pk and # 14 courtesy of MINN, Amnesty Blatche, Pay McGee and have around 15 million in cap room.

I just don't understand half of these trades. Take out the expiring contracts and replaceable players, and this is essentially trading Vesely plus what will probably a pick in the 6-10 range for Okafor and a pick in the 12-16 range. That's just stupid.

Fair enough, whatever the deal may be, trading Lewis is preferred IMO, amnestying Blatche needs to occur this offseason for many reasons.

Gaining an asset for Lewis would be nice even if we have to throw in another player/pk to make it happen.

[Dat2U]

Why is trading Lewis preferred???

I'd prefer we just buy him out. I'm not viewing his deal as some kind of massiveasset because we'd only be bringing back another huge contract in return.

[verbal8]

Why is trading Lewis preferred???

I'd prefer we just buy him out. I'm not viewing his deal as some kind of massive asset because we'd only be bringing back another huge contract in return.

I think Orlando and LA are the only teams with enough significant bad contracts to be interested in using Lewis' deal as an "eraser".

Maybe Charlotte, but their possible incentives are either too valuable or not much better that the Wizards current young players.

[Wallbeliever]

Why is trading Lewis preferred???

I'd prefer we just buy him out. I'm not viewing his deal as some kind of massiveasset because we'd only be bringing back another huge contract in return.

We need to gain a starter as I dont believe we are going to get many free agents interested at this time even with the Lewis money. I would throw in future draft pks or players for a legit starter.

I would be looking to take back around half his salary plus expirings in exchange for the right player?

The ability to use the amnesty on Blatche cannot be undervalued from both a development and organizational prospective.

[mhd]

Unless we'd be getting a good pick in this draft, trading Lewis is a no-go. We'd be better off buying him out and saving the amnesty on Blatche. We actually have 2 amnesty provisions when you think about it.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Not interested at all in trading the pick before the lottery. And especially the pick AND McGee. It's just a non-starter in my book.

A 12% chance of landing Davis means a 12% at legitimate championship aspirations for years to come. Trading that pick for Aldridge reduces those chances significantly. We might be pretty good, but we wouldn't be championship caliber.

After the lottery it may be a different story. Outside of Davis and Kidd-Gilchrist, I'd probably be willing to trade the pick for a youngish all-star quality player.

That's a lot of faith in Davis. I'm not saying it's not justified. I can't tell the future.

But Aldridge is a legit star. He's only 26. He's already one of the best bigs in the game, and of the elite bigs he's one of the youngest. He's locked in for three more seasons are reasonable money for his production. He's big enough to play some center (he does) and could easily play alongside Booker or Vesely if either proves worth of big NBA minutes.

While he runs well and is very strong, his game isn't predicated on being able to leap over people. He should age very well. He and Wall would be one of the best 1-2 cores in the history of the franchise.

McGee? I like him and root for him. He continues to tantalize and frustrate. He still struggles mightily on the defensive end other than blocking shots. I think it's more likely that he'll be some form of this player for the rest of his career than the light magically going on him becoming consistent, reliable and productive.

I tend to doubt that Portand would even consider Mcgee/our pick for Aldridge. But if they would listen, I think I'd have to make that deal, At some point, you take the money and stop wondering what the mystery prize is behind the curtain.

I don't necessarily disagree with you on Aldridge, but I'm against trading the pick at all until we know exactly what it is. If were talking about the 4th pick for Aldridge then certaintly that's probably a deal I'd make.

But I'd prefer Davis over Aldridge. Even if it's only a 12% shot at it, I'd rather wait and see if we can hit the jackpot.

Just to chime in, although I doubt Portland would trade Aldridge...

What about this?

Lewis, McGee, 1st round pick to Portland for LA & Gerald Wallace

Follow that with Singleton, Seraphin, Crawford, Blatche to NO for Okafor.


Leaves us a starting frontcourt of Okafor, Aldridge, Wallace with Booker & Vesely off the bench.

[queridiculo]

Teams generally don't part with productive bigs and they most certainly don't part with franchise caliber bigs. I'm loving all those trade scenarios including Aldridge, but I simply cannot come up with a single reason why Portland would even entertain an offer that doesn't net a legit franchise player in return.

Still nice to day dream..

[Jimmy Recard]

Captain Jack anyone?