Would FO go after Lin in free agency?

Post #1 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:12 pm

If Nash leaves, do you think the Suns would make Lin a significant offer to trump what NY can offer (max they can offer is $5M). If he keeps playing this well, do you think he is worth $8-$10M a year? Do you think he would leave the Knicks if he were offered quite a bit more to play elsewhere? It will be interesting because Fields is also an unrestricted free agent. I'm not sure how much they can offer him, or if re-signing either of those guys impacts how much they can offer the other since they have both their Bird rights.

gaspar · Post #2 » by **gaspar** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:30 pm

IIRC $5M is the max anyone can offer Lin, not just the Knicks.

Post #3 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:36 pm

gaspar wrote:IIRC $5M is the max anyone can offer Lin, not just the Knicks.

Why is that? So they don't end up making more money than the top picks from that draft class? I guess Wall will make less than $6M next year.

Dalerax · Post #4 » by **Dalerax** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:52 pm

From what I recall of this answer being asked everywhere lately, the max anyone can offer is around $5mil, and NY can match any offer made. So I believe that NY would basically have to let him walk if he were to play somewhere else next season... and they won't let that happen.

jleckie602 · Post #5 » by **jleckie602** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:59 pm

If nash is so loyal to the Phoenix suns, Management should talk to him about letting us trade him before deadline for younger prospects. Trade him to a contender team possibly win a championship and then resign him back in free agency at the Mid Level. I wonder if any one has gone to him about that. Doesnt look like we are going to get a high draft pick the way we are trying to contend right now. Possibly do a package trade involving chilly or warrick rolo or who ever along those lines with our 1st and get some Young talent that we know can evolve to something bigger. Just my 2 cents.

gaspar · Post #6 » by **gaspar** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:59 pm

Here is a good article about Lin's contract status.

RunSunRun · Post #7 » by **RunSunRun** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:17 pm

No chance at getting Lin, zero percent, none nada zilch

Knicks will retain him with their MLE and will probably talk extension whenever they can. They'd be the dumbest franchise in the league to give up Lin, even if he does fall back down to Earth.

Revived · Post #8 » by **Revived** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:44 am

If Lin was smart, instead of signing a cheap $5 million per year long term deal with the Knicks, he should just take the $2.7 QO and then become an unrestricted FA after next season and sign a max contract with either the Knicks or someone else.

grumpysaddle · Post #9 » by **grumpysaddle** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:00 am

sunsfan88 wrote:If Lin was smart, instead of signing a cheap $5 million per year long term deal with the Knicks, he should just take the $2.7 QO and then become an unrestricted FA after next season and sign a max contract with either the Knicks or someone else.

Well... Lin did graduate from Harvard with Honors so...

RunDogGun · Post #10 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:36 am

grumpysaddle wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:If Lin was smart, instead of signing a cheap $5 million per year long term deal with the Knicks, he should just take the $2.7 QO and then become an unrestricted FA after next season and sign a max contract with either the Knicks or someone else.

Well... Lin did graduate from Harvard with Honors so...

I wish it had something to do with his smarts, but I think he can only do a two to three year deal, with a max amount like the others have said. And I haven't read anything about a qualifying offer available.

grumpysaddle · Post #11 » by **grumpysaddle** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:42 am

RunDogGun wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:If Lin was smart, instead of signing a cheap $5 million per year long term deal with the Knicks, he should just take the $2.7 QO and then become an unrestricted FA after next season and sign a max contract with either the Knicks or someone else.

Well... Lin did graduate from Harvard with Honors so...

I wish it had something to do with his smarts, but I think he can only do a two to three year deal, with a max amount like the others have said. And I haven't read anything about a qualifying offer available.

I was mostly joking.

RunDogGun · Post #12 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:10 am

grumpysaddle wrote:
I was mostly joking.

I didn't really mean to quote you, but you keep quoting people on my ignore list.

Post #13 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:48 am

A max deal for Lin? Seriously?

RunDogGun · Post #14 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:54 am

lilfishi22 wrote:A max deal for Lin? Seriously?

He can't get one. The only way it could happen is if NY renounces his rights, and a team was higher than Sarver and B&B last summer (2010).

Post #15 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:59 am

RunDogGun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:A max deal for Lin? Seriously?

He can't get one. The only way it could happen is if NY renounces his rights, and a team was higher than Sarver and B&B last summer (2010).

So basically an impossibility. Our FO were *pretty* baked.

nevetsov · Post #16 » by **nevetsov** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:42 am

Would we be interested though? Hell yes, think of the Chinese revenue.

MathiasPW · Post #17 » by **MathiasPW** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:44 am

signing a player that is at the max of the hype now when his track record really shows nothing of consistent stellar play is risky as hell. Many players have had great years and then went back to being just standard players.

Yes, I've watched Lin play, it's awesome. I strongly suspect of NZT http://collider.com/bradley-cooper-limitless-viral/64248/ ...just saying people will be paying that as his standard level of play, which it might not be.

Cutter · Post #18 » by **Cutter** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:18 pm

Interesting Jeremy Lin article by CBA guru Larry Coon.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7583558/nba-how-new-york-knicks-keep-jeremy-lin

Note Larry's comment at the end of the article concerning the Knicks getting Steve Nash.

As we all start to wonder whether to declare Linglish the national language, the big question on the minds of Knicks fans has quickly turned from "Is this guy for real?" to "How do we keep this guy?"

Jeremy Lin's rise from undrafted afterthought to the floor leader on one of the league's most popular franchises has happened in the blink of an eye. So it's unlikely the Knicks ever considered the second-year point guard in their long-term plans.

You can bet they're considering it now.

But the rest of the league also has their sights set on Lin -- to figure out how to stop him this season, and to perhaps try to sign him this summer.

For once, there's good news in Gotham.

Players who weren't first-round draft picks are subject to restricted free agency for their first three years in the NBA. If a team tries to snatch Lin away this summer, the Knicks will have the opportunity to snatch him back by matching that team's offer.

But having the opportunity is not the same thing as having the means. While restricted free agency gives the Knicks the right to keep their own player, they're on their own when it comes to finding the cap room. The Knicks do not have Lin's full Bird rights -- the mechanism that allows teams essentially to ignore the salary cap when re-signing their own players. It takes three years for full Bird rights to ramp up, and Lin's clock reset back to zero when New York claimed him on waivers.

Instead, the Knicks will have the one-year version of Bird rights, which only allows them to pay 120 percent of the minimum salary. That won't be good enough, as other teams' offers are sure to exceed that amount. To give Lin more money they will have to dip into their $5 million mid-level exception -- a good-news, bad-news proposition.

The good news is that they can use their mid-level to give Lin more money or match a larger offer. The bad news is that they won't be able to use their mid-level to bring in another player this summer.

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Will the Knicks have to say goodbye to Landry Fields if they decide to re-sign Jeremy Lin this summer?
But what if another team makes Lin an offer that exceeds the mid-level exception? Fortunately, the Knicks are protected here as well.

Teams are limited in the amounts they can offer to restricted free agents with fewer than three years in the league. This rule is called the "Gilbert Arenas provision," named after the point guard following Arenas' move from Golden State to Washington in 2003. Even though Arenas was a restricted free agent and the Warriors had the opportunity to keep him, the team did not have the means under the salary cap to match the offer sheet he received from the Wizards. At the time, Arenas had played two seasons in the league, and like the Knicks currently, could offer only the mid-level exception.

The Arenas provision was added to the rulebook in 2005, restricting the offers that teams can make to restricted free agents with one or two years in the league. Under the Arenas provision, the first-year salary in an offer sheet can't exceed the mid-level exception, which ensures that the Knicks will have the means to match any offer that Lin may receive.

Should they need them, the Knicks will have similar advantages the following offseason as well. If Lin re-signs for only one year, he will be a restricted free agent in 2013 and the Knicks will again have his Early-Bird rights -- so he'll be in the same situation as this summer. If he signs two one-year contracts with the Knicks, the club will have full Bird rights. And since any offer sheet Lin signs with another team must be for at least three years, it's likely that the Knicks can lock him up for the foreseeable future -- as long as they manage their finances well.

It's still possible for the Knicks to blow their opportunity. For example, if they use their mid-level exception on another player, they will no longer have enough to match a large offer for Lin. Also, if their total payroll exceeds the tax level by more than $4 million they will only have the smaller $3.09 million taxpayer version of the mid-level exception, and will not be able to match a higher offer. The Knicks are currently $10 million below the tax line, so this isn't a likely scenario . But it's something they need to keep in mind.

Landry Fields is also in a similar situation. A second-round pick in 2010, Fields will be a restricted free agent with two years in the league, and it's possible that another team will submit an offer starting at the mid-level in an attempt to lure him away. If they use their mid-level exception to keep Lin in the fold, do they have to waive goodbye to Fields?

Again, fortune is smiling on the Knicks. Lin's Bird clock reset when the Knicks claimed him on waivers, but Fields did not go through a similar process. Since Fields will have been with the Knicks for two seasons, they will hold the two-year version of his Bird rights, which is known as Early-Bird rights. As a result, they will be able to use their Early-Bird rights to match any offer another team could present to Fields under the Arenas provision.

So as far as Lin and Fields are concerned, the Knicks are safe. They won't be able to go out and sign a new player with their mid-level exception, so any plans to lure a free agent like Steve Nash to New York are now moot. But the Knicks will be able to keep Lin and Fields safely in the fold. This Linconceivable story can continue its run on Broadway.

So now it's time to go out and Lin one for the Gipper.

Larry Coon is the author of the NBA Salary Cap FAQ. Follow him on Twitter.

Orange_Blooded · Post #19 » by **Orange_Blooded** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:25 am

Who is this Jeremy Lin you speak of? I watch ESPN all the time and haven't heard of him.

Beetlejuice · Post #20 » by **Beetlejuice** » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:34 pm

Correct me if im wrong, but judging his deep faith and character so far, wouldnt he himself do everything to stay with the Knicks? And if he can openly turn down a bigger offer (is it allowed? ) to stay with the Knicks, then imagine the endorsment deals etc he gets, i imagine he can actually make a lot more more money staying with the Knicks while his NBA salarie is few million less with them than elsewhere. We know Knicks fans if he keeps up his high level of play and openly takes less money to stay there, they would go absolutely nuts.