OFFICIAL - Amare Must Go Thread (all hate here) #TRADESTAT

[biggyfuzz]

This is dumb...what a waste of time

[duetta]

I seriously doubt we will get anything of value back for Amare. The man is clearly breaking down and has an UNINSURED contract! He is almost flat-out un-tradeable!

I don't know it's that clear that he's breaking down - and Orlando allegedly asked about him at one point this season. The added weight could plausibly explain his lack of explosiveness, at least sufficiently to make him attractive to another GM.

[Priggy Smalls]

I seriously doubt we will get anything of value back for Amare. The man is clearly breaking down and has an UNINSURED contract! He is almost flat-out un-tradeable!

I don't know it's that clear that he's breaking down - and Orlando allegedly asked about him at one point this season. The added weight could plausibly explain his lack of explosiveness, at least sufficiently to make him attractive to another GM.

for reasons unknown to me philly called about him too so there is interest in him around the league.

[guardplay320]

I'm sure half of the fickle fans that are asking for his head were chanting MVP for him last year. He's a flawed player, but he brings too much to the table for a garbage thread like this to appear.

[moocow007]

Stoudemire will be at Starbury Anti-Christ level soon according to some of you guys. Whats hilarious is a good number of the "dump this bum" group after 31 games after coming off a back injuty is in the same group that kept chirping about giving DAntoni time after 23 even uglier games as head coach. Honestly, if you guys are going to be out for blood can you at least be consistent about it?

[Priggy Smalls]

I'm sure half of the fickle fans that are asking for his head were chanting MVP for him last year. He's a flawed player, but he brings too much to the table for a garbage thread like this to appear.

alright i'm all ears. now that we have tyson who sets better screens and is a better roll man what does amare's skillset provide us to justify his defense and his contract?

[DLTGWH]

I dunno where the myth comes from that Knick's fans are amongst the smartest, cuz you see threads like this and really its just embarrassing.

Lets all forget what he meant to the team last year, playing like an MVP, embracing New York City, playing passionate basketball after watching guys like Zach Randolph Eddy Curry and Steve Francis, playing with a broken back during the playoffs

Let's all forget that his brother just died

Where's the loyalty?

People who are crying to run him out of town are probably the same people crying about Eli Manning last season

[JBreezeNY]

If only I payed more attention to Stat's game in PHX smh....

But like a few of you guys in here I've made up my mind on Stat. He's done & I want him out ASAP. His contract is un-tradeable so we're pretty much gangraped but hopefully we can sucker a team into taking him.

His flaws deeply outweigh his positives:

Positives:

Can score the ball


Negatives:

Turns the ball over at a high rate
Easily gets called for offensive fouls
Has no sense of the word defense
Has horrible defensive awareness
Has NO post game
Has turned into a SF jump shooter
Has not been consistent this season
Still does not rebound well
Has some of the worst isolation possessions known to man


We're basically paying 100 million dollars for a broken down power forward to shoot the ball inconsistently.


Holy ****

All that needs to be said *kanye shrug*

We don't need his offense because we can clearly get it from other players, we're a better team defensively when he's not on the floor, the spacing is much better on the floor & we can get rebounds without him.

[knicksosmoove]

if amar'e would just try on defense and hustle more, he could be a net positive, but if we could trade him for a contract that's expiring this year or next, we should not hesitate to make that trade.

[guardplay320]

I'm sure half of the fickle fans that are asking for his head were chanting MVP for him last year. He's a flawed player, but he brings too much to the table for a garbage thread like this to appear.

alright i'm all ears. now that we have tyson who sets better screens and is a better roll man what does amare's skillset provide us to justify his defense and his contract?

Amare, when healthy, is a pretty damn good pick and roll guy also and he actually can extend defenses by hitting shots from more than 4 feet out (unlike Tyson). Also, he and Melo are the only true post up guys on our team. If we don't have guys hitting from the outside and the pick and roll is being stopped, are we going to iso with Melo all the time? Having Amare's abilities in the paint makes us a more complete team. We just need to keep his minutes reasonable and switch the pace with Jeffries, Novak and maybe Jorts when he comes back.

He's not worth his contract, particularly if we're getting this level of Amare for the remainder of the contract and not the guy we saw last year, but we will not get nearly the return to justify losing him. These whining threads need to stop.

[Native]

Man I hate this. We complain about players not being loyal to teams but what about fans being loyal to players.

Lets support our guys.

[H_20]

Man I hate this. We complain about players not being loyal to teams but what about fans being loyal to players.

Lets support our guys.

Hey, these same Knicks fans were also booing Patrick Ewing when he was declining. I love Lin and what he has done for this team but if he ever were to have a few bad games in a row, this forum will literally call for his head.

[Priggy Smalls]

I'm sure half of the fickle fans that are asking for his head were chanting MVP for him last year. He's a flawed player, but he brings too much to the table for a garbage thread like this to appear.

alright i'm all ears. now that we have tyson who sets better screens and is a better roll man what does amare's skillset provide us to justify his defense and his contract?

Amare, when healthy, is a pretty damn good pick and roll guy also and he actually can extend defenses by hitting shots from more than 4 feet out (unlike Tyson). Also, he and Melo are the only true post up guys on our team. If we don't have guys hitting from the outside and the pick and roll is being stopped, are we going to iso with Melo all the time? Having Amare's abilities in the paint makes us a more complete team. We just need to keep his minutes reasonable and switch the pace with Jeffries, Novak and maybe Jorts when he comes back.

He's not worth his contract, particularly if we're getting this level of Amare for the remainder of the contract and not the guy we saw last year, but we will not get nearly the return to justify losing him. These whining threads need to stop.

i can't believe you just said amare was a post-up guy. he's a faceup guy that can't dribble and telegraphs all his moves and he can't operate with his back to the basket.

as far as being a pnr guy goes amare slips every pick he goes to make and its just making life harder on lin. tyson on the other hand sets some of the hardest screens in the nba giving lin the separation he needs to make easy reads. lin went as far as waving amare off in crunch time the other night when he came to set a pick so he can call over tyson to do the same.

amare's role on this team as the go-to pnr guy has become redundant with tyson around his mid range game isn't nearly good enough to justify the porous defense you get from him every night. forget being worth his contract, he's not worth putting on the floor more often than not.

[gstevens]

I can't believe it's Amare's head everyones calling for...

[stuporman]

I'm behind Amar'e 100%, he's a Knick right now and I give him my full support. Although if the Lakers come calling and want to do a Gasol for Amar'e swap straight up the Knicks have to consider it. Gasol fits very well in NY even if his game has fallen off a little bit.

It's not like you'd be disrespecting Amar'e by sending him to a bottom dwelling team in the middle of nowhere. He'd be going to LA to play next to Kobe and playoff bound. It would definitely energize him a bit and not be a slight to him in any way.

[guardplay320]

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i can't believe you just said amare was a post-up guy. he's a faceup guy that can't dribble and telegraphs all his moves and he can't operate with his back to the basket.

as far as being a pnr guy goes amare slips every pick he goes to make and its just making life harder on lin. tyson on the other hand sets some of the hardest screens in the nba giving lin the separation he needs to make easy reads. lin went as far as waving amare off in crunch time the other night when he came to set a pick so he can call over tyson to do the same.

amare's role on this team as the go-to pnr guy has become redundant with tyson around his mid range game isn't nearly good enough to justify the porous defense you get from him every night. forget being worth his contract, he's not worth putting on the floor more often than not.

Amare plays face up, but he most definitely can post up, much more so than anyone except Melo on our team. His pick and roll game hasn't been strong this year even with the emergence of Lin, but we saw how good he could be last year. He's clearly not playing anywhere near 100% right now. The short season and full schedule has not been good for him. I can't defend his defense.

Tell me though - who do you expect to get for him in a trade? It's easy to make trades from your couch at home, but he has a huge contract, questionable health and is playing some of his worst basketball in years. You want to just give him away for an expiring and cut bait or do you actually expect to get some huge piece for him?

[Hodges4Three]

In today's game it was stunning to see how little lift Amare gets now...Something is definitely up. He looks like Zach Randolph out there. He was getting his shot stuffed, and when he tried to contest a Nowitzki 3 that ended in a foul he got off the ground maybe 6 inches or something....

[JBreezeNY]

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i can't believe you just said amare was a post-up guy. he's a faceup guy that can't dribble and telegraphs all his moves and he can't operate with his back to the basket.

as far as being a pnr guy goes amare slips every pick he goes to make and its just making life harder on lin. tyson on the other hand sets some of the hardest screens in the nba giving lin the separation he needs to make easy reads. lin went as far as waving amare off in crunch time the other night when he came to set a pick so he can call over tyson to do the same.

amare's role on this team as the go-to pnr guy has become redundant with tyson around his mid range game isn't nearly good enough to justify the porous defense you get from him every night. forget being worth his contract, he's not worth putting on the floor more often than not.

Amare plays face up, but he most definitely can post up, much more so than anyone except Melo on our team. His pick and roll game hasn't been strong this year even with the emergence of Lin, but we saw how good he could be last year. He's clearly not playing anywhere near 100% right now. The short season and full schedule has not been good for him. I can't defend his defense.

Tell me though - who do you expect to get for him in a trade? It's easy to make trades from your couch at home, but he has a huge contract, questionable health and is playing some of his worst basketball in years. You want to just give him away for an expiring and cut bait or do you actually expect to get some huge piece for him?

No he can not.

[Priggy Smalls]

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i can't believe you just said amare was a post-up guy. he's a faceup guy that can't dribble and telegraphs all his moves and he can't operate with his back to the basket.

as far as being a pnr guy goes amare slips every pick he goes to make and its just making life harder on lin. tyson on the other hand sets some of the hardest screens in the nba giving lin the separation he needs to make easy reads. lin went as far as waving amare off in crunch time the other night when he came to set a pick so he can call over tyson to do the same.

amare's role on this team as the go-to pnr guy has become redundant with tyson around his mid range game isn't nearly good enough to justify the porous defense you get from him every night. forget being worth his contract, he's not worth putting on the floor more often than not.

Amare plays face up, but he most definitely can post up, much more so than anyone except Melo on our team. His pick and roll game hasn't been strong this year even with the emergence of Lin, but we saw how good he could be last year. He's clearly not playing anywhere near 100% right now. The short season and full schedule has not been good for him. I can't defend his defense.

Tell me though - who do you expect to get for him in a trade? It's easy to make trades from your couch at home, but he has a huge contract, questionable health and is playing some of his worst basketball in years. You want to just give him away for an expiring and cut bait or do you actually expect to get some huge piece for him?

i can't believe you're really typing this. amare doesn't and will never have a back to the basket game. physically he's just not capable of it with his weak lower body.

and as far as what we can get back in a trade, best case scenario would be the scola/martin deal houston was offering for gasol. that's probably not an option because they wanted to make another move in free agency but if a team was willing to give up expirings for amare it would absolutely be worth it from a basketball standpoint. just going by the eye test he's been a limited player his entire career and he's been miserable if you look at him through the scope of metrics like adjusted plus/minus. having that sort of player eating up your cap for the foreseeable future can kill our chances of contending if we don't get it done with the roster we have now.

[xsaberx]

I actually really appreciate Amare's mentality through all of this. He is not letting his ego mess with the team. Let's hope he has a monster 2nd half of the season - monster as in: he scares opposing players, dunks on everyone, knocks down his jumpers, has a 50% FG percentage, blocks shots, and grabs boards - not necessarily having high scoring games.