2012 Draft Thread (talking all things NBA draft)

[ATL Boy]

I thought we needed one of these, it's a thread to discuss all things NBA draft, here's a list of the top 100 prospects http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects Festus Ezeli, and Arnett Moultire are the guys I think we'll go after in the draft; or we may even trade up to get a player like Cody Zeller. Anyway this isn't just Hawks draft talk (sry I'm making it seem that way) it's draft talk in general.

[dms269]

One of the major draft sites has Moultrie going 6 to Detroit, Zeller to Portland at 14 and Festus at 17.

It has us taking Mason Plumlee in the first.

We have two 2nds this year, one of which is a high 2nd (Phx's).

[dms269]

SI had a little article about Scott Machado from Iona. He is the nation's assist leader, leading Kendall Marshall by .4 apg. The article mentioned that he studied Kidd and Nash to see how they pick apart the defense.

Might be a decent guy with a 2nd. He isn't a stud scorer but looks to be a solid passer.

[ATL Boy]

One of the major draft sites has Moultrie going 6 to Detroit, Zeller to Portland at 14 and Festus at 17.

It has us taking Mason Plumlee in the first.

We have two 2nds this year, one of which is a high 2nd (Phx's).

Yea the PHX 2nd will be very valuable for us this year, I was honestly thinking we can use it as an asset to move up in the draft and upgrade our first pick (of course it won't be the only asset we trade if we're moving up really high), we need a C more than anything this year in the draft and that should be top priority. For me the dream scenario is that Cody Zeller falls in the draft enough to where we can trade up for him, but that's probably just a pipe dream.

[dms269]

Another major mock has Moultrie in the 1st and Tornike Shengelia with our 1st 2nd rounder (he seems to be fairly decent friends with Zaza, the other mock has us taking him with our 2nd 2nd). He is a combo forward but could play some PF for us as well.

[Superiorblogman]

Anyone that thinks Cody Zeller can play C in the NBA is a fool end of story

[fullcourt]

Tony Wroten would be a great pick up in late first or second round. as a SG, he has PG skills, which is very rare for SGs today. He looks comfortable handling the ball like Wade and Tyreke. his IQ also impresses me while he still shows he is an above athlete.

Quincy Miller is also another guy that would be a great pick up if he falls to the low first round. He reminds me of Darius Miles without the drug problems.

Mason Plumlee could be a safe pick. i don't see him doing anything special in the NBA, but i do see him having a 10 year career.

Darius Miller is a guy that screams of Azubuike, or Bogans. he probably won't make any noise in the draft, but after the summer, will probably end up making an NBA team.

the only center that interest me in the late first round is Renardo Sidney, he reminds me of Miller Grove's Tony Parker

[dms269]

Sidney is very much out of shape though. He only plays limited minutes because he can't play any longer. He is a solid player, but his size is hurting him. Moultrie is much leaner and is the one who is the centerpiece of their inside offense.

[fullcourt]

Sidney is very much out of shape though. He only plays limited minutes because he can't play any longer. He is a solid player, but his size is hurting him. Moultrie is much leaner and is the one who is the centerpiece of their inside offense.

Moultrie is fine, but i don't think he will fall that low in the draft for the Hawks, so what is the point of talking about him.

[dms269]

Sidney is very much out of shape though. He only plays limited minutes because he can't play any longer. He is a solid player, but his size is hurting him. Moultrie is much leaner and is the one who is the centerpiece of their inside offense.

Moultrie is fine, but i don't think he will fall that low in the draft for the Hawks, so what is the point of talking about him.

Because they both play on the same team in college.

Sidney's out of shapeness is limiting his ability to play and, as a result, making Moultrie the center piece of the inside offense. Sidney knew that when Moultrie transferred in that he needed to work, instead he got lazy.

I actually wouldn't want Sidney. The kid has the talent but is a headcase. He got into a fight with a teammate last year and is extremely out of shape (He is nowhere close to the 285 he is listed at).

I doubt he is a late first selection. If anything he is more like a late 2nd.

[fullcourt]

Sidney is very much out of shape though. He only plays limited minutes because he can't play any longer. He is a solid player, but his size is hurting him. Moultrie is much leaner and is the one who is the centerpiece of their inside offense.

Moultrie is fine, but i don't think he will fall that low in the draft for the Hawks, so what is the point of talking about him.

Because they both play on the same team in college.

Sidney's out of shapeness is limiting his ability to play and, as a result, making Moultrie the center piece of the inside offense. Sidney knew that when Moultrie transferred in that he needed to work, instead he got lazy.

I actually wouldn't want Sidney. The kid has the talent but is a headcase. He got into a fight with a teammate last year and is extremely out of shape (He is nowhere close to the 285 he is listed at).

I doubt he is a late first selection. If anything he is more like a late 2nd.

it really doesn't matter if you think Sidney is late 2nd, just look at Nikola Vucevic, he ended up jumping into the 1st round.

but i have Plumlee and Renardo on my board for the 2nd round, and Wroten and Quincy on my board for the 1st round pick.

Wroten and Quincy could be late 1st stars like Finely or Josh Howard. Renardo and Plumlee could be good contributing 15mpg NBA bench players that a team picks up in the second round.

i don't see Moultrie falling out of the top 10 for the Hawks to get him.

[dms269]

Who said Moultrie is falling out of the top 10? I did say that one mock has us taking him at 24, but that is just a mock. All I was saying is Sidney needed to improve his game to stand up to Moultrie, and failed to do so. Instead he figured he could just keep with what he was doing and it backfired.

I don't think you can compare Sidney to Vucevic. Vucevic was considered a very good prospect anyway, Sidney is not. It is never a good sign when most the fans for the team you play for want to see you leave early to the draft or tpo transfer. Dude is fat, slow, not athletic, and is a chemistry cancer. He never turned his body fat into muscle like he should have, and as a result, had his team taken over by a transfer.

I don't really see Plumlee falling into the 2nd. He should be a first rounder.

[Superiorblogman]

Tyler nor Cody Zeller is a Center but I would look hard at Tyler if he fell to us.

Drummond: Would love to have him, even if he is nothing more than De-Andre Jordan our problems are solved as for a C.

Giorgi Dieng is the most slept on C in this draft.

Alex Len is another name to keep on your radar 7-1 freshman from Maryland. If he leaves this year for whatever reason he is definitely a 1st rd talent and production guy but he needs to gain 15+ pds before he is NBA ready.

The rest of those Centers

Meyers Leonard, Ezeli, Fab Melo, etc. are all 2nd rd type players.

We need a C, the rest of the stuff yall talking is for the birds.

[Ruhiel]

Sidney is one college player I have seen play. if Smith could take Renardo under his wing and do that same cardio program...

I'd take him and work with him everyday. huge mismatch potential and upgrade from Marvin (if he adopts business attitude). Can play outside and inside.


Guy seems to have a big ego and worse than Cousins. sigh...

Josh and Joe and Al would be able to reign him in? no?

How much he weigh?

[fullcourt]

Who said Moultrie is falling out of the top 10? I did say that one mock has us taking him at 24, but that is just a mock. All I was saying is Sidney needed to improve his game to stand up to Moultrie, and failed to do so. Instead he figured he could just keep with what he was doing and it backfired.

I don't think you can compare Sidney to Vucevic. Vucevic was considered a very good prospect anyway, Sidney is not. It is never a good sign when most the fans for the team you play for want to see you leave early to the draft or tpo transfer. Dude is fat, slow, not athletic, and is a chemistry cancer. He never turned his body fat into muscle like he should have, and as a result, had his team taken over by a transfer.

I don't really see Plumlee falling into the 2nd. He should be a first rounder.

no he wasn't, now you are just making things up.

Vucevic was considered to be a low 2nd round pick, but after the combine, and measured with a good standing reach, he shot up to a high 2nd round, low 1st round pick. Then when the draft came, he was surprisingly taken in the mid 1st round.

"Following Vucevic's decision to enter the 2011 NBA draft and forgo his final year of eligibility, many draft pundits predicted that Vucevic would be a second round draft pick; but, if the hype currently surrounding Vucevic is any indication, the Montenegro born player stands a solid bet to hear his name called in the first 30 picks.

One of 55 players invited to the 2011 Chicago pre-draft combine that took place over the weekend, Vucevic was the talk of the town following measurements and interviews. Of all the prospects in attendance, Vucevic sported the tallest height without shoes (6'10.25”), the tallest height with shoes (6'11.75”) and the highest standing reach (9'4.5”)."
http://216.18.223.210/usc-trojans-in-los-angeles/2011-nba-draft-stock-on-the-rise-for-usc-trojans-nikola-vucevic

Entering the combine, Vucevic was under the radar and considered by most to be a late second round pick. He was so impressive in the workouts there that he is now projected to go in the 10-25 range
http://www.celticslife.com/2011/05/draft-profile-nikola-vucevic.html

[fullcourt]

Sidney is one college player I have seen play. if Smith could take Renardo under his wing and do that same cardio program...

I'd take him and work with him everyday. huge mismatch potential and upgrade from Marvin (if he adopts business attitude). Can play outside and inside.


Guy seems to have a big ego and worse than Cousins. sigh...

Josh and Joe and Al would be able to reign him in? no?

How much he weigh?

i think he will be fine at 280-300lbs, he has a frame that can support that mass. he might be a good mid 2nd round pick. if he comes back with a good standing reach measurement, he could be a good back up C/PF in the early second round.

[Ruhiel]

Sidney is one college player I have seen play. if Smith could take Renardo under his wing and do that same cardio program...

I'd take him and work with him everyday. huge mismatch potential and upgrade from Marvin (if he adopts business attitude). Can play outside and inside.


Guy seems to have a big ego and worse than Cousins. sigh...

Josh and Joe and Al would be able to reign him in? no?

How much he weigh?

i think he will be fine at 280-300lbs, he has a frame that can support that mass. he might be a good mid 2nd round pick. if he comes back with a good standing reach measurement, he could be a good back up C/PF in the early second round.

His frame seems to be 6'10 with the standard 7'4 arms ala Dwight Howard/Okafor. 300 lbs would be way too much unless he comes back with Shaq/Demarcus type reach. I dont want Big Baby with no lift.

If we get him on the intense program Josh was on (Josh could mentor him on work ethic + how the NBA works and staying out of trouble) I see no reason he cant reach 265-275. Emphasis on cutting down the body fat which is really what slows you down.

[fullcourt]

i think he will be fine at 280-300lbs, he has a frame that can support that mass. he might be a good mid 2nd round pick. if he comes back with a good standing reach measurement, he could be a good back up C/PF in the early second round.

His frame seems to be 6'10 with the standard 7'4 arms ala Dwight Howard/Okafor. 300 lbs would be way too much unless he comes back with Shaq/Demarcus type reach. I dont want Big Baby with no lift.

If we get him on the intense program Josh was on (Josh could mentor him on work ethic + how the NBA works and staying out of trouble) I see no reason he cant reach 265-275. Emphasis on cutting down the body fat which is really what slows you down.

LOL for anybody who thinks that a husky kid like Renardo Sidney is going to turn into Dwight Howard.

what you are saying is not only dumb, but also dangerously unhealthy

[Ruhiel]

i think he will be fine at 280-300lbs, he has a frame that can support that mass. he might be a good mid 2nd round pick. if he comes back with a good standing reach measurement, he could be a good back up C/PF in the early second round.

His frame seems to be 6'10 with the standard 7'4 arms ala Dwight Howard/Okafor. 300 lbs would be way too much unless he comes back with Shaq/Demarcus type reach. I dont want Big Baby with no lift.[/b]

If we get him on the intense program Josh was on (Josh could mentor him on work ethic + how the NBA works and staying out of trouble) I see no reason he cant reach 265-275. Emphasis on cutting down the body fat which is really what slows you down.

LOL for anybody who thinks that a husky kid like Renardo Sidney is going to turn into Dwight Howard.

what you are saying is not only dumb, but also dangerously unhealthy

Relearn how to read before you comment.

[Ruhiel]

Sidney, averaging 9.8 points and 4.9 rebounds in 21.8 minutes, is listed at 260 pounds, but the source said he’s probably closer to 310.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/29/sour ... ppi-state/

Like I said his frame is average 6'10. He can't carry 300 lbs. 260-280 would be optimum but would require this lazy clown to get on a tough love severe diet program. Which we can do for him.
Have the captains check in on him wherever this is getting done and let him know he cant quit and him being in shape will play a critical role for the team and he could be a star plugging holes.

I wouldn't even let him touch the ball till he gets to 290 to set the tone.