Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[wegetitin08]

My name is not my name - Spiros "vondas"

I'm confused. If that was Marlo, why does it say Spiros?

Watch this beast of a series you noobs....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0K-tfJLiFE[/youtube]

GOAT....love this show

[Kid Canada]

LOL at Perry Jones being a 3 in the NBA. He is way too slow to defend any 3's. He is 6'11 240! Blacthe II

[ash_k]

Perry Jones III way too slow??? my goodness.

You just need to watch more of him Kid C, you probably see the Baylor starting 5 and see him listed as a PF/C and assume he is one.

Just watch how fluid of an athlete he is, how agile he is..He is a Small Forward at the next level..

With his combination of skills and physical tools, he is a Small Forward.

Like all Small Forward, he will be able to play PF at times at the next level ..He has the body for it.

[7-Day Dray]

LOL at Perry Jones being a 3 in the NBA. He is way too slow to defend any 3's. He is 6'11 240! Blacthe II

This. Anyone who thinks he's a SF needs to take their rose-colored glasses off. On offense, his ball skills are not good enough to play the 3, and he's too slow laterally to defense on the perimeter full-time. I agree with the Blatche comparison.

[Al_Oliver]

I've watched all of them play and Joe Forte was a "can't miss" prospect even though he faceplanted in the NBA. And like I said, Kevin Durant was featured while Quincy is an afterthought. The man can only do what his coach asks him or else he's regarded as a "cancer". People will see how good Quincy actually is if he gets a chance in the NBA, or even if he goes back to Baylor next year when Jones leaves. But calling Jones a SF is laughable, that's the same thing people said about Derrick Williams. Jones will be a bust either way, but playing him at SF just guarantees it. Shooting mechanics has absolutely nothing to do with it, it's all about lateral quicks.

highly touted maybe, but can't miss prospects don't get picked 21st overall...

[Al_Oliver]

Just for the draft thread: Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook combine for 91 points tonight (Durant 51, Westbrook 40). Ahh to have a good drafting GM in a strong draft...

Are you talking about the GM who drafted these two? Well, there's no need for a good drafting Gm for durant lol, he's pretty much a consensus #2. But Westbrook was a good pick, I give their gm credit for that.

and Harden too. I thought they could have picked someone else at his spot (curry or tyreke)

[Al_Oliver]

its not an argument, its just something I'm curious about.
and its something that influences people on this board. Take for example when Uconn starts playing poorly and people instantly think Jeremy Lamb's stock drops.

no, his stock may appear to be dropping because Kerry Kittles is sticking to him like an illegal calling card...

[FluLikeSymptoms]

This is a year to throw player comparisons out the window. It's kind of fun. Davis, Quincy, PJ3- those frames+games aren't around, nor have they been, the closest comps still aren't close. Even Lamb, MKG, Barnes and Drummond defy the lazy match.

[ty123]

Is Barnes really a top 3 pick? I don't even know if he's top 5. I don't even know if he is better prospect than Austin Rivers.

He struggles to drive into the paint and has a glaring lack of handles.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Is Barnes really a top 3 pick? I don't even know if he's top 5. I don't even know if he is better prospect than Austin Rivers.

He struggles to drive into the paint and has a glaring lack of handles.

I think your problem is that you're not seeing the things he's never done, things that he obviously would consistently do if if if...

[ty123]

Is Barnes really a top 3 pick? I don't even know if he's top 5. I don't even know if he is better prospect than Austin Rivers.

He struggles to drive into the paint and has a glaring lack of handles.

I think your problem is that you're not seeing the things he's never done, things that he obviously would consistently do if if if...

The way you judge a good wing player is their ability to go iso one on one and get to the cup.

[nahom1319]

I'm sure a lot of you guys watched the game as well, but I found these Barnes highlights from their recent game vs. Miami. Check it out, his handles are looking tight.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0hWuzP0tQ[/youtube]

I wouldn't say tight, just comfortable. They definitely look better then they have before, but lets avoid using the word tight. I'm beginning to see the Paul Pierce comparison. Lets just hope his passing game is better then advertised.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Quincy Miller has a game much closer to prime Pierce than Barnes, forgetting dimensions.

Barnes is more Chuck Person than, say, any on-ball player. A completely different archetype than some have dreamt up.

[Marlo Stanfield]

LOL I don't understand why people are taking the "can't miss" prospect term I used for Joe Forte so seriously. Ok, whatever, even if he was a bum and everyone in the NBA knew he'd be a bust the point still stands. Collegiate stats don't guarantee success. Why is that so hard to understand?

As for the Barnes/Person comparison by FluLikeSymptoms; way to pull one out of the hat, it's a good comparison to be honest. I also see a little bit of Ron Artest (minus the lockdown defense) in Harrison. Ron wasn't the shooter Harrison is, but they have the same type of bodies and athletic abilities. And remember, Ron was a problem offensively in his Indiana days, even with guys like Captain Jack, JO and Reggie Miller on the Pacers.

[DreamTeam09]

That Barnes HL mix was cold!!!! He gets ample amount of points not from running the offense. His shot out of the triple threat is amazing... Was crashing the glass too. I think maybe i'm even sleeping on him and I hope we draft him.

[Marlo Stanfield]

BC and Casey may be a match made in heaven. Bryan loves drafting offensive guys and Casey loves defense. Bryan doesn't know what defense is, Casey doesn't know what offense is. So, Bryan drafts offensive guys and then Casey makes them willing defenders. The offensive comes naturally and the defense is middle of the pack at least. Title time!

[Rapsfan07]

Quincy Miller has a game much closer to prime Pierce than Barnes, forgetting dimensions.

Barnes is more Chuck Person than, say, any on-ball player. A completely different archetype than some have dreamt up.

I agree. He posts up pretty well, shoots the 3 pretty well also and I like him working from that high post elbow going to the rim or from midrange (though I think he should do it more). He rebounds pretty well and got a decent hook/floater. He'll need to work on his defense, tweak his handles, tweak that shot of his and gets stronger/bigger.. For me, workouts are going to be HUGE if I'm gonna draft him. His lateral speed, vertical, sprint etc will be big (assuming he declares).

I'm a fan of him for sure but at this point if Barnes is on the board, I think I'd rather have him. But I'd rather have Miller over MKG. I'll probably get flamed but anyways, Miller's playing later so we'll see how that goes.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

As for the Barnes/Person comparison by FluLikeSymptoms; way to pull one out of the hat, it's a good comparison to be honest.

The Chuck comparison wasn't meant to be super-close, just closer to HB's probable role and production than the dreamers expect- who are probably the same guys who think that Demar will magically "develop" into a completely different player. But Person was great at what he did, it's not an insult in any way, and that's just an awesome pic.

[fredericklove]

Didn't Pierce go to Kansas though?... I didn't follow his whole college career (so I don't know if he changed school)

Kansas yes but Pierce was coached by Roy Williams

[fredericklove]

Is Barnes really a top 3 pick? I don't even know if he's top 5. I don't even know if he is better prospect than Austin Rivers.

He struggles to drive into the paint and has a glaring lack of handles.

I think your problem is that you're not seeing the things he's never done, things that he obviously would consistently do if if if...

Flu, ty123's arguments are super old he just keeps on repeating same thing again and again, all he kept saying in last few threads was "is he worth top 3? i wouldn't take him high" and comes back with ineffective quote saying he can't drive and having lack of handles and now about 1 on 1 skills? That's ignorant and its obvious he hasn't watched a lick of UNC games this year as Barnes displays his slashing ability and drawing for contacts, and ty constantly attack his lack of handles yet he can still score in many different ways. He has his flaws but he compensates with other qualities. And since when judging a good wing player is based solely on their iso ability, that's a premature talk when a player should be judged on all aspects of his game..., his lack of passing skills/handle are weaknesses but he makes it up with offensive instinct, shooting ability, ability to use p&r/screen, ability to score when he lacks a certain attribute, defense, rebounding, etc) ...ty just slams at barnes for not being a flashy yo yo handle iso 1 on 1 type of player that Melo, KD or Lebron has. But other than that, he ignores barnes' overall attributes. Ty is just trolling weakly especially when he kept arguing nonsense saying Barnes shouldn't be drafted in top end of the draft when all scouts and alot of us here pretty much say he's top end. SMH at Ty.