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The lakers problems are obvious and easy to fix. 

Post#1 » by sp6r=underrated » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:31 pm

The drop off from last year has been pretty stark. Last year LA was a 57 win team with an SRS of 6. This year they have an SRS of 2.5 and are playing like a 47 win team. Part of that drop off was inevitable. They lost Odom for nothing who was a huge part of their success last year. Gasol is slowing down and isn't as effective as he was in 10. Part of that drop off though is due to inexcusable roster choices mainly bringing back Derek Fisher and playing World Peace after he has shown he is completely shot.

The Fisher mistake is the most inexcusable and is common one in NBA history: team's honoring role players when they are no longer good. A recent example of a champion doing that is the late 00s Spurs playing Bowen and Horry when they had nothing left. He is one of the worst defensive PG in the NBA and his offense isn't much better. If his name wasn't Fisher he never would have been given a roster spot and probably would have been cut during the season.

Metta World Peace play has been truly disgusting this year. He is no longer the defensive force he once was and is truly awful on offense. He can't hit an open shot to save his live. He no longer rebounds and is the about the least productive player in the NBA this year.

World Peace and Fisher rank fourth and fifth in minutes played on the team. Simply put, LA needs to get rid of the deadwood in their rotation. Even replacing Fisher and World Peace with below average players will significantly improve the team's play.

You can't throw chances at titles. The core of Kobe, Bynum and Gasol is still good enough to win a title but they can't overcome maybe the two worst players in the NBA logging heavy minutes. Lakers management has to make a move to replace Fisher and World Peace.
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Post#2 » by ClayDavis » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:49 pm

so just Tonya Harding to take care of fisher and peace? Sounds easy.
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Post#3 » by That Nicka » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:14 pm

Problem is Lakers don't have very many moveable pieces... Supposedly the Cavs are willing to give up Sessions for picks, if that is true then I don't know what the Lakers are waiting for... A young athletic PG with good size that can create offense... And his 3 ball has even been falling lately, albeit on low volume.. Exactly the kind of player the Lakers should be investing in


The Lakers 2nd biggest problem is 3 point shooting... And if they were to trade part of their TPE and picks for Sessions, they would have even less pieces available to move for a shooter... Not that I can think of any good shooters on the trading block right now anyway
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Post#4 » by Archerbro » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:35 pm

i think some know about it-it's called the BAD rating.

Below average dependencey- (rotation players of below average players)

Lakers have the worst at the pg position, their sf position is pretty bad.
Nets have really bad at the sf position.
t wolves have it bad at the sf position

and knicks "had it" at the pg position before lin.
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Post#5 » by Jetset » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:52 pm

The problems are glaringly obvious, those aren't hard to spot at all. Only problem is that we're going to have to give up a piece of the core that you said can still win it all. As I've been saying all along, there is no real way of fixing this team without trading either Gasol or Bynum. Sessions isn't a fix to anything, in fact he'd be like putting band-aid on a real life sinking ship.

And not a waterproof one either.
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Post#6 » by GoldenKnight » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:53 pm

Fisher & MWP are horrible, but at this point nobody else wants them.
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Post#7 » by Leor_77 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:01 pm

Yeah, I mean it's obvious - when you have holes at the 1 and the 3, and can't count on them to contribute more than once out of every 4-5 games, you're going to lose games. I'm just not sold that Sessions is the answer. He's playing well right now and shooting the three well, but he's just not a solid career 3-pt shooter.

What happens when other teams just collapse the paint on Drew/Gasol and Sessions can't make his three's? He is also a slasher, like Barnes, but we see that this is sometimes effective, sometimes not. I think Calderon would be better, but I'm not sure he's the answer either.
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Post#8 » by eckoner » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:14 pm

There really is no easy answer to resolve the Lakers issues. No team out there wants to help them win..heck not even the league wants to see them win.

It seems all of the eggs are in the baskets of the Knicks and the Heat.

With all of that said yes there is a glaring need for a 1 and a 3 and as it's already been said the Lakers dont really have favorable trade pieces and on top of that seem to be in a holding pattern waiting to see what happens with Howard.

Big question is take a chance now and make some moves and miss the chance to land Howard and or DWill or just continue to hold and see what happens and hope to land one or both of those guys.
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Post#9 » by hermes » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:22 pm

if they are obvious and easy to fix, wouldn't something have been done about it by now?
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Post#10 » by sp6r=underrated » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:33 pm

Jetset wrote: Sessions isn't a fix to anything, in fact he'd be like putting band-aid on a real life sinking ship.


Sessions is the perfect fit to the problem at PG. The lakers have enough elite level talent they just need to find 2 average to even slightly below average players at point and SF. Ramon Sessions is a mediocre PG which constitutes a massive upgrade over Fisher. Replacing Fisher's minutes with Sessions would improve the team by a clear margin.

The lakers are (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they don't get Sessions if the previous poster is right that Sessions is there for picks.
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Post#11 » by Jetset » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:04 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
Jetset wrote: Sessions isn't a fix to anything, in fact he'd be like putting band-aid on a real life sinking ship.


Sessions is the perfect fit to the problem at PG. The lakers have enough elite level talent they just need to find 2 average to even slightly below average players at point and SF. Ramon Sessions is a mediocre PG which constitutes a massive upgrade over Fisher. Replacing Fisher's minutes with Sessions would improve the team by a clear margin.

The lakers are (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they don't get Sessions if the previous poster is right that Sessions is there for picks.


I'm willing to give you a pass because you aren't a Lakers fan, but anyone who has seen this team knows just how terrible this team is. We're in dire need of a real PG, some little rinky dink PG like isn't Sessions isn't enough of a basketball player to make a difference. We'd still get booted out of the playoffs the same round as if we never traded for him, only difference is we'd be one 1st rounder shorter. And Sessions isn't worth a 1st rounder so if That Nicka is right about TPE + 1st rounder, then I'm glad the FO hasn't done the deal. I'm not willing to trade a 1st rounder in a deep draft such as this for Sessions.

Our problem is scoring from the wing and how Kobe is the only player on the roster who can effectively do that, Sessions isn't going to help in that regard. Only thing he's good for is his court vision and passing ability. Which goes to the point I've been trying to make to all of you for over a month, that the only way to improve the team is to either trade Pau or Bynum. Funny how it always ends up going back to that isn't it? Maybe GS would accept a Pau deal for Curry/whoever. That's what I'd like to see.
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Post#12 » by That Nicka » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:12 pm

Whenever Sessions has been given playing time he has shown that he can score. This is without being given the reigns as the lead PG of a team, and never being on a team with nearly anything close to the talent of a Kobe/Gasol/Bynum...

The passing/playmaking is already there, obviously and would increase playing with our talent. His efficiency would most likely increase playing with our talent (further, just about every players that has played with Kobe has seen an increase in efficiency from their previous team).. not to mention his 3 ball has improved this year at 43% taking almost 2 a game

And I'd much rather take my chances on a 25 year old who has already proven he can play in this league, than the 19th pick in the draft that will take 2 years to be effective... With Kobe and Gasol being 33 and 31 I'd rather go for someone who can make an immediate impact

GSW isnt trading a 23 year old top 10 PG for a 31 year old Pau Gasol
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Post#13 » by lodom7 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:37 pm

sessions is the answer, he is better than most picks we can get in this year's draft. When he is given minutes he has shown he can score, pass and defend. This is all while playing with mediocre talent, imagine if he played with the Lakers, he would be a very nice fit to create his own offense and find others. Many unrealistic fans think that we can just flip Pau for a young point guard who will immediately fix all of the Lakers problems, one problem, if Pau is really as bad as some people say then we will be lucky to get a good point guard at all, let alone another 4. Size wins championships and if we traded Pau we would be left with Josh McRoberts starting and only one legitimate inside scoring threat in Bynum. The Lakers front office should go after Sessions, but they won't until the Dwight Howard Situation is over.
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Post#14 » by Jetset » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:13 pm

lodom7 wrote:sessions is the answer, he is better than most picks we can get in this year's draft. When he is given minutes he has shown he can score, pass and defend. This is all while playing with mediocre talent, imagine if he played with the Lakers, he would be a very nice fit to create his own offense and find others. Many unrealistic fans think that we can just flip Pau for a young point guard who will immediately fix all of the Lakers problems, one problem, if Pau is really as bad as some people say then we will be lucky to get a good point guard at all, let alone another 4. Size wins championships and if we traded Pau we would be left with Josh McRoberts starting and only one legitimate inside scoring threat in Bynum. The Lakers front office should go after Sessions, but they won't until the Dwight Howard Situation is over.


So Pau for Curry is unrealistic even though the Warriors are looking for a big and may be a little weary of his Curry's health? We could probably get Monta too, but that's unrealistic as well isn't it? I guess because lodom7 says something is unrealistic, despite the fact that it's known that the Warriors are looking for something that we have, then it's far-fetched and unrealistic. I don't even know why I'm posting.

I'm not even going to bother getting into the rest of it because I sound like a doom and gloom broken record. So I'll just do this.

We.
Aren't.
Going.
To.
Win.
A.
Championship.

This overrating of Sessions has gone too far. If he was anything like you all are saying, he would've started over the corpse of Baron Davis last season.
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Post#15 » by NBAWestFan » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:26 pm

Starts with Howard.

Teams needs to blow up and D wight is the start of the future.

Do it Mitch!

Kobe looks selfish out there maybe because the team looks sad and
not really a team he feels can compete.

Gasol needs to be traded as he has been damaged by the trade rumors and age.
He has pretty good value. Cash in the chips new value.

Bynum cash him in for Howard and make the package happen.

Wait and see if Kobe and Howard can attract pieces and and third all star.
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Post#16 » by hermes » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:36 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:Starts with Howard.

Teams needs to blow up and D wight is the start of the future.

Do it Mitch!

Kobe looks selfish out there maybe because the team looks sad and
not really a team he feels can compete.

Gasol needs to be traded as he has been damaged by the trade rumors and age.
He has pretty good value. Cash in the chips new value.

Bynum cash him in for Howard and make the package happen.

Wait and see if Kobe and Howard can attract pieces and and third all star.

i like this guy, he's a mover and a shaker
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Post#17 » by hermes » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:38 pm

Jetset wrote:
We.
Are
Going.
To.
Win.
A.
Championship.

fixed for the optimistic among us

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Post#18 » by That Nicka » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:50 pm

Jetset wrote:So Pau for Curry is unrealistic even though the Warriors are looking for a big and may be a little weary of his Curry's health? We could probably get Monta too, but that's unrealistic as well isn't it? I guess because lodom7 says something is unrealistic, despite the fact that it's known that the Warriors are looking for something that we have, then it's far-fetched and unrealistic. I don't even know why I'm posting.

I'm not even going to bother getting into the rest of it because I sound like a doom and gloom broken record. So I'll just do this.

We.
Aren't.
Going.
To.
Win.
A.
Championship.

This overrating of Sessions has gone too far. If he was anything like you all are saying, he would've started over the corpse of Baron Davis last season.



I'm sure GSW trades Monta for Gasol, I just dont see them trading Curry for him.. Of course the Lakers have much less use for Monta than they do for Curry as I dont think Monta would make for a great PG... With Monta instead of Gasol we are even worse off than we are now...

Baron Davis for the Cavs last year averaged 14 points in 25 minutes and shot 41% from 3 with a PER of 19.3, that said he only started in 9 of the 15 games he played for them and only played 25 minutes per game. Davis was playing well and Sessions was still getting time, not sure what youre getting at.
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Post#19 » by Jetset » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:15 pm

With the way you and more namely lodom7 have overrated him, you'd think you two were talking about Chris Paul. I not seeing it with Sessions, I'd have to see him do what you're saying on this team for me to believe it. And hopefully he doesn't end up here.

While Monta isn't a Paul, Rondo, or a Deron, when Curry went out Monta stepped up and showed that he actually had decent passing ability and court vision. It would be a whole hell of a lot better than Ramon Sessions. Something like a Monta/Lee/pick for Gasol/Blake would be decent value imo.

I don't see why a Curry trade is getting completely shutdown by you. It isn't out of this world to believe that GSW may think the guy is injury prone or whatever. It would more than likely take more than Gasol from us to get it done, but I don't see it out of the realm of possibility. For Curry, I wouldn't mind giving up both our picks, Pau, and whatever else they want outside of Kobe and Bynum.
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Post#20 » by Jajwanda » Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:09 pm

It's really not that complicated. If you have floor balance, guys who can penetrate, and four guys that can shoot from the outside you will win a lot of games:

Gasol for Williams, Webster, Miller, and a couple of picks gives you room and flexibility while giving you a starting SF who can defend and shoot, a power forward that can play on the perimeter complimenting Kobe, all the while giving you picks to rebuild. You send one of those picks for Ramon Sessions.

PG- Sessions
SG- Bryant
SF- Webster
PF- Williams
C- Bynum

That team has a heck of a lot of floor balance, it's much better defensively with overall team speed, and it has a dribble-drive threat to play in the P and R. Also it puts Kobe in the post, alleviates him of all ball-handling duties, and gives you a face-up PF more comfortable than Gasol for cutting off the ball.

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