Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

Marlo Stanfield · Post #321 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:45 am

JN wrote:They just mentioned that Perry Jones is averaging eight points a game in his last four games.

By the way, I know were missing something here, but can't seem to put a finger on it.

Perry Jones missed a reverse dunk under the rim, then calls for the lob the next time down, subsequently mishandles it and turns the ball over to Texas for a fast break and1.

I have no idea what we're forgetting.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #322 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:49 am

ash_k wrote:Marlon,
Nobody has responded to my question about Quincy Miller (as you have said you have watched him play many times)

Let me ask you directly:

How can a guy with no Elevation on his shot and a low point of release shoot effectively at the next level? with all the athletic and lengthy SFs defending him.

He has a cat quick release and will measure out at 6'9" or taller. Not to mention he used his exceptional handle for escape dribbles to get open for his shot, it would be tough for most small forwards to stay with him on a quick escape dribble to a pull up. But it's not like he releases his shot that low anyways, you're blowing it out of proportion imo because he releases the ball a few inches above his head even though it looks low. Look at one of his highlight videos and slow the video down when he shoots, you'll see that his release point is legitimate.

Pseudonym · Post #323 » by **Pseudonym** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:50 am

ash_k wrote:How can a guy with no Elevation on his shot and a low point of release shoot effectively at the next level? with all the athletic and lengthy SFs defending him.

Erm...basically: He's got handles, his release point on his is actually pretty high now, iirc, and he's got elite size for a SF anyways.

Post #324 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:52 am

Perry Jones III is really having a difficult time protecting the ball and catching passes. Tried to handle the ball, lost it, but saved it, then tries to shake his defender only to the turn the ball over. Even Bob Knight went WTF.

Pseudonym · Post #325 » by **Pseudonym** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:55 am

RE: Barnes-Mashburn comparison

I'm not seeing it. Also Mashburn's post game looks WAY better than Barnes' will ever be...if he decides to even post up regularly. Mashburn is also pretty inefficient, it seems as well. Barnes honestly looks like a SF version on 2010-2011 Bargnani to me.

ash_k · Post #326 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:00 am

Still about Quincy Miller

When is the last time, you have seen a player with no elevation on his shot and low point of release make it in the NBA at that position playing at the high-level?

His handles and body movement while dribbling does not stand out though..they are not done at a high-speed to really shift a defender at the next level ..plus with that low release ..extending one's arm should be enough to totally disrupt his shot at the next level.

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Mash to Barnes, now we are getting closer but of course Monster Mash was at a higher-level at that stage

Marlo Stanfield · Post #327 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:03 am

ash_k wrote:Still about Quincy Miller

When is the last time, you have seen a player with no elevation on his shot and low point of release make it in the NBA at that position playing at the high-level?

His handles and body movement while dribbling does not stand out though..they are not done at a high-speed to really shift a defender at the next level ..plus with that low release ..extending one's arm should be enough to totally disrupt his shot at the next level.

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Mash to Barnes, now we are getting closer but of course Monster Mash was at a higher-level at that stage

Denying Q's handles is a joke, I won't even acknowledge that point.

But then you ask about the release point, everyone says it's high enough and you continue to say it's too low. I'm done talking to the wall, here's your proof of his release point. Look at the ball just leaving his fingers and keep in mind this man was 6'9" in high school, meaning he could be 6'10"+ by now.

ash_k · Post #328 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:08 am

You got a good picture;

But You and I know that is not how he shoots it 95% of the time

Marlo Stanfield · Post #329 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:10 am

ash_k wrote:You got a good picture;

But You and I know that is not how he shoots it 95% of the time

Wow, just...wow. I'm done.

ash_k · Post #330 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:16 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:You got a good picture;

But You and I know that is not how he shoots it 95% of the time

Wow, just...wow. I'm done.

So now you are going to say that his natural release point.

YOu mentioned in you last post that" he doesnt release it that low anyways"...now you are showing a pic with the ball way on top of his head.

if you watch him that many times as you have been saying..what you showed in that picture is not the shot he shows 95% of the time.

I appreciate your love to Quincy Miller's game

Marlo Stanfield · Post #331 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:25 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ash_k wrote:You got a good picture;

But You and I know that is not how he shoots it 95% of the time

Wow, just...wow. I'm done.

So now you are going to say that his natural release point.

YOu mentioned in you last post that" he doesnt release it that low anyways"...now you are showing a pic with the ball way on top of his head.

if you watch him that many times as you have been saying..what you showed in that picture is not the shot he shows 95% of the time.

I appreciate your love to Quincy Miller's game

O...M...G.... this guy could not be more of a hater. You fear Miller's success like a heart attack. Here's two different shots, from different angles, that he took in the same game. You can see the ball in both shots, so it's obvious that he released the ball both times only milliseconds before.

Exact same release all 3 times. End of story.

ash_k · Post #332 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:30 am

Fear Quincy 's success LOL ... ok..creative

I would compare in a way Cassipi and Miller in the way they shoot it...look at the videos you will see what I am saying.

For Quincy's family and himself I hope he makes it big

...But he wont.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #333 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:31 am

ash_k wrote:Fear Quincy 's success LOL ... ok..creative

I would compare in a way Cassipi and Miller in the way they shoot it...look at the videos you will see what I am saying.

For Quincy's family and himself I hope he makes it big ...But he wont.

What happened to roasting the release? That was your only argument against him. What else you got?

highness · Post #334 » by **highness** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:31 am

He kinda shoots like Ricky Rubio.

ash_k · Post #335 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:33 am

highness wrote:He kinda shoots like Ricky Rubio.

Ricky has more elevation though which makes a huge different, dont you think?

Off the dribble

DarkKnight · Post #336 » by **DarkKnight** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:40 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnOApGV3QM&feature=watch_response[/youtube]

So here is a video of Miller with lots of jumpshots. This video tells me one thing - either he is a long way from being recovered from his injury, or he has almost no athleticism. His release point is high but the shot starts very low, at or below his forehead level, and he gets no lift from his legs when he shoots - almost a set shot. There are a couple plays near the end where he should easily be able to dunk it and he looks like he cant get enough lift and he ends up laying it in. I think he needs to stay in school another year and shoe he can get some lift and explosiveness or he's really going to struggle.

highness · Post #337 » by **highness** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:43 am

This draft is deep but the talent level is kind of overated. I'd pick Kyrie Irving over any of these guys including Anthony Davis.

DarkKnight · Post #338 » by **DarkKnight** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:46 am

highness wrote:This draft is deep but the talent level is kind of overated. I'd pick Kyrie Irving over any of these guys including Anthony Davis.

Easier to say once he's played 30 or so NBA games and you have some idea what you have. After 10 NCAA games and some injury time he wasn't regarded as a sure thing either.

highness · Post #339 » by **highness** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:48 am

DarkKnight wrote:
highness wrote:This draft is deep but the talent level is kind of overated. I'd pick Kyrie Irving over any of these guys including Anthony Davis.

Easier to say once he's played 30 or so NBA games and you have some idea what you have. After 10 NCAA games and some injury time he wasn't regarded as a sure thing either.

His highschool mix tapes on youtube were enough to make me a believer. 8-)

ash_k · Post #340 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:53 am

DarkKnight wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnOApGV3QM&feature=watch_response[/youtube]

So here is a video of Miller with lots of jumpshots. This video tells me one thing - either he is a long way from being recovered from his injury, or he has almost no athleticism. His release point is high but the shot starts very low, at or below his forehead level, and he gets no lift from his legs when he shoots - almost a set shot. There are a couple plays near the end where he should easily be able to dunk it and he looks like he cant get enough lift and he ends up laying it in. I think he needs to stay in school another year and shoe he can get some lift and explosiveness or he's really going to struggle.

Thank you Dark Knight, his shot was the same in high school with no elevation prior to his injury..

Thats what I have been talking about

Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?