Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[N1QUE24]

Man, Bradley Beal looks like a keeper. Eric Gordon-lite for sure.

[ansoncarter]

If you draft Lamb then you can survive with JJ at 3 until you find better, and if you have Lamb/Bargs/Jonas then your ideal starting SF might be dictated by your PG's skill-set, because you've got inside/outside scoring and D already. If our eventual PG is of Jose's archetype, JJ could be the guy. Rondo's archetype, then no.

In core pieces, you need to stick to pure position players with no major flaws in order to avoid building another house of cards. Bargs/Jonas/Lamb would be a phenomenal core. Run any play you want with those 3, play any defensive set. You don't have to mask anybody, no gimmicks, adjust how you want using your 1 and 3 to give different looks. Time-shares, whatever. Lamb can play minutes at 1 and 3, which opens things up even more.

Lamb's ability to shoot well as handle the ball is key, adding a guy who does only one is not good enough as our 3rd(last possible?) big piece. Adding a guard is far more important than a 3/4/5 and Lamb is the best, most versatile guard in the class.

yuck no way I hate that strategy, versatility should be low on the list you're almost describing Jon Salmons or someone like that

BC shouldn't be looking for the guy with the fewest weaknesses he should find the guy who's amazing at one thing. Something he can build everything else off. Those are the guys who end up allstars.

[ty123]

Don't draft big. Unless we get Anthony Davis. High Lottery Bigs usually become busts.

[Rapsfan07]

I feel like we are being held hostage with DD a lil bit, but if you can get Lamb you get him regardless of DD.

That will force DD to be more consistent (or else you are sitting for the young rookie Demar)

I agree. Lamb and Beal like they're going to be studs and DD definitely can't make me pass on them, that's for sure.

Quincy Miller looks to have all the athleticism of Evan Turner. That being said, he's a great shooter and gets his looks in the paint without the athleticism that others have.

Regardless, I'll pass on him.

Gimme Lamb.

Miller's game has never been about athleticism which is why I like him as a prospect. He's got moves, he's got handles, he's got a good shot with a quick release...it'll need to be tweaked for sure but it's not horrible. His game is more deceptive like Pierce for example (not saying he's that good or will ever be that good, just making a point). I like Lamb a lot and choosing between him and Beal is going to be very very hard depending on where they land but Miller I feel can be a serious steal.

Undoubtedly, both Lamb and Beal have shown much more on the college level so I don't think I could pass on them if they were still on the board so for me to even look at Miller in this draft (if he declares), his workouts would have to blow me away. I'd see if I could take a look at that knee, things like lateral quickness would be huge, speed would be huge etc. I wouldn't just draft him because I like him.

But thinking about the draft, he's a guy you have to look at. The talent level throughout the draft after Davis is pretty much the same so Beal or Lamb could easily go much higher. What if Sullinger and Robinson don't have favourable measurements? What if PJ3's/Drummond's bust potential scares off GM's and they fall? What if out pick ends up where the "bigs" are? I'm just saying that Miller shouldn't be counted out...he could be a great potential trade down target.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

If you draft Lamb then you can survive with JJ at 3 until you find better, and if you have Lamb/Bargs/Jonas then your ideal starting SF might be dictated by your PG's skill-set, because you've got inside/outside scoring and D already. If our eventual PG is of Jose's archetype, JJ could be the guy. Rondo's archetype, then no.

In core pieces, you need to stick to pure position players with no major flaws in order to avoid building another house of cards. Bargs/Jonas/Lamb would be a phenomenal core. Run any play you want with those 3, play any defensive set. You don't have to mask anybody, no gimmicks, adjust how you want using your 1 and 3 to give different looks. Time-shares, whatever. Lamb can play minutes at 1 and 3, which opens things up even more.

Lamb's ability to shoot well as handle the ball is key, adding a guy who does only one is not good enough as our 3rd(last possible?) big piece. Adding a guard is far more important than a 3/4/5 and Lamb is the best, most versatile guard in the class.

yuck no way I hate that strategy, versatility should be low on the list you're almost describing Jon Salmons or someone like that

BC shouldn't be looking for the guy with the fewest weaknesses he should find the guy who's amazing at one thing. Something he can build everything else off. Those are the guys who end up allstars.

Yep, all-stars on losing teams. Better teams will take that one thing away in winning time and those guys have no counter.

More importantly, a team who can play only one way goes nowhere because good teams will force that team to make adjustments they can't make. See the Toronto Boshes. Versatile players make versatile teams. Lamb is worth more than Barnes or Beal because he can shoot it as well but does a lot more and plays multiple positions.

[ty123]

Does Michael Gilchrist have star-superstar potential?

Thats the only thing holding him back.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Does Michael Gilchrist have star-superstar potential?

Thats the only thing holding him back.

He's not a superstar by any means, there less than 10 of those in the league. He has that Josh Smith, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay borderline all-star talent. I think MKG will be regarded as a snub a few times in his career and maybe make it once or twice.

[ty123]

Does Michael Gilchrist have star-superstar potential?

Thats the only thing holding him back.

He's not a superstar by any means, there less than 10 of those in the league. He has that Josh Smith, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay borderline all-star talent. I think MKG will be regarded as a snub a few times in his career and maybe make it once or twice.

I don't know. He looks like he has all the tools to be a superstar.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Does Michael Gilchrist have star-superstar potential?

Thats the only thing holding him back.

He's not a superstar by any means, there less than 10 of those in the league. He has that Josh Smith, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay borderline all-star talent. I think MKG will be regarded as a snub a few times in his career and maybe make it once or twice.

I don't know. He looks like he has all the tools to be a superstar.

So you think he has the ability to get to the level of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose and Dwight Howards level? Those are the only superstars in the league.

[RaptorReloaded]

Give me Barnes, Beal, Davis, Drummond, Lamb or Rivers. Not liking Miller or Jones and I'm falling off the MKG bandwagon. Having said that.. I could easily be seduced to hop back on.

[ty123]

"Tools". He kinda reminds me of T Mac in his younger days.

[ansoncarter]

More importantly, a team who can play only one way goes nowhere because good teams will force that team to make adjustments they can't make. See the Toronto Boshes. Versatile players make versatile teams. Lamb is worth more than Barnes or Beal because he can shoot it as well but does a lot more and plays multiple positions.

I liked the Toronto Boshies. And the Toronto Vincies. Just didn't have a second star

I want a team with 2 allstar iso players. That's it. Everyone else can be versatile

I don't trust hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and coaches talking about movement (yeah I know dallas just won, and denver looks as good after trading ballstopper melo but those are flukes imo)

[Rhettmatic]

Chad Ford has overhauled his top 100:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100

Perry Jones moved down to 10, Damian Lillard bumped up to 13.

New top 10:

1. Anthony Davis
2. Andre Drummond
3. Harrison Barnes
4. Thomas Robinson
5. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. Jared Sullinger
7. Bradley Beal
8. Jeremy Lamb
9. Cody Zeller
10. PJ3

[Marvin!]

More importantly, a team who can play only one way goes nowhere because good teams will force that team to make adjustments they can't make. See the Toronto Boshes. Versatile players make versatile teams. Lamb is worth more than Barnes or Beal because he can shoot it as well but does a lot more and plays multiple positions.

you see, everyone keeps saying this but I haven't seen it... I think people are expecting him to 'be able to do alot more' based on his skill set/physical traits, but I don't think he has really shown anything other than being a pretty good shooter and a decent scorer - and yes I'm aware that he scored something like 30+ points last night.

I just don't get the infatuation with him - I think people are projecting alot of hopes upon him

[ansoncarter]

ford is right about drummond he was destined for at least top2 no matter what, only an injury would have changed that

however slowly he's been developing he still has the most potential to turn a franchise around. That's what garbage teams want from top2 not luol dengs

toronto included, put luol deng on this team and we still mostly suck. Or a versatile player like james harden. Still a pointless team, and have no hope of beating chicago or miami. Really hope we trade up for drummond. Or davis I guess.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Chad Ford has overhauled his top 100:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100

Perry Jones moved down to 10, Damian Lillard bumped up to 13.

New top 10:

1. Anthony Davis
2. Andre Drummond
3. Harrison Barnes
4. Thomas Robinson
5. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. Jared Sullinger
7. Bradley Beal
8. Jeremy Lamb
9. Cody Zeller
10. PJ3

Drummond still top 2 based on potential not performance. Cody Zeller is a bum, I'd even take PJIII over him which is saying a lot.

More importantly, a team who can play only one way goes nowhere because good teams will force that team to make adjustments they can't make. See the Toronto Boshes. Versatile players make versatile teams. Lamb is worth more than Barnes or Beal because he can shoot it as well but does a lot more and plays multiple positions.

you see, everyone keeps saying this but I haven't seen it... I think people are expecting him to 'be able to do alot more' based on his skill set/physical traits, but I don't think he has really shown anything other than being a pretty good shooter and a decent scorer - and yes I'm aware that he scored something like 30+ points last night.

I just don't get the infatuation with him - I think people are projecting alot of hopes upon him

Judging by the tone of your post it seems as though you haven't watched him play very often.
His movement off the ball is a thing of beauty and his jumpshot is silky smooth. Also, yesterday he displayed his tight handle on a play late in regulation but lost the ball on the pass attempt.

[dagger]

Well, I bigged up Lillard weeks ago, and that seems to be panning out. He's at #13 on Chad's list now, and a big March could see him rise into the top 10. An interesting fall back if the tank runs out of gas.

[Marvin!]

i have watched him, quite a bit actually

[Marlo Stanfield]

i have watched him, quite a bit actually

Then you know what everyone is talking about, so what's the problem? Just hate....

[PowerPhil15]

Pretty interesting, Quincy Miller is ranked to go during the second round and NBADRAFT has him going to us with our second round pick

http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

Imagine comming out of the draft with the guys we are projected with: (lamb first round and Qmiller second round)

Valunciunas/Amir
Bargnani/Ed/Kleiza
QMiller/JJ/Kleiza
Lamb/Derozen
Calderone/Bayless

thats a very deep team with loads of potential. I would amnesty Kleiza to give demar and JJ more 6th man minutes or move Ed to give kleiza minutes at the four