Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Marlo Stanfield]

Pretty interesting, Quincy Miller is ranked to go during the second round and NBADRAFT has him going to us with our second round pick

http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

Imagine comming out of the draft with the guys we are projected with: (lamb first round and Qmiller second round)

Valunciunas/Amir
Bargnani/Ed/Kleiza
QMiller/JJ/Kleiza
Lamb/Derozen
Calderone/Bayless

thats a very deep team with loads of potential. I would amnesty Kleiza to give demar and JJ more 6th man minutes or move Ed to give kleiza minutes at the four

The only way that happens is if the Deandre Jordan situation is re-created. I remember wondering why he dropped so low while the draft was going on, and then the Clipper capitalizing with a super second round steal

[U_Mad]

Drummond still top 2 based on potential not performance. Cody Zeller is a bum, I'd even take PJIII over him which is saying a lot.

Zeller shouldn't come out this year, If he stays and develops he could be a higher pick in the up coming drafts

[FluLikeSymptoms]

, Marlo- I've watched as much basketball as anybody this year, NBA, NCAA- and for too many years, always with the NBA in mind. Hell, I've helped turn every draft thread into a game discussion, and I make a point of watching so that I know of what I write- instead of turning every college player into the player that I want him to be and seeing things which aren't there, or ignoring what is there as the kids do.

Talk down if you want, I like to laugh!

[Marlo Stanfield]

:lol:, Marlo- I've watched as much basketball as anybody this year, NBA, NCAA- and for too many years, always with the NBA in mind. Hell, I've helped turn every draft thread into a game discussion, and I make a point of watching so that I know of what I write- instead of turning every college player into the player that I want him to be and seeing things which aren't there, or ignoring what is there as the kids do.

Talk down if you want, I like to laugh!

About Zeller?

Edit: Oh you're talking about Lamb. Bro, go back to JK. I quoted Marvin! who quoted you. My post was in response to him.

[Reignman]

Lamb isn't going ahead of Barnes, you haven't watched enough if you believe that.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

About Zeller?

Edit: Oh you're talking about Lamb. Bro, go back to JK. I quoted Marvin! who quoted you. My post was in response to him.

My fault. We didn't have jk back then.

Re: Zeller, of course he's not a bum. He's got a great mix of size, hands, feet, and motor- his only real drawback is length. I put him in my top ten months ago, though I doubt he's coming out.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

More importantly, a team who can play only one way goes nowhere because good teams will force that team to make adjustments they can't make. See the Toronto Boshes. Versatile players make versatile teams. Lamb is worth more than Barnes or Beal because he can shoot it as well but does a lot more and plays multiple positions.

you see, everyone keeps saying this but I haven't seen it... I think people are expecting him to 'be able to do alot more' based on his skill set/physical traits, but I don't think he has really shown anything other than being a pretty good shooter and a decent scorer - and yes I'm aware that he scored something like 30+ points last night.

I just don't get the infatuation with him - I think people are projecting alot of hopes upon him

I do my best to not project hopes on anybody, I can't stand that, though I'll admit that that's the case with Lamb's D assuming a bit of a weight gain. I like his handle, floaters, passing ability- I've seen him do everything I want a SG to do at some point, however rarely, which is why I'm sold. Bargnani was the same, there was always basis for hope. And his performance when it mattered last year, as a freshman, as Bargnani did as a rook, can't be ignored IMO. I wanted him to come out then, when I though we couldn't get Val. He shot 36/62 in the tourney and rebounded well in the FF.

I'm chalking up the inconsistent aggressiveness to the lack of space inside (raw bigs), coaching and physical/mental maturity. That team is a mess and I hope that causes him to slip. Also, his floor looks as high as any wing's to me.

[ash_k]

About Zeller?

Edit: Oh you're talking about Lamb. Bro, go back to JK. I quoted Marvin! who quoted you. My post was in response to him.

My fault. We didn't have jk back then.

Re: Zeller, of course he's not a bum. He's got a great mix of size, hands, feet, and motor- his only real drawback is length. I put him in my top ten months ago, though I doubt he's coming out.

Zeller? Top 10?

I see a Collison (OKC) type of impact at the next level with his tools; nothing more nothing less which is more than respectable.

especially that Collison type of impact prior to Ibaka taking over and solidifying that 4 position.

A solid contributor.
And again Nick was picked 12th so....

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Zeller? Top 10?

I see a Collison (OKC) type of impact at the next level with his tools; nothing more nothing less which is more than respectable.

especially that Collison type of impact prior to Ibaka taking over and solidifying that 4 position.

A solid contributor.
And again Nick was picked 12th so....

Yeah, like 9-10, as a "safe" pick. Leonard and he will both be better shots to start than Sullinger/Robinson to me and I think they would go higher in the end, when the tape measure comes out (a different one than they used on Robinson last summer). More of a case of the other bigs not projecting well and size having value. But, again, I'd be surprised if he were to declare this year.

[Onlykiwirapsfan]

To be honest I think our draft is going to come down to Beal/Lamb/MKG, with a chance at PJ3. We are most likely picking 4th-8th, and assuming nothing crazy happens in the next couple few months, Davis/Drummond/Barnes are going to be top 3 (whether you like Drummond or not). You can assume at least one of PJ/Sullinger/Robinson gets picked up early as well, so even if we pick like 6th we should get a choice of at least 2 of those 3.

I personally am on the beal/lamb bandwagon (assuming Barnes isnt available). Just like I hated playing a center who didnt rebound/defend, I dont like having a SG without handles/3pth shot (fwiw Bargs is probably my favourite raptor, just as a PF only). I'm a lot more confident going forward with a ?/Lamb or Beal/Johnson+Kleiza/Bargs/Val core than I am say ?/Derozan/MKG/Bargs/Val. Option 1 is such a nicely balanced team.

Even though I think derozan is still a better prospect than our SF's, I am more comfortable with our SF platoon than I am with our SG position. I think the 2 are perfect complements and can between them give us a pretty solid (if not spectacular) 48m from the position

[sunny]

does anyone know if chad ford's list is his personal preference or a survey of what gm's and scouts think?

[Marlo Stanfield]

does anyone know if chad ford's list is his personal preference or a survey of what gm's and scouts think?

Most likely. It's how he commentates at the combine as well. Most of the ESPN "experts" are way off on the draft, including Bilas.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Scouts have absolutely zero incentive to correct any mock, ever, or to tell guys like Chad the truth.

[fredericklove]

He's not a superstar by any means, there less than 10 of those in the league. He has that Josh Smith, Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay borderline all-star talent. I think MKG will be regarded as a snub a few times in his career and maybe make it once or twice.

I don't know. He looks like he has all the tools to be a superstar.

It's funny ty, you made it look as if you got credibility when you say Barnes shouldn't be drafted top 3 because of this and that. And now you babbled about MKG being a superstar material? I'm a huge fan of MKG but you had me LOL about his "superstar" talent. SMH

[ash_k]

Do I hear MKG ahead of Barnes? my goodness.

Your prototypical NBA SF Barnes with a pure shot and length (and body) taken after skinny MKG.

Even Babcock wouldnt make that mistake

[ATLTimekeeper]

Do I hear MKG ahead of Barnes? my goodness.

Your prototypical NBA SF Barnes with a pure shot and length (and body) taken after skinny MKG.

Even Babcock wouldnt make that mistake

How the hell is he skinny? He's listed at 228 pounds. He weighs more than Barnes.

[ash_k]

Do I hear MKG ahead of Barnes? my goodness.

Your prototypical NBA SF Barnes with a pure shot and length (and body) taken after skinny MKG.

Even Babcock wouldnt make that mistake

How the hell is he skinny? He's listed at 228 pounds. He weighs more than Barnes.

He is wiry, does it sound better?

[ash_k]

6'8 Barnes 6'11 wingspan as a pure shooter vs 6'7 MKG 6'10 Wingspan slasher.

Worst case BArnes is a catch and shoot assassin at the next level
Worst case MKG energy player off the bench.

Which one would you rather risk on with a high pick?

[Marlo Stanfield]

6'8 Barnes 6'11 wingspan as a pure shooter vs 6'7 MKG 6'10 Wingspan slasher.

Worst case BArnes is a catch and shoot assassin at the next level
Worst case MKG energy player off the bench.

Which one would you rather risk on with a high pick?

What is that like Jason Kapono versus Corey Brewer? I'll take the TPE.

[ash_k]

6'8 Barnes 6'11 wingspan as a pure shooter vs 6'7 MKG 6'10 Wingspan slasher.

Worst case BArnes is a catch and shoot assassin at the next level
Worst case MKG energy player off the bench.

Which one would you rather risk on with a high pick?

What is that like Jason Kapono versus Corey Brewer? I'll take the TPE.

Comparing Brewer to MKG is pretty good
But Kapono to Barnes, cmon now..

Don't disrespect Harrison like that