Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[TGW]

Guys--no one wants Blatche. NO ONE. He isn't getting traded, unless it's for a contract as toxic as his.

We should accomodate Marvin and trade for him. He's not great by any means, but at least he can make an outside shot.

We should also make a move for Roddy Beaubois. He would probably be a nice addition as a backup swing guard.

There are some good players available if we choose to nab them.

[verbal8]

Guys--no one wants Blatche. NO ONE. He isn't getting traded, unless it's for a contract as toxic as his.

We should accomodate Marvin and trade for him. He's not great by any means, but at least he can make an outside shot.

Hmm I wonder if Young and Blatche for Williams would appeal to them. They seem deep at SG, but Tmac or Joe Johnson can slide over to SF to take over Williams' minutes.

Williams doesn't seem like he will ever be anything special as a scorer, but it looks like he is at least competent as a shooter. If you are expecting him to live up to the potential of being the 2nd pick, he will be extremely disappointing. I think he might be like Joe Smith who was a bust as a number 1 pick, but not too bad as an actual NBA player.

[tontoz]

Marvin isn't that good but he is way better than Singleton/Lewis. Plus i could see him being more aggressive here than he is there. When JJ has been out Marvin has had some big games, attacking the basket a lot. I remember he got to the foul line 20 times one game when JJ was out.

[verbal8]

Marvin isn't that good but he is way better than Singleton/Lewis. Plus i could see him being more aggressive here than he is there. When JJ has been out Marvin has had some big games, attacking the basket a lot. I remember he got to the foul line 20 times one game when JJ was out.

Even though I think his ceiling is pretty low(solid starter). I think any combination of Young, Crawford, Singleton and possibly Seraphin would be worth turning Blatche into a solid player who can create a little space.

[Ruzious]

Marvin isn't that good but he is way better than Singleton/Lewis. Plus i could see him being more aggressive here than he is there. When JJ has been out Marvin has had some big games, attacking the basket a lot. I remember he got to the foul line 20 times one game when JJ was out.

Even though I think his ceiling is pretty low(solid starter). I think any combination of Young, Crawford, Singleton and possibly Seraphin would be worth turning Blatche into a solid player who can create a little space.

Yup, adding Seraphin might help entice Atl because they need depth at center. I believe Seraphin was picked with the Atl pick acquired in the Hinrich trade. And even if Marvin isn't a premium player worthy of once being the 2nd pick in the draft, his skills fit the Wiz needs very well - a young physically talented player capable of hitting a high percentage of 3's and playing solid defense.

[tontoz]

Marvin isn't that good but he is way better than Singleton/Lewis. Plus i could see him being more aggressive here than he is there. When JJ has been out Marvin has had some big games, attacking the basket a lot. I remember he got to the foul line 20 times one game when JJ was out.

Even though I think his ceiling is pretty low(solid starter). I think any combination of Young, Crawford, Singleton and possibly Seraphin would be worth turning Blatche into a solid player who can create a little space.

I would be less inclined to trade Seraphin but realistically any deal that brings back a shorter contract in exchange for Blatche is a good one as long as we aren't giving up picks.

[queridiculo]

I've always been a fan of Williams, like his game. Not a great player, but he gives you defense, rebounding, a nice touch from outside. On top of that he plays with a bit of an attitude, and god knows we could use it.

He's been through the losing early on in Atlanta and I'm sure he's burning for an opportunity to step up and take more responsibility.

Blatche around a bit of veteran leadership in Atlanta may just work out, but I'd anybody not named Wall or McGee to bring him in the fold.

Please make it happen EG, it's just too painful watching Singleton and Lewis at the 3...

[Nivek]

I would trade ANYONE on the roster except Wall and McGee if I could include Blatche and get back an expiring contract.

I'd say ouch if it was Booker, but I'd still do it. I think Booker could be a solid part of a quality rotation as the team adds talent and gets better.

[dobrojim]

fwiw, Seraphin was CHI's pick not ATL's.
We got Singleton with the pick that was ATL's

[Nivek]

How about Blatche, Young and cash for Marvin Williams and filler?

[tontoz]

I went to a Hawks board proposing Blatche/Singleton for Marvin. Their response was meh even though they like Singleton. Blatche is going to be tough to trade.

I still think Blatche should just be amnestied and Lewis bought out. Of course it is always easy to spend someone else's money.

[verbal8]

I still think Blatche should just be amnestied and Lewis bought out. Of course it is always easy to spend someone else's money.

I think that gets the biggest savings from both.

I think buying out Lewis has the potential to save some money if Washington agrees to buy him out early and give him the most time to find the best situation. I definitely think more of Blatche's salary would be paid in an amnesty claim than Lewis.

[Nivek]

The problem with using the amnesty thing on Blatche and then buying out Lewis is that it spends a lot of money, but doesn't buy the Wizards much cap room. There's no reason for Lewis to take anything less than the guaranteed portion of his salary, which is about $13.6 million if I recall correctly. That $13.6 million would still count against the cap. So, Washington would give Lewis $13.6 million, and give Blatche $23.4 million -- a combined $37 million. And they'd end up with an extra $7.1 million in cap space.

[tontoz]

The problem with using the amnesty thing on Blatche and then buying out Lewis is that it spends a lot of money, but doesn't buy the Wizards much cap room. There's no reason for Lewis to take anything less than the guaranteed portion of his salary, which is about $13.6 million if I recall correctly. That $13.6 million would still count against the cap. So, Washington would give Lewis $13.6 million, and give Blatche $23.4 million -- a combined $37 million. And they'd end up with an extra $7.1 million in cap space.

I don't understand your math. Lewis is scheduled to make $22.7 million next year. If they buy him out for $13.6 that is $9 million in cap space. Then amnestying Blatche gives them an additional $7 million for a total of $16 million in additional cap space.

Obviously it would be preferrable to trade Blatche but i doubt they will be able to.

[Nivek]

I see what you're saying. Here's my understanding: I've been told that the non-guaranteed part of his deal is funny money in the sense that he won't be able to earn it unless he gets traded to a title contender.

If the Wiz are required to count the full value of his deal -- including incentives -- then you're right that they'd get another $10+ million in cap room (the maximum he could earn would be $23.8 million). But, only the "likely to be earned" (I'm not sure if that's the right phrase, but it's something like that) have to be counted against the cap. And since most of Lewis's incentives are based on stuff like reaching the Finals, I don't think they'd have to count those incentives against the cap.

Note the word "think". I'm not 100% sure. You might be right, in which case I say let's spend Ted's money.

[tontoz]

That is odd. So he would get only $13.6 even if he played all next season? That makes the Arenas trade even more of a win, not that it was ever in doubt.

[Nivek]

That is odd. So he would get only $13.6 even if he played all next season? That makes the Arenas trade even more of a win, not that it was ever in doubt.

That's my understanding. The incentives in the deal are unreachable for him unless he becomes an All-Star and/or the Wizards reach the Finals. There may be some smaller reachable incentives in there, but we're talking on the order of tens of thousands, not millions.

[mhd]

My latest:

Wiz trade Blatche+Turiaf for Marvin Williams+Matt Caroll
Hawks trade Hinrich+Williams for Felton+Maggette
Por trades Felton+Elliot Williams for Hinrich+Turiaf
Cha trades Maggette+Caroll for Elliott Wiliams+Blatche

WHY FOR THE BLAZERS? Felton is unhappy. Hinrich is an upgrade on D. Turiaf is an expiring who can provide some beef in the middle.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS? Maggette provides bench scoring and Felton changes things up.

WHY FOR THE BOBCATS? They save a bit of raw money now with getting rid of Caroll and Maggette and taking on Blatche and Williams. Williams needs PT, and he'll get that in Charlotte. Rick Cho drafted him and may want to see what he can do. Blatche gives them a capable big who can play center.

WHY FOR THE WIZ? Marvin Williams actually fits what they want at SF in terms of a kickout option for Wall. They also get rid of Blatche who has no future on the team. They agree to take on Caroll's last year to get the deal done.

[LyricalRico]

^ Nice work, mhd. I'd definitely do it from a Wiz perspective. As for the other teams, Hinrich is probably more of a McMillan PG and they get a big. That works well for them. The combo of Charlotte saving money, getting a young big, and the Williams-Cho connection makes me think they'd be in also.

My only question would be with Atlanta - yes they are struggling, but would they add a potentially fatal chemistry killer in Maggette? If the prize the really want is Felton and POR is interested in Hinrich, why go through the trouble of a 4-way? They can just swap PGs straight up and cut all the other teams out of the deal. Then they'd be free to shop Williams for something else.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

My latest:

Wiz trade Blatche+Turiaf for Marvin Williams+Matt Caroll
Hawks trade Hinrich+Williams for Felton+Maggette
Por trades Felton+Elliot Williams for Hinrich+Turiaf
Cha trades Maggette+Caroll for Elliott Wiliams+Blatche

WHY FOR THE BLAZERS? Felton is unhappy. Hinrich is an upgrade on D. Turiaf is an expiring who can provide some beef in the middle.

WHY FOR THE HAWKS? Maggette provides bench scoring and Felton changes things up.

WHY FOR THE BOBCATS? They save a bit of raw money now with getting rid of Caroll and Maggette and taking on Blatche and Williams. Williams needs PT, and he'll get that in Charlotte. Rick Cho drafted him and may want to see what he can do. Blatche gives them a capable big who can play center.

WHY FOR THE WIZ? Marvin Williams actually fits what they want at SF in terms of a kickout option for Wall. They also get rid of Blatche who has no future on the team. They agree to take on Caroll's last year to get the deal done.

I love this but the Hawks GM needs to be FIRED if he takes Maggette for scoring off the bench. I think there are a few NCAA guards better than Felton.

mhd, this seems good for Washington, Portland, and Charlotte, IMO.