Jan Vesely

[TheBigThree]

How about when he let Channing Fing Frye follow-slam a FT miss on him?

It's going to be years before he contributes meaningfully more than once every 10 games.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wittman saw fit to sub Vesely in for McGee, and to leave Javale on the bench the rest of the way. Lewis was in there with Vesely when the Suns really went to work inside

Vesely's apparently the #2 C and first sub in no matter how McGee is doing. Seraphin is riding deep pine now that Vesely is the backup C.

[dobrojim]

I wouldn't be surprised if that changes, depending on matchups of course.
Kev had decent minutes vs PHO as opposed to most of the team.

[Ruzious]

Shout-out to Ruz. Did you see Markieff Morris post-up Ves, then hit both of his FT's after getting fouled by Ves? Ves had to go to the bench after that.

Yeah, he got schooled twice in a row by kieff and then got benched for it - not a good sign for Vesely when he's supposed to be a good defensive player.

Full disclosure - I liked Marcus more than Markieff, and Marcus is still playing in the DLeague for Houston - and got a black mark from his NBA team for whining about it.

Edit - Update from Hoopsrumors.com yesterday:

•The Rockets recalled Marcus Morris from their D-League affiliate, tweets Jason Friedman of Rockets.com. Morris, 22, only played limited minutes in three early games this season for Houston, but posted big numbers for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers during his two D-League stints, averaging 20.7 points and 8.3 rebounds in 30 minutes per game. The Rockets had assigned the 14th overall pick to Rio Grande on February 3rd.

[closg00]

Shout-out to Ruz. Did you see Markieff Morris post-up Ves, then hit both of his FT's after getting fouled by Ves? Ves had to go to the bench after that.

Yeah, he got schooled twice in a row by kieff and then got benched for it - not a good sign for Vesely when he's supposed to be a good defensive player.

Full disclosure - I liked Marcus more than Markieff, and Marcus is still playing in the DLeague for Houston - and got a black mark from his NBA team for whining about it.

Edit - Update from Hoopsrumors.com yesterday:

•The Rockets recalled Marcus Morris from their D-League affiliate, tweets Jason Friedman of Rockets.com. Morris, 22, only played limited minutes in three early games this season for Houston, but posted big numbers for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers during his two D-League stints, averaging 20.7 points and 8.3 rebounds in 30 minutes per game. The Rockets had assigned the 14th overall pick to Rio Grande on February 3rd.

I-too like Marcus over Markieff. Houston has the luxury of too-many assets so they sent Marcus to the D _League. Marcus should have kept quiet, but the guy is winner in my opinion, he wants to play.

[Dat2U]

Ves as an individual defender leaves alot to be desired. Actually most of his game leaves alot to be desired.

Three things so far realized: Offensively his skill level is very limited so he's stuck at PF or C. He's overmatched against many post players due to lack of strength. And he rebounds like a SF.

This guy was a dud of a pick at 6. Maybe he makes himself useful in time so he's not a complete bust. But I'm pretty much ready to call the dude a bust IMO.

[Dat2U]

Yeah, he got schooled twice in a row by kieff and then got benched for it - not a good sign for Vesely when he's supposed to be a good defensive player.

Full disclosure - I liked Marcus more than Markieff, and Marcus is still playing in the DLeague for Houston - and got a black mark from his NBA team for whining about it.

Edit - Update from Hoopsrumors.com yesterday:

•The Rockets recalled Marcus Morris from their D-League affiliate, tweets Jason Friedman of Rockets.com. Morris, 22, only played limited minutes in three early games this season for Houston, but posted big numbers for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers during his two D-League stints, averaging 20.7 points and 8.3 rebounds in 30 minutes per game. The Rockets had assigned the 14th overall pick to Rio Grande on February 3rd.

I-too like Marcus over Markieff. Houston has the luxury of too-many assets so they sent Marcus to the D _League. Marcus should have kept quiet, but the guy is winner in my opinion, he wants to play.

Exactly what position the Marcus play in the NBA? He may be better than Vesely but he looks like a tweener to me. Who does he defend at the NBA level?

[closg00]

I believe Marcus Morris when he says he's a SF. He's a versatile player who can do a lot and he would have fit-in nicely our line-up after Shard is gone.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Morris-5178/

[Nivek]

Mentioned this in another thread, but Marcus Morris's efficiency is a red flag for me. He's using a TON of possessions -- #1 in per minute possession usage in the D-League stats I could dig up -- but with poor efficiency. Terrel Harris, for example, in his brief D-League stint used lots of possessions but was uber efficient.

[closg00]

Mentioned this in another thread, but Marcus Morris's efficiency is a red flag for me. He's using a TON of possessions -- #1 in per minute possession usage in the D-League stats I could dig up -- but with poor efficiency. Terrel Harris, for example, in his brief D-League stint used lots of possessions but was uber efficient.

Marcus was a very efficient college player.

[Nivek]

Just looked, and he was indeed efficient in college -- and high usage too. Ed Weiland actually liked Morris better than Derrick Williams as a prospect coming out of college. Looking closer at the numbers, I see that Morris is shooting 5.7 threes per 40 minutes in the D-League -- and making just 25% of them.

Just guessing here, but the Rockets probably sent him to the minors to work on his 3pt shot. He rebounded well in the D-League. And had a lot of turnovers. Interesting. I'd probably lean more toward what he did in college. We're talking 330 total D-League minutes. Just 4 more made threes and his 3pt percentage is an acceptable 34% (about what he shot in his last season at Kansas). And his ortg would be up to slightly above average for the D-League stats I pulled up.

[TGW]

Dat--everything about Morris looks like a small forward to me. He plays alot like Caron Butler IMO. He likes to get in the post but he can pull up off the dribble too, just like Caron did in his AS days.

The only difference I see between he and Caron is height...Marcus is a legit 6'9, while Caron is only 6'6.

[Dat2U]

Dat--everything about Morris looks like a small forward to me. He plays alot like Caron Butler IMO. He likes to get in the post but he can pull up off the dribble too, just like Caron did in his AS days.

The only difference I see between he and Caron is height...Marcus is a legit 6'9, while Caron is only 6'6.

If he moved like he was 6-6 then it would be a different story. I wonder about the lateral quickness and agility against other SFs. And I don't see him creating much off the dribble like Caron did. Does Morris even have that type of handle? I've always viewed him as an undersized PF. When in doubt in regards to tweener forwards, I assume the player is an undersized PF as opposed to an oversized SF.

[TGW]

Dat--everything about Morris looks like a small forward to me. He plays alot like Caron Butler IMO. He likes to get in the post but he can pull up off the dribble too, just like Caron did in his AS days.

The only difference I see between he and Caron is height...Marcus is a legit 6'9, while Caron is only 6'6.

If he moved like he was 6-6 then it would be a different story. I wonder about the lateral quickness and agility against other SFs. And I don't see him creating much off the dribble like Caron did. Does Morris even have that type of handle? I've always viewed him as an undersized PF. When in doubt in regards to tweener forwards, I assume the player is an undersized PF as opposed to an oversized SF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XBEwjFHDzM


Check out this video...hardly scout material, but at 1:30 you can see that he does have competent handles for a forward. Morris likes to put the ball on the floor, square up, and release. I'd say his handles are much more fluid than either Singleton or Lewis, and they are considered small forwards. I also used the Butler comparison to show you that small forwards don't necessarily need ankle-breaking handles to be effective...if you can take 2 dribbles and execute a good offensive basketball move, you can be effective, whether it's a pullup or a hard take to the rim.

I just see alot of offensive potential in the guy.

[The Consiglieri]

Shout-out to Ruz. Did you see Markieff Morris post-up Ves, then hit both of his FT's after getting fouled by Ves? Ves had to go to the bench after that.

Yeah, he got schooled twice in a row by kieff and then got benched for it - not a good sign for Vesely when he's supposed to be a good defensive player.

Full disclosure - I liked Marcus more than Markieff, and Marcus is still playing in the DLeague for Houston - and got a black mark from his NBA team for whining about it.

Edit - Update from Hoopsrumors.com yesterday:

•The Rockets recalled Marcus Morris from their D-League affiliate, tweets Jason Friedman of Rockets.com. Morris, 22, only played limited minutes in three early games this season for Houston, but posted big numbers for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers during his two D-League stints, averaging 20.7 points and 8.3 rebounds in 30 minutes per game. The Rockets had assigned the 14th overall pick to Rio Grande on February 3rd.

I-too like Marcus over Markieff. Houston has the luxury of too-many assets so they sent Marcus to the D _League. Marcus should have kept quiet, but the guy is winner in my opinion, he wants to play.

I think everyone did with only a minor exception here and there until the draft happened, later on, during the summer, i read a few little things here and there, including something David Thorpe wrote up, arguing that Markieff was fundamentally the better current and long term NBA prospect, period (after working with them).

So there was something that scouts and GM's must have seen in private work outs which lead to Markieff going earlier and made this development not too surprising.

All I know is that I had no interest in either of them as I didnt think either would make great pro's, at the time I didnt have an issue with Vesely, but preferred Kantner, Williams or Valunciunas, barring them, I was fine with Vesely, or a trade down. I don't view Vesely as a bust, though I understand why some do, or most do, I just think he's definitively one of those guys who it may take a long time (2 years ?) to figure out just how much there will be to his career.

We'll see. He certainly could be a bust, and if he is, that will stink, but I wont cry bitter tears as the draft sucked in my view anyway, and there wasn't a true difference maker to be had that we couldnt easily get in free agency, but all the same it will be disappointing if he ends up no better than the other euro from several years ago, Pech.

[closg00]

Thanks to Mike Prada for his player-evaluation series he has been running, here is the Ves evaluation with the hard data.
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/2/25 ... #storyjump


Here is the synopsis.

SYNOPSIS: You can't measure the things Vesely does well with a bunch of numbers, but you have to at least bring something to the table there that gives you value. No matter how good a pick-and-roll defender and full-court runner Vesely may be, he is simply is too inept offensively to be much of an NBA player right now. The combination of his microscopic usage rate and his humongous turnover rate is a huge red flag and is exactly what so many of us were scared of seeing when Ernie Grunfeld selected him sixth in the 2011 NBA Draft. There's also the matter of what position he plays, and while the NBA is going further and further away towards rigid on-court designations, it's hard for any coach to really envision where Vesely fits in. The Wizards have to hope Vesely shows them some skills by the end of the year, because otherwise, there's really not much separating him from Jared Jeffries on his worst nights

Pretty-much what we where saying before the draft.

[hands11]

Ves looked pretty damn good this last game.

[dangermouse]

I thought Ves was going to dish the ball off to the trailing man on that 1 on 2 fast break. I kind of forgot that he had hops like that, quite a good looking slam.

If Ves had more minutes I wouldnt have been surprised if he got a dunk comp invite especially with McGee opting out. Wouldnt mind something like that happening, I would be real interested to see what kind of jams he is capable of in that setting.

[Mmat11]

I thought Ves was going to dish the ball off to the trailing man on that 1 on 2 fast break. I kind of forgot that he had hops like that, quite a good looking slam.

If Ves had more minutes I wouldnt have been surprised if he got a dunk comp invite especially with McGee opting out. Wouldnt mind something like that happening, I would be real interested to see what kind of jams he is capable of in that setting.

His best dunk in a Wiz uni to date.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fjt3N0nFM[/youtube]


If you look at the comments section on this vid...his Czech Republic fans are already all up on this, lol.

Anyone know what his vertical is, or care to venture a guess? Over/under 35"?

[Ed Wood]

I thought Ves was going to dish the ball off to the trailing man on that 1 on 2 fast break. I kind of forgot that he had hops like that, quite a good looking slam.

If Ves had more minutes I wouldnt have been surprised if he got a dunk comp invite especially with McGee opting out. Wouldnt mind something like that happening, I would be real interested to see what kind of jams he is capable of in that setting.

Presumably something shameful and apparently equipped without twice as many joints as is usually the case; such is the fate of the white man dunker.