Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

shan12345 · Post #421 » by **shan12345** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:42 pm

just wondering but can bradley beal play point guard in a stephen curry like role?? according to chad ford, one of his strengths is court vision.

ash_k · Post #422 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:45 pm

MKG equals Terrence Williams.

Not good enoough of a shooter to be a shooting guards and not quite big enough to be starting SF at the next level.

Both all-around talents.

Post #423 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:45 pm

ash_k wrote:Due to the long arms of the NBA SF and his lack of elevation quick release or not, that shot will be disrupted even he shifts the player slightly..

Most of the shots Quincy Miller takes are spot ups, and you don't need mad lift spotting up. It's easier to elevate when you're on the move or have momentum. He gets good enough lift off the floor to get his shot off in a triple-threat position. Stop at the 0:11 second mark, that's no where grounded with his shot being contested. And the jump hook at 0:17, he got up high above his defender.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lh3QB7qpT8[/youtube]

ash_k · Post #424 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:48 pm

Undefeated wrote:
ash_k wrote:Due to the long arms of the NBA SF and his lack of elevation quick release or not, that shot will be disrupted even he shifts the player slightly..

Most of the shots Quincy Miller takes are spot ups, and you don't need mad lift spotting up. It's easier to elevate when you're on the move or have momentum. He gets good enough lift off the floor to get his shot off in a triple-threat position. Stop at the 0:11 second mark, that's no where grounded with his shot being contested. And the jump hook at 0:17, he got up high above his defender.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lh3QB7qpT8[/youtube]

When you have NBA SF and others running to contest your shot with gigantic wingspans you do need elevation or your shot will be disrupted/blocked ..especially at the wing position.

highness · Post #425 » by **highness** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:51 pm

I just want one of MKG, Barnes or Q Miller.

fredericklove · Post #426 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:51 pm

ash_k wrote:MKG equals Terrence Williams.

Not good enoough of a shooter to be a shooting guards and not quite big enough to be starting SF at the next level.

Both all-around talents.

Similar skills but world apart in terms of maturity, focus, desires and BBIQ. T-Will makes stupid decisions on the floor and goes out of control frequently and his work ethic isn't impressive. MKG is smarter defensively and very good at pacing and always remains within his zone, he doesn't try to do too much like T-Will does.

Post #427 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:55 pm

Marvin! wrote:no hate at all. i think he'll be a good player - but not a star because he just doesn't have star quality. But people seem convinced that he is a star in the making... thats what i don't get. Although it shouldn't surprise me around here with so many nba2k experts

I'm on record as saying Lamb looks like a potentially complete SG who could play some 1 and 3, based on seeing him do what I'd want him to do for us. If we drafted him, he'd be behind Bargnani and probably Val, like pretty much everybody in this draft- but would be a big 3rd piece.

Who do you like, and why? Care to stick your neck out? Who will be better than "a good player" at the wing?

fredericklove · Post #428 » by **fredericklove** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:55 pm

shan12345 wrote:just wondering but can bradley beal play point guard in a stephen curry like role?? according to chad ford, one of his strengths is court vision.

Court vision is good for a guard but his ball-handling isn't on curry's level. Curry dribbles the ball like a point guard while Beal has the handles that makes him a capable slasher. Besides, Beal is more suited to the SG because he's very good off-ball. Whereas Curry is quite ball-dominant but Beal isn't, and his best comparison is Eric Gordon so can you picture Gordon being a point guard? Me either.

shan12345 · Post #429 » by **shan12345** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:57 pm

if we got the fourth and fifth pick in this draft, wat if we moved down and traded our first round pick and second round pick for utah's two first round picks, only if davis/drummond/barnes are drafted. with the first pick, we can likely draft miller and with the second pick, we can draft bradly beal/jeremy lamb... or something like our first round pick + ed davis for utah's first round pick + enes kanteror etc.........

C_Money · Post #430 » by **C_Money** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:59 pm

MKG is better as an 18 year old freshman than Terrence Williams was as a senior. They're not the same player.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #431 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:01 am

C_Money wrote:MKG is better as an 18 year old freshman than Terrence Williams was as a senior. They're not the same player.

That's why he's more of a Gerald Wallace than Corey Brewer/Terrence Williams.

fredericklove · Post #432 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:05 am

shan12345 wrote:if we got the fourth and fifth pick in this draft, wat if we moved down and traded our first round pick and second round pick for utah's two first round picks, only if davis/drummond/barnes are drafted. with the first pick, we can likely draft miller and with the second pick, we can draft bradly beal/jeremy lamb... or something like our first round pick + ed davis for utah's first round pick + enes kanteror etc.........

The thing is Jazz's 2 round picks are projected to be 11 to 15 ish, that's the perfect range for them because they are pretty stacked in their line up but they have glaring need in PG since Devin Harris is really declining..Within 11 to 15 range where the point guards are stacked there, the jazz is in perfect spot to get one of them (kabongo, teague or wroten) and also get one of Terrence Ross/Jones or Doron Lamb. Those picks are perfect for Jazz.

For us, if we have 4th or 5th we should stick with it. We have a wider range of option to choose from, such as Lamb, Beal, MKG etc. Btw, beal and lamb are likely in 5-8th range, I won't see them in the 11 to 15 range (where Jazz's picks are at)

ash_k · Post #433 » by **ash_k** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:11 am

C_Money wrote:MKG is better as an 18 year old freshman than Terrence Williams was as a senior. They're not the same player.

When finally given the PT; Terrence had the same all-around stats from his Soph to Senior.

Same stats as MKG
12ppg 7 rpg 1spg 1bpg ...Terrence was the better passer statistically 2 to 1.

Lets keep in mind, MKG was given 30minutes right way.

GWallace had a bigger body from the beginning allowing him to cover both SF and SG; MKG just doesnt have the body thus I wouldnt compare him to GWallace

Terrence Williams/Corey Brewer are very good comparison.

Say no to MKG!

ty123 · Post #434 » by **ty123** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:14 am

Say no to Perry Jones!

Marlo Stanfield · Post #435 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:15 am

ty123 wrote:Say no to Perry Jones!

This. MKG will eat his lunch.

fredericklove · Post #436 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:21 am

I'm sorry but Twill/Brewer are terrible comparison. You're comparing two low BBIQ players to MKG. MKG doesn't have the body right now because he's an 18 year old kid right now. Even with T-Will, he bulks up as he went on the senior or Gwallace he's becoming more bulky as nba season went on. If MKG has build up his muscles and gain 3-4 years of College experience or NBA experiences, he'll be much better than you downside him for. MKG plays 30 mins right away because he impacts the game soo much that even Cal said MKG is such a big impact that he had "no choice" but to have him on the floor at all time. How often you see Cal praises a player like that? And when it comes to whether players' skills can translate to the nba, Cal is best at it. For him to say something like that about MKG, he never say anything bad about MKG (thats rare for him when he coaches players).

ash_k · Post #437 » by **ash_k** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:24 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ty123 wrote:Say no to Perry Jones!

This. MKG will eat his lunch.

6'11 with a 7'2 Wingspan and a big body

vs

6'7 with a 6'10 Wingspan and wiry. Both Forwards.

PJ3 is a Small Forward at the next level, you will see!

Which one would rather risk on?

My money is on the 1st aforementioned (as an understatement)

Marlo Stanfield · Post #438 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:26 am

Perry Jones has all these tools plus a beast Robin in Quincy Miller and his team still sucks. I keep saying it, Quincy needs to be their feature player. Scott Drew is just dumb as a brick.

Rapsfan07 · Post #439 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:26 am

I don't like MKG for this team. He's a great fit for the Jazz or NOLA but MKG is a guy who doesn't have any definitive skills..much like DeRozan in that regard. We need a guy who has talents that can be a part of the overall plan for this team.

Right now the guys in the lotto who interest me are:

Davis
Drummond *gulp*
Barnes
Beal
Lamb
Miller

These guys are the best mix of star potential/skills/fit that the draft has to offer to us IMO.

fredericklove · Post #440 » by **fredericklove** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:27 am

ash_k wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
ty123 wrote:Say no to Perry Jones!

This. MKG will eat his lunch.

6'11 with a 7'2 Wingspan and a big body

vs

6'7 with a 6'10 Wingspan and wiry. Both Forwards.

PJ3 is a Small Forward at the next level, you will see!

Which one would rather risk on?

My money is on the 1st aforementioned (as an understatement)

a 6'11 with a 7'2 wingspan body who has no idea how to maximize his potential, but MKG would because of his drive and desires. And in terms of impact potential. MKG > PJ3 any day.

Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?