Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV

[montestewart]

looks like you put several issues in the Cuisinart and pressed "Puree"

I'm stealing that line

[BanndNDC]

jeez. the mortgage settlement keeps getting worse.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/29834f52-582b ... z1mHzGp0dd

know we learn that future modifications made under HAMP (which is subsidized by the taxpayer) will count towards the total. Under HAMP up to 63 cents per dollar of principal is reimbursed by the Govt. It's not a settlement punishing bad acts it's another freaking bailout.

[hands11]

Wow, Rick coming out saying he doesn't agree with Libertarianism. I saw the speech where he said it. He said, they have it wrong about our countries history and there idea about limited government.

This should be interesting if that message makes its rounds. How will that effect his TP vote? Like I said, I really hope we get this debate between Rick, Ron and Obama. Three distinct genuine positions.

One policy that could get changed out of all of this is the war on drug policy. This policy really needs to end. What a waste of capital, resources, freedom/liberties and lives. It has also greatly change the role of policing and the relationship they have to the public as well as minimizing the stigma of having served jail time.

Ron doesn't support it.
Rick doesn't seem to think that is the federal governments role.
And Obama doesn't support it but you haven't seen much of that from him because he is covering his political rss.

You want to close or greatly downsize a federal agency ? I give you the DEA.

With government wasteful spending on the table, you have to hope we can finally get past this stupid policy. We have to stop jailing people and making things worse and wasting tons of money both on enforcement and punishment. This is really no different then the alcohol was. You would think it would be managed the same way and those lessons would be taken into account when it comes to policy.

Prohibition doesn't work. It only makes things worse. It creates gang, violence, and illegal profit to criminals. Tax evasion. Hell, they can't even get drugs out of prisons. Trying to get them out of a free society is an insane idea.

[hands11]

This race just keeps getting better all the time.

[hands11]

Newt says if we elect him we can have $2.50 gas.

I guess he is going to have us all go purchase burritos from Taco Bell.

[daSwami]

Do mine ears deceive me, or did I just hear a "Robin Ficker for Congress 2012" ad on the radio? I might have to move to Maryland just to vote for the guy.

[hands11]

The Senate is really broken. Sad to see one of the remaining moderate R leaving.

The two party system is killing the Senate. It needs an infusion on independents to break the strangle hold the two parties have.

Our three branch system heavily relies on a Senate that is not totally partition. That is the branch that is supposed to be more mature who can make deals and get things done with compromise.

Regardless of what party you support, please support the more moderate mature candidate you can elect into the Senate.

[popper]

The Senate is really broken. Sad to see one of the remaining moderate R leaving.

The two party system is killing the Senate. It needs an infusion on independents to break the strangle hold the two parties have.

Our three branch system heavily relies on a Senate that is not totally partition. That is the branch that is supposed to be more mature who can make deals and get things done with compromise.

Regardless of what party you support, please support the more moderate mature candidate you can elect into the Senate.

The Senate was rendered counter-productive to national interests once they became slaves to the popular vote. We should return to the original process of state legislature appointments. I doubt it will ever happen but hope springs eternal.

[popper]

Obama Quote: Bitter Cling to Religion or Guns

“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

April 12,2008 in San Francisco, CA



Does anyone else notice the irony in the above quote. The people of Pennsylvania, having lost their jobs cling to their first amendment (freedom of religion) and second amendment (the right to bear arms) rights. Why does one have to be defined as bitter to justify the exercise of first and second amendment rights. If they were not bitter, would they then be willing to give up these rights. For instance, if unemployment checks were extended from 99 weeks to 199 weeks would the bitter Pennsylvanians' then be willing to forego their rights?

PA is a state that is highly populated with immigrants. Why would they be anti=immigrant? Perhaps they are not anti-immigrant but anit-illegal-immigrant.

[nate33]

The Senate is really broken. Sad to see one of the remaining moderate R leaving.

The two party system is killing the Senate. It needs an infusion on independents to break the strangle hold the two parties have.

Our three branch system heavily relies on a Senate that is not totally partition. That is the branch that is supposed to be more mature who can make deals and get things done with compromise.

Regardless of what party you support, please support the more moderate mature candidate you can elect into the Senate.

The Senate was rendered counter-productive to national interests once they became slaves to the popular vote. We should return to the original process of state legislature appointments. I doubt it will ever happen but hope springs eternal.

+1

[hands11]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... weeks.html

Wow

[hands11]

Mitt obviously hasn't eaten enough Grits to do anything in the South.

And Newt has no legs outside of Georgia. He couldn't even win a connecting state. But that isnt enough for him to get out. He will stay in as long as someone will put a mic in front of his mouth.

Interesting to watch Mitt's high leverage corporate take over of the Republican Party. He keeps spending but the southern strategy isn't flying.

Then toss in Rush and the Sarah movie.

I'll keep watching the entertainment. Could it actually end up being Rick ?

[fugop]

The Senate is really broken. Sad to see one of the remaining moderate R leaving.

The two party system is killing the Senate. It needs an infusion on independents to break the strangle hold the two parties have.

Our three branch system heavily relies on a Senate that is not totally partition. That is the branch that is supposed to be more mature who can make deals and get things done with compromise.

Regardless of what party you support, please support the more moderate mature candidate you can elect into the Senate.

The Senate was rendered counter-productive to national interests once they became slaves to the popular vote. We should return to the original process of state legislature appointments. I doubt it will ever happen but hope springs eternal.

+1

This is absurd.

1. The Senate is less beholden to popular will than any other legislative body in the West.
2. State legislative appointment would produce a wildly more polarized institution.

[dobrojim]

on a completely different subject and at the risk of repeating myself

Griftopia by Matt Taibbi

really a good read and not quite as one-sided as one might
presuppose considering the subject material. That said,
I'm pretty confident Sev would hate it since Taibbi devotes
a whole chapter of disdain to Greenspan, the Ayn Rand acolyte.

Bottom line - the banksters have stolen the govt from the people.
While making themselves incredibly rich, they not only contributed
essentially nothing to the wealth of the country, they actually destroyed
a great deal of wealth for all but themselves. One of BHO's biggest
failures has been that essentially none of these people have gone to jail.

[Zonkerbl]

Republicans are evil and wrong and stupid.

And terrible basketball players.

Discuss.

[montestewart]

Republicans are evil and wrong and stupid.

And terrible basketball players.

Discuss.

George Mikan was not evil. Was he?

[hands11]

Mitt is a scum bag.

I'm sorry. You don't go mouthing off about the Chin thing like he did just to try to make some political hay. He is only a candidate. He holds no public office. When our Country is in delicate negotiations, just STFU and wait to see what happens. There will be time to chime in later if needed.

What a drama queen. Does he really have nothing positive to run on expect for just making stuff up wholesale. And watching Michelle stand up there and fold like a chair endorsing him was comical. But Mitt would make the perfect puppet for that parties backers. If nothing else he has proven he will be whoever they want him to be.

It's not like we can just take the guy. How would it look to any of us if the shoe was on the other foot and China just took some US citizen that we had on lock down right in the middle of some other negotiations.

[Severn Hoos]

Republicans are evil and wrong and stupid.

And terrible basketball players.

Discuss.

You just did. Is there anything more to add?

[nate33]

Republicans are evil and wrong and stupid.

And terrible basketball players.

Discuss.

You just did. Is there anything more to add?

I dunno, with an opener like that, how can we not have a stimulating and fruitful conversation?

[Severn Hoos]

C'mon nate, that passes for insightful thinking in some circles.


Actually, knowing zonker, I'm giving him the green-font benefit of the doubt here.