(Building Around Wall) no pun, but what need to be done?

[Knighthonor]

No pun intended,

But how do the wizards build around Wall?

I know they met a gameplay wall, but that's not the kind of wall I am talking about. I am talking about John Wall.

Building around him. What does that mean, and what need to be done to get it working properly?

Has this "Build Around Wall" plan already been set into motion?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

1. Hire Dave Joerger as coach.

2. Get rid of negatives on this team: Lewis, Blatche, Young, Crawford, and probably Singleton.

3. Ask Wall what he thinks of McGee. If Wall thinks Javale is a keeper, pay Javale what DeAndre Jordan got. If Wall doesn't like Javale, then trade McGee before the deadline.

4. Play Mack with Wall at times. Shelvin has a calm game and he is a winning ball player despite physical limitations. He has a strong will and is not a selfish shot jacker with a shoot-first mentality, unlike others.

5. Start Vesely at SF and play him good minutes the rest of the way. Vesely spaces the floor, cuts, passes, and has a fine approach to the game. He is a SF who can occasionally play PF or C, but for now should be a SF exclusively.

6. Start Booker at PF and play him average starter minutes (32+).

7. Use Seraphin a whole lot more, even with McGee. K Sera is the best positional defending big man on the team because he is massive and agile and can block shots. He holds position at both ends. Forget about the plays and put the talent on the floor--even if he doesn't defend PnR and he makes mistakes. ALSO, the guy CAN play PF next to McGee.

8. GET SOME SHOOTERS FROM THE D-LEAGUE or trade.

9. Look to stock up on proven shooters/scorers/leaders in free agency or trade now.

The best thing the Wizards could do IMO is trade away a pick just to get rid of dead weight (above) and replace with shooters. Free agents include some oldies but goodies and young guys who can shoot. (Terry, Nash, Allen, Billups, Farmar, Pietrus, Ryan Anderson, Ilyasova, Batum).

10. Read RealGM and do what I suggest, just once.

[The Fax]

Easy, get some talent.

Out of our entire roster, there is really only 1 starting caliber player on a championship team, and that's John Wall (assuming he continues to get better). Literally the rest of the roster is full of role-players and scrubs on good teams.

Keep the following:

Wall (2nd option on a championship team)
Booker (role-player)
Vesely (role-player)
Singleton (role-palyer)
McGee?
Young (1st guard off the bench on a championship team)

IDK about McGee. He's basically just now entering his prime, yet we still don't know what exactly to expect. I can see reason we retain him and reason we let him walk. Right now though, he's got a lot to prove to show that he belongs on a championship aspiring team. The rest of the roster is expendable.

We got a lot of holes to fill. We need another legitimate star player to pair with Wall first and foremost. Once we do that, the future is bright.

[doclinkin]

Land Anthony Davis in the draft. (Dominant two-way big).

Fill-in with high percentage shooters for all other positions, especially if they have a desire to defend as well. (Jeffrey Taylor of Vanderbilt, eg.). Remember to select players who can rebound on the defensive end especially. Select key players from championship teams who have played well in one-and-done tournaments.

Hire a coach who makes smart adjustments and reads match-ups well, proven to win at another level. (Dave Joerger, say)

Improve scouting, hire an advanced metrics guy who loves this squad and knows how to articulate where we're falling short and knows who to consult and how to beat the bushes for good ideas when his own preconceptions get in the way. (Our boy Kev).

Change the stadium seats to red, so even a half empty stadium looks vibrant. And fix the lighting support rack so the building can be lit showcase style (dimmed audience lights bright show floor).

Develop a D-League squad with tendrils out to that PG County talent pipeline. Develop brand loyalty at the grassroots level. Hire a coach for that squad who runs a similar system as the big league team. (Send down Sammy for seasoning, say).

When in doubt ask yourself what would San Antonio do?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yep, ask yourself "What would San Antonio do?" You might want to also look at other working models of NBA transformation to success.

How did Boston do it? How did LAL do it? How did Chicago do it? How did OKC do it? How has Philadelphia turned around so quickly? What elements were present to enable the Clippers to make the deal? What has New York done? They are all different stories, but several have common themes.

Washington has some young talent, like OKC and Chicago did, but to a lesser extent. Washington has salary to make a deal and they also have cap space to bid on free agents, soon. They will some combination of lottery pick, young talent, and desirable expiring contract to make a big move if they choose.

The Wizards just need to look around to see who's got what they need and if the Wizards can give the other team something in return. It is not really all that difficult, IMO, to envision turning it around.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh, I have been really hard on Singleton. They really should send him to D-League IMO, where he can work on his offense and confidence. Make him concentrate on boxing out, moving laterally to defend, everything. Singleton might be able to make a three, but he's really lost when trying to defend guys like Paul Pierce. He should be sent to D-League IMO.

OR, trade him.

(PS The Wizards had a better player in Larry Owens from the D-League, IMO. He's just older and more experienced than Singleton. Let Chris go to D-League.)

[Mmat11]

We should focus on building a coherent team around Wall, which would mean perhaps picking a less talented player but one who would fit better with our roster.

For example...

Draft MKG and target Ryan Anderson at PF. Combine a slasher with a shooter. We need that type of balance.

Draft Harrison Barnes (who already complements the styles of Wall and Booker) and go hard after Eric Gordon (easier said than done) who can hit the 3 ball as well as drive.

Draft Sullinger/Robinson and sign Batum because he can hit the 3 ball as well as drive.

You get the idea. Either scenario I think the draft should dictate who we go after in FA. And as I mentioned, Barnes is already a better fit with our roster than MKG. Which is why I give the slight edge to Barnes right now. It is close between them but Barnes is better suited to play with Wall. If we get MKG we have to make sure to surround him and Wall with shooters. Because as it stands, neither can be relied upon to hit a jumper and both provide overlapping skills.

[Mmat11]

5. Start Vesely at SF and play him good minutes the rest of the way. Vesely spaces the floor, cuts, passes, and has a fine approach to the game. He is a SF who can occasionally play PF or C, but for now should be a SF exclusively.

The reason Vesely does not get run at SF is because he has no jump shot. At all. Think of how debilitating a lineup of Wall-Young-Vesely-Booker-McGee would be if Young is off. It is not even fair on Wall to put him out there with that lineup.

Then again, putting Rashard Lewis out there at F is the essentially the same result. Dude misses 75.4% of his jumpers from beyond the arc. And that is supposed to be his greatest asset. Can someone tell me why he averages more minutes per game than Trevor Booker??

We need shooters on this team. Getting back to my point above, everything remaining equal, I would favor Barnes over MKG in the draft right now.

[doclinkin]

Welcome on boards Mmatt.

I agree in all respects but the conclusion. Essentially the model for offensive success with Wall is similar to that of the Celts with Rondo: In the halfcourt sets you need shooters with range at every position to draw opponents away from the paint and allow lanes for penetration. When opponents adjust to cut off the dribble-drive attack, Wall has the option of kicking out to shooters who fill in behind him, or dumping off to a cutter on the weakside.

As it stands the team can't take full advantage of our best mismatch. John Wall's speed with the ball puts every opponent off balance, but at this point he can only split a doubleteam then drive right into the third defender or flip up something weak, avoiding the 3rd player.

Championship teams like Dallas last year win with dribble-attack guards like JJ Barea and JET since they have ranged bigs who can invert the polygon of opponents' defense. Slowerfooted bigs leave the interior to chase outside shooters. The rules are skewed in favor of the ballhandler. Pau's presence gives LAL similar versatility.

Until Wall develops a reliable jumper and until we can post perimeter snipers we can't exploit our 2nd best mismatch: JaVale's unmatched length + athleticism. JaVale needs a little room to operate, when the interior is clogged he tends to lean on low percentage shots like a fadeaway hook running away from the basket, But given a bit of daylight he can use his Mr Fantastic elastic arms and swiftly improving footwork to get around a single defender and finish.

Most importantly we need stalwart defensive rebounding from all positions to turn our defense into an offensive weapon and allow John's unbeatable breakaway speed to rock opponents on their heels. I focus on defensive rebounding since offensive rebounding from perimeter players can lead to problems in transition defense. We've got players whose length and aggression on D force opponent misses but too often also see a last second desperate heave end up in the hands of the attacking team for a re-set of the clock or an easy putback. We challenge the shot well, and have the length to cover a ton of ground, but need to finish the job. With improved rebounding and quick reactions after the change of possession we get easy baskets at the other end.

Lastly, we need competitive drive. Players who hate to lose even more than they enjoy winning. Players who have more will and skill than talent, even while their talent may be considerable. One need only witness LeBron's late-season meltdowns to understand that championships are won by supremely talented OVERacheivers. Hard workers who refuse to make mistakes, would rather fight than quit. Players who can hit a critical late-game Free Throw no matter whose bad breath is in their ear. Dogs who chase trucks hoping to run down and devour them. That sort of competitive rage brings its own synergy, improves the entire roster with an infusion of the right attitude. Prevents other players fro distracting and slacking. Think Ray Lewis and the Ravens. (In this respect I think the upside of a MKG far surpasses the natural fit of a player like tarheel HarBar).

So, if I were engineering a player to fit this team I would create an unselfish burly low-post rebounder with a bit of range to his jumper and good passing. Jared Sullinger with a little more length or athleticism. Or DeMarcus Cousins with better-directed cussedness, better shooting. -- Or failing that I'd take a smarter version of JaVale McGee, and either build from there, or use JVMcG as a trade asset if they couldn't co-exist. This draft has the latter (smarter McGee) in Anthony Davis, and an economy version of the former in, well, Jared Sullinger.

The rest is easier to find: reliable jumpshooters who can defend a little bit. Mix and match with the best of our current roster, as needed. These can be found deeper in the draft and at better value than say Harrison Barnes, who is a nice player, and will continue to improve, but will go a little too early for his oncourt value.

SO:
Defensive rebounding.
High percentage perimeter shooting.
On court IQ.
Competitive fire.

Those would be my roster priorities if I was building around John Wall in specific. That and to hire a low-post coach that can light a fire in JaVale, teach him to love the weight room, teach him a few dirty tricks and help him hone his considerable talents to an unstoppable arsenal, even when heavily defended.

(Looking at that list above, hmmn, maybe I'm looking at prolific rebounder Thomas Robinson. --I wouldn't hate that pick, and he'd love to be closer to home and his little sister. Would be nice to recruit a player who is happy to be here, has ties to the area in a good way. Mature and a fighter all the way. My only question marks being his length on D.)

[hands11]

We really need another thread for this ?

I guess CCJ first post pretty much summaries most of my positions so no real need to retype all of that.

What needs to be done ? Short term ? By trade deadline ? Long term ? These things are interconnected and should be fluid depending on updated information and what specific long term plan you have.

There isnt any one set answer for the long term build. It depends on how the pieces fit together. What I do know is this. Between the SG and SF position you need some pure shooting, maturity/star power, ball handing and ability to score off the drive. This team doesnt have that and until they add it, they will suck.

SG and SF: Nick, Crawford, Mason, Singleton, Lewis

That is not nearly enough. You have one ball handler and two streaky shooters.

[Nivek]

Start with the 4 factors that determine who wins and loses games.

Wiz are:

- 26th in efg differential
- 26th in rebounding differential
- 14th in turnover differential
- 27th in ftm/fga differential

They shoot badly, rebound badly, and they don't get to the line frequently. (And, before we go down the road of "the refs are biased against the Wizards" -- the 5 best teams at getting to the line are OKC, Miami, Denver, Minnesota and Indiana. The next 5: New York, Utah, Sacramento, Cleveland and NJ. Followed by Detroit, the Clippers, Portland and the Lakers.)

In other words, the Wizards need talent. Desperately. At every position except PG. Not "potential" but honest-to-god elite TALENT. Of course they'll need guys who can shoot and pass and defend and rebound and all that. But what they need first and foremost is some high-quality talent to take over at SG, SF, PF and maybe C (depending on what they do with McGee).

And I co-sign with those who want Joerger. I thought he should have been the guy when they hired Flip.

[closg00]

Relevant article.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... #pagebreak

[TGW]

Welcome on boards Mmatt.

I agree in all respects but the conclusion. Essentially the model for offensive success with Wall is similar to that of the Celts with Rondo: In the halfcourt sets you need shooters with range at every position to draw opponents away from the paint and allow lanes for penetration. When opponents adjust to cut off the dribble-drive attack, Wall has the option of kicking out to shooters who fill in behind him, or dumping off to a cutter on the weakside.

As it stands the team can't take full advantage of our best mismatch. John Wall's speed with the ball puts every opponent off balance, but at this point he can only split a doubleteam then drive right into the third defender or flip up something weak, avoiding the 3rd player.

Championship teams like Dallas last year win with dribble-attack guards like JJ Barea and JET since they have ranged bigs who can invert the polygon of opponents' defense. Slowerfooted bigs leave the interior to chase outside shooters. The rules are skewed in favor of the ballhandler. Pau's presence gives LAL similar versatility.

Until Wall develops a reliable jumper and until we can post perimeter snipers we can't exploit our 2nd best mismatch: JaVale's unmatched length + athleticism. JaVale needs a little room to operate, when the interior is clogged he tends to lean on low percentage shots like a fadeaway hook running away from the basket, But given a bit of daylight he can use his Mr Fantastic elastic arms and swiftly improving footwork to get around a single defender and finish.

Most importantly we need stalwart defensive rebounding from all positions to turn our defense into an offensive weapon and allow John's unbeatable breakaway speed to rock opponents on their heels. I focus on defensive rebounding since offensive rebounding from perimeter players can lead to problems in transition defense. We've got players whose length and aggression on D force opponent misses but too often also see a last second desperate heave end up in the hands of the attacking team for a re-set of the clock or an easy putback. We challenge the shot well, and have the length to cover a ton of ground, but need to finish the job. With improved rebounding and quick reactions after the change of possession we get easy baskets at the other end.

Lastly, we need competitive drive. Players who hate to lose even more than they enjoy winning. Players who have more will and skill than talent, even while their talent may be considerable. One need only witness LeBron's late-season meltdowns to understand that championships are won by supremely talented OVERacheivers. Hard workers who refuse to make mistakes, would rather fight than quit. Players who can hit a critical late-game Free Throw no matter whose bad breath is in their ear. Dogs who chase trucks hoping to run down and devour them. That sort of competitive rage brings its own synergy, improves the entire roster with an infusion of the right attitude. Prevents other players fro distracting and slacking. Think Ray Lewis and the Ravens. (In this respect I think the upside of a MKG far surpasses the natural fit of a player like tarheel HarBar).

So, if I were engineering a player to fit this team I would create an unselfish burly low-post rebounder with a bit of range to his jumper and good passing. Jared Sullinger with a little more length or athleticism. Or DeMarcus Cousins with better-directed cussedness, better shooting. -- Or failing that I'd take a smarter version of JaVale McGee, and either build from there, or use JVMcG as a trade asset if they couldn't co-exist. This draft has the latter (smarter McGee) in Anthony Davis, and an economy version of the former in, well, Jared Sullinger.

The rest is easier to find: reliable jumpshooters who can defend a little bit. Mix and match with the best of our current roster, as needed. These can be found deeper in the draft and at better value than say Harrison Barnes, who is a nice player, and will continue to improve, but will go a little too early for his oncourt value.

SO:
Defensive rebounding.
High percentage perimeter shooting.
On court IQ.
Competitive fire.

Those would be my roster priorities if I was building around John Wall in specific. That and to hire a low-post coach that can light a fire in JaVale, teach him to love the weight room, teach him a few dirty tricks and help him hone his considerable talents to an unstoppable arsenal, even when heavily defended.

(Looking at that list above, hmmn, maybe I'm looking at prolific rebounder Thomas Robinson. --I wouldn't hate that pick, and he'd love to be closer to home and his little sister. Would be nice to recruit a player who is happy to be here, has ties to the area in a good way. Mature and a fighter all the way. My only question marks being his length on D.)

Agreed all on fronts. Shooting, rebounding, and high IQ. I would add defensive awareness as well--and that doesn't necessarily mean adding Mutombo, Payton, and the Glove here. I mean guys being in the right spot to take charges, help out on shooters, and forcing the opposing team to take mid-range jumpshots.

But I think these things should be obvious. I'm still trying to figure out what kind of team Grunfeld is trying to build here because this roster just seems to be a bunch of players thrown together with no thought or reason as to who plays what role. I remember last year how they wanted to use the OKC model to build the team, but OKC is built around perimeter shooting and tough interior defense. We have neither.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

5. Start Vesely at SF and play him good minutes the rest of the way. Vesely spaces the floor, cuts, passes, and has a fine approach to the game. He is a SF who can occasionally play PF or C, but for now should be a SF exclusively.

The reason Vesely does not get run at SF is because he has no jump shot. At all. Think of how debilitating a lineup of Wall-Young-Vesely-Booker-McGee would be if Young is off. It is not even fair on Wall to put him out there with that lineup.

Then again, putting Rashard Lewis out there at F is the essentially the same result. Dude misses 75.4% of his jumpers from beyond the arc. And that is supposed to be his greatest asset. Can someone tell me why he averages more minutes per game than Trevor Booker??

We need shooters on this team. Getting back to my point above, everything remaining equal, I would favor Barnes over MKG in the draft right now.

Great post, Mmat11!

You are right. Vesely has no J at all. When Nick's shot is off the Wizards have a debilitated lineup. Period. I would choose my poison and play Vesely at SF, regardless.

Jan Vesely rebounds pretty well at SF, moves without the ball well, sets Euro picks that sometimes injure opponents (not necessarily a bad thing iMO), and I think he's got a high basketball IQ. As for his lousy jumper, I think Vesely should be instructed to take a couple threes if necessary, each game. Fire away with calm confidence if he catches the ball in rhythm and is open, knowing he won't be benched for missing, just so long as he didn't shoot it scared. John Wall is currently a 10% 3pt shooter. It is not his game and he's smart enough to know it. So is Jan Vesely. Both have other strengths. Still, there are times it is important to take the three with conviction. Others on the team have to go after the long rebounds when they shoot. On that note, what I would do is just play Shelvin Mack at SG along with Wall and Vesely.

Mack doesn't shoot without a conscience, like Crawford. I don't think he's a streaky as Jordan or Nick. The advantages of playing Shelvin Mack are that he will rebound and he will pass the ball better than those two. Mack is also a competent three point shooter. I would play Mack at SG and Vesely at SF and tank with them until I get better talent. At least they will play smart, rebound, and pass. Those are guys to put around Wall, for the short run.

Singleton MIGHT be as good an answer at SF with Wall and Mack, but that guy hasn't done the one thing I thought he was supposed to be able to do: Defend. Chris appears to have a three point shot, but he's a bit of a chucker, like Crawford, and he doesn't play that smart IMO.

Washington REALLY needs to let one or both of Mason and Evans go to get guys who can shoot the darned ball. They cannot be good mentors if they don't shoot well off the bench.

[Rafael122]

Identify your core group of players, trade everyone else. I would hire...and this may not be something people agree with, but I would hire John Calipari. I don't think the Wizards are smart enough to hire someone outside the box, so they will go with someone with a proven track record and Calipari may be it. Sure, I'd hire a GM in the form of Pritchard but that's who I would go after as coach.

Second, my core group, after watching recent games: Wall/Singleton/Vesely/Booker/Mack w/Crawford on the outside looking in. Mack is a solid PG, we're not asking him to do anything else. The other guys, at least try and act professional. I'd trade everyone else. I would trade Nick Young to the Lakers for a first round pick, they can absorb his salary with the TPE.

I would amnesty Blatche and do whatever it is they have to do to get Lewis off the team and using that cap space.

Pray to God for a miracle and they win the lottery and pick Davis, you've got two of the most important positions in the NBA filled with Wall and Davis.

This team desperately needs shooters. I'd sign Nicholas Batum to a contract, and get that small forward problem fixed up. Then I would go after a shooting guard, a natural shooting guard who can hit the jumper and the three ball. Maybe a Carlos Delfino type. Rubio looks amazing because the guy can drive to the hole and kick it out for the wide open three, from either Love or Wesley Johnson or someone of that ilk. Wall will not get any respect until he's surrounded by shooters. Delfino isn't flashy, but he's shooting almost 40% from 3. And he will come cheap so he's not going to break the bank.

Power Forward - I still wouldn't give up the spot to Vesely or Booker...actually thinking about it maybe I would but it would all depend on whether the Wizards address their shooting woes. If they do, guys like Booker and Vesely will thrive. A guy to look at is Kris Humphries, dude is averaging 13 and 10 this year.

BTW, I would also get rid of McGee. Honestly, I would prefer to have a guy like Roy Hibbert where you know you're getting 15 and 10 every night and solid play rather than the unknown of McGee. Sometimes he looks all world, other times he plays like a rookie. He's got to go. I would make big money runs at Batum and Hibbert. All depends on the draft, however. We get Davis or MKG, or Robinson then a run at Batum won't be necessary.

[DallasShalDune]

Maybe if we didn't have a situation like this: http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/02/2 ... y-wittman/

Then we'd be good.

[nate33]

The way I see things, we only have a handful of the necessary pieces to place around Wall. By position, I'd break it down like this:

PG - Wall. Enough said

backup PG - Mack. Mack isn't great, but he's adequate to be our backup PG for now. I'd focus on other positions long before worrying about this one.

SG - Not on the roster. Based on talent and on-the-court fit, I think Young might be good enough to be the starting SG, but I don't really think this team isn't going to turn the corner unless new blood is brought in. Blatche and Young have to go. If Young is going to cost more than $5M a year, he should be replaced.

backup SG - Not on the roster. I think Jordan Crawford is fools gold. Shooting guards don't suddenly learn to shoot at the age of 23. Crawford is what he is. A streaky but inefficient player. He'll win you some games when he is on, but he'll lose you a lot more when he's off. Young would be a nice backup SG but he'll probably cost too much for that role.

SF - Not on the roster. There is some small hope that Singleton pans out to fill this role, but that hope is fading fast. The team needs a 3&D SF with deadly shooting accuracy

backup SF - Singleton. He's not there yet, but he has the body type, and basic shooting skills to evolve into a rotation-worthy 3&D player. I think he'll get there after an offseason of lower body strength training and shooting practice.

PF - Not on the roster. We need a PF with an automatic jumper from 18 feet, and hopefully 3-point range. He also must get defensive boards and have good court awareness on D.

backup PF - Booker or Vesely. Booker is good enough now. Vesely is 15 pounds of muscle away from being a good backup PF. Over long term, I think one of these two must ultimately be traded. There just isn't room on the roster for both of them (assuming we find a starting caliber PF at some point).

center - McGee. I think he's coming along nicely. He'll probably never be as good as his numbers, but his numbers are great so being a little less than great is okay by me. McGee can be a defensive presence and his developing post game gives us an interior scoring option. He's also a perfect lob threat for Wall. He still has to get better at setting picks and making defensive rotations, but at least he is showing small improvements every year.

backup center - Not on the roster. Maybe Seraphin has a chance, but I won't hold my breath. I'd like a grizzled veteran center with a jumpshot and the bulk to play post defense. A guy like Brad Miller was late in his career would be ideal.

Everyone else (Blatche, Crawford, Lewis, probably Seraphin) is just dead weight. They'll be gone in a year or two.

So basically, we're pretty far away from having a team built to play for Wall. We lack the necessary players at starting SG, starting SF, starting PF, backup SG and backup C. We have a redundancy at backup PF which could be used as a trade chip to acquire one of the needed pieces. The rest of the pieces will have to be found via free agency and the draft. Presumably, the draft will land us either the starting SF or starting PF. Hopefully we can acquire at least one other starter with a big name free agent. We might be able to address one of the backup openings with a cheap free agent or a later draft pick.

If all goes well, we could go into next year with four out of five of our future starters, and four out of five of our future backups. That should be good enough to make us a 35-win team with room to grow.

[Nivek]

I agree with nate's analysis completely.

[Dat2U]

PG1 - Wall
PG2 - None
SG1 - None
SG2 - None
SF1 - None
SF2 - None
PF1 - None
PF2 - Booker
CE1 - McGee (maybe)
CE2 - None

Singleton has been terrible. Confidence is shot and until he has some confidence and starts playing well I can't even consider him a quality backup yet.

Vesely has been a little less terrible but doesn't have a defined position and significant weaknesses that can be exploited at the 3, 4 or 5.

Crawford is a team killer and he takes some of the worst shots imaginable. The leading man in playing hero ball. Needs to be removed along with Nick Young.

Young is an older and slightly less reckless version of Crawford who loves to play hero ball as well. We need to go in a new direction at SG.

Blatche... nothing needs to be said

Seraphin... Has improved over last season but it isn't enough to make him a quality backup yet.

Mack... more of third string PG IMO but hasn't been terrible and has even outplayed both Vesely & Singleton but I'm not against upgrading the backup PG position with a scorer that can play alongside Wall.

[Rafael122]

There needs to be a way that this team can consolidate some talent and trade for someone. We're just circling the drain at this point.