ESPN: Teams inquiring about Bargnani, Calderon

[Pseudonym]

Lol @ this convo about D-Will. Smh...

[pass first]

Hold on...

Bargnani has been playing like a max contract player during his time on the floor this year. If he can continue to play even close to that level, his value in a trade after taking into account his extremely favourable contract, would be even higher than his play on the floor.

Again, because of his contract Andrea is worth even more than his perceived ability and play on the floor. Not to mention he still has upside. I would consider trading him for a re-signed Dwill, but it's debateable whether our team would really improve that much when taking into account how much Dwill will be paid. Now having them together on the other hand...

That's from page 9. Totally taken out of context.

[Reignman]

Deron is better than all of these guys when you factor in age and what he has already done in the league:

Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Russel Westbrook
Rajon Rondo
Steve Nash
Blake Griffin
Tony Parker
Amare Stoudemire

I would trade any of these guys for Deron and there's a couple of guys I really like on that list.

[Plushberry]

Fine replace Amare with Lamarcus and Rondo with Bargnani. DW still doesnt even crack the top 15.

Deron Williams is better than Bargnani, arguably LaMarcus, and Blake Griffin as well, considering how poor he is on defense.

Deron Williams at the very least is in the conversation as a top 10 player, but I still wouldn't trade him for Bargnani, because there's very little hope that he'd re-sign here.

Agreed. If Deron agreed to an extension BC would trade Bargs for him 10/10 times.

Why? So we can suck for the next 5 years? NJ is terrible with him right now and the fact that he made Jerry Sloan quit his job knocks him down 5 spots alone in my books. If you think DW holds more value then we would need to give up Bargnani + more assets which is a pretty crazy opinion to hold. Look at what Chris Paul fetched, Gordon is a worse player than Bargnani and he was the best part of that deal.

I wouldnt trade for him not because he wont re-sign, but because hes overrated and his production can be replaced for cheaper. Nash is a better player and we can have him this year for half the price and not give up anything.

and no, BC would not trade Bargnani for DW its a lateral move at best and a disaster at worse.

[Too Late Crew]

Come on, Deron is easily a top 10 player in this league and is worth more than Bargs under any scenario.

This board cracks me up sometimes.

What do we need Williams for? We already have a PG who would start for any team in the NBA in Jose.

[Pseudonym]

Gordon is a worse player than Bargnani

[Reignman]

Why? So we can suck for the next 5 years? NJ is terrible with him right now and the fact that he made Jerry Sloan quit his job knocks him down 5 spots alone in my books. If you think DW holds more value then we would need to give up Bargnani + more assets which is a pretty crazy opinion to hold. Look at what Chris Paul fetched, Gordon is a worse player than Bargnani and he was the best part of that deal.

I wouldnt trade for him not because he wont re-sign, but because hes overrated and his production can be replaced for cheaper. Nash is a better player and we can have him this year for half the price and not give up anything.

and no, BC would not trade Bargnani for DW its a lateral move at best and a disaster at worse.

Look, the Sloan thing knocked him down for me too. No question about that.

What we're talking about here is sheer talent and that's what wins in this league. If you can add a guy like Deron Williams you all of a sudden catch the attention of FAs. Also, if these players we accumulated can't start winning with a PG like D Will then they aren't that good.

Nash is great and one of my fav players in the league but he isn't a better option than D Will at this point in their careers, that's just silly.

Lastly, Bargs for D Will is "lateral at best"? Again, I don't think you know much about this sport. Sorry bud, too many off-base posts to take you seriously anymore.

[Plushberry]

Deron is better than all of these guys when you factor in age and what he has already done in the league:

Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Russel Westbrook
Rajon Rondo
Steve Nash
Blake Griffin
Tony Parker
Amare Stoudemire

I would trade any of these guys for Deron and there's a couple of guys I really like on that list.

Thats crazy, Love is going to get MVP votes this year, Parker is leading the Spurs to a great record and hes only 1 year older than Deron, Rondo has won a championship, blake griffin is young and getting 25/11, Steve Nash 2x MVP putting up the same numbers year in year out and no he hasnt slowed down, Carmelo avg 24ppg over 8 years in the league.

What has DW done besides drive a hall of fame coach to retire? Abosolutely nothing.

the only person you have a case for is Amare.

[Plushberry]

Why? So we can suck for the next 5 years? NJ is terrible with him right now and the fact that he made Jerry Sloan quit his job knocks him down 5 spots alone in my books. If you think DW holds more value then we would need to give up Bargnani + more assets which is a pretty crazy opinion to hold. Look at what Chris Paul fetched, Gordon is a worse player than Bargnani and he was the best part of that deal.

I wouldnt trade for him not because he wont re-sign, but because hes overrated and his production can be replaced for cheaper. Nash is a better player and we can have him this year for half the price and not give up anything.

and no, BC would not trade Bargnani for DW its a lateral move at best and a disaster at worse.

Look, the Sloan thing knocked him down for me too. No question about that.

What we're talking about here is sheer talent and that's what wins in this league. If you can add a guy like Deron Williams you all of a sudden catch the attention of FAs. Also, if these players we accumulated can't start winning with a PG like D Will then they aren't that good.

Nash is great and one of my fav players in the league but he isn't a better option than D Will at this point in their careers, that's just silly.

Lastly, Bargs for D Will is "lateral at best"? Again, I don't think you know much about this sport. Sorry bud, too many off-base posts to take you seriously anymore.

Having DW on the NJ Nets sure has helped them acquire talent, and Utah was a hot bed for free agents when he was there before too. You make no sense.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Fine replace Amare with Lamarcus and Rondo with Bargnani. DW still doesnt even crack the top 15.

Deron Williams is better than Bargnani, arguably LaMarcus, and Blake Griffin as well, considering how poor he is on defense.

Deron Williams at the very least is in the conversation as a top 10 player, but I still wouldn't trade him for Bargnani, because there's very little hope that he'd re-sign here.

Agreed. If Deron agreed to an extension BC would trade Bargs for him 10/10 times.

Yup if Deron Williams is signed to a ext and The Nets wanted Bargnani for him you do that trade 15/10 times. Hopefully you still get a damn good SF Kidd-Gillchrist or Barnes and go from there.

[Reignman]

NJ unloaded most of their talent for D Will so they had a piece to be attractive for certain free agents (cough *Dwight* cough) just in time for their move to Brooklyn.

Nobody in Jersey thought this version of the Nets was going to do anything. It was a strategic move looking towards the future.

[JamesNaismith]

Colangelo better be paying very close attention to the deals being offered for Calderon and start negotiating....


This hot streaks and outbursts happen on a seemingly annual basis. Its laughable when you read posters' opinions on him year in and year out. At one point of the year majority of posters will be looking to trade him for a bologna sandwich and then the next claiming that's there's no reason to trade him now (at unsurprisingly his highest value when he's having a streak of great games). Its always the same -- "amnesty him, trade him...no keep him to increase his stock".....


Just get clear his stock never gets better then THIS and "this" happens every year. It's time to strike when the iron is hot and not wait when Jose eventually cools down. He won't go frigid (and don't think he ever really does) but people always notice his stats because when we lose and he has great numbers everyone realizes how good he can be...when the numbers slow down (less than 20+pt games OR 12+ast games) suddenly he's trash despite having better stats then arguebly the good majority of PGs that guys want him traded for (ie/ hyped junk like Augustin).

[pkiskool]

Bargs + Jose ($19 mil) to Knicks
for
Carmelo + Lin ($19 mil) to Raps

Raps line up:
Lin/Bayless
Lamb/DD
Melo/DD
Ed/Amir
Val/Amir

Knicks line up:
Jose/Shump/Baron
Fields/Shump
JR/Novak
Amare/Bargs
Tyson/Bargs

Win-win for everyone.

[Alfred]

Unless Lin has a serious fall-off, I don't think New York considers that deal. Plus, Amare and Bargnani are both Power Forwards, so it doesn't work at all.

[pkiskool]

Unless Lin has a serious fall-off, I don't think New York considers that deal. Plus, Amare and Bargnani are both Power Forwards, so it doesn't work at all.

Lin could lead the Melo-Amare-less NY because he could take over.
I know he dishes well but he also takes 10+ shots a game.
Those three cannot co exist.
Adding JR Smith made the matter even worse.
They could use an unselfish efficient PG like Jose.
He can run plays just as good if not better than Lin, but he won't give you 20 ppg every night, in which they don't need.

Regarding Bargs, the idea is called a three-men rotation.
Amare is fixed to PF, Chandler is fixed to C, having a two-way big man in Bargs will form the ultimate triplet tower in NY.

I think BC/Walsh should consider this.

[pass first]

Bargs + Jose ($19 mil) to Knicks
for
Carmelo + Lin ($19 mil) to Raps

Lin > Bargs > Melo > Jose

So no from New York.

[pkiskool]

Lin > Bargs > Melo > Jose

Are you sure about ^ this...
I'm a Linner but I won't put him ahead of Bargs and Melo yet...
It should be Bargs (nicer contract) > Melo > Lin > Jose.

So it works.

[dTox]

New Jersey won't trade Derron for Andrea Freakin Bargnani lol

[pass first]

Lin > Bargs > Melo > Jose

Are you sure about ^ this...
I'm a Linner but I won't put him ahead of Bargs and Melo yet...
It should be Bargs (nicer contract) > Melo > Lin > Jose.

So it works.

I was half-kidding.

Right now the consensus is still that Melo tops them all.

But I was half-serious too.

I'm a sceptic, so I'm not going to give Lin the MVP award yet but the numbers he's putting up are actually MVP-esque.

If you think about it though, if he comes down to 17/7/4 (his actual numbers are much better) and can keep making his team better, because when he plays they win (like 8-2) - when Melo they don't - imagine that guy on a 5 million dollar deal and having huge star power marketing wise. that's pure gold.

When Melo plays NY is worse, ever since they traded for him. His reputation is he's much better than Bargs but have to wonder how long that can last. How is Melo going to make it work, will he take a backseat and become a 2nd option+closer 20 ppg for 20 million per year? Imo if Bargnani keeps putting up 23 ppg at good efficiency and has a better or same influence on win total for his team as Melo, the difference in contract definitely makes Bargs a more valuable player.

Melo is value is dec.lin.ing, Bargs stock is rising. Bargs has to prove his growth is for real and Melo has to prove he can turn things around on his new team.

Btw trading either Melo or Lin is PR suicide for NY. They might consider trading Melo if things don't work out but can't see it happening any time soon.


I thought this was the trade idea thread though..
This is just more food for the trolls..
(sorry about that.. I wouldn't have posted it here if I realised it was more fuel for the Deron derail trail)

[pkiskool]

Btw trading either Melo or Lin is PR suicide for NY. They might consider trading Melo if things don't work out but can't see it happening any time soon.

^We'll see about this in 2 weeks from now when the Knicks go on a 2-8 stretch with Melo, Amare and JR on board.