Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[ash_k]

He's more caught up in measurements than what is actually done on the court. Go back and read his arguments on almost every topic. If the dude doesn't measure up, he's a bust in ash_k's eyes.

Please god don't let ash be Jim Kelly being incognito....

Kidd is way to good to overlook because he doesn't have freak length.

But lets be real here for one second. He has excellent size for a small forward and has an amazing motor, what more do you need?

A good bench player.

[ash_k]

He's more caught up in measurements than what is actually done on the court. Go back and read his arguments on almost every topic. If the dude doesn't measure up, he's a bust in ash_k's eyes.

A lil bit more than that.

Your measurements combined with your game makes you a special player at your position at the next level.

is a clear starting SF at the next level? no...is a clear starting SG at the next level? no.

Both Barnes and Lamb are at their respective position.

[nahom1319]

^thanks GIF-tits I mean frederick

barnes sounds like the best fit, since BC is probably going to keep derozan around at sg. Think he'll even trade up for him if he has to

=why's nobody talking about marshall anyways. We kind of need a pg. (that's that kendal marshal guy right? he was rated pretty high out of highschool, higher than kyrie irving iirc)

HEY! Respect her! She has a name. Its called Hayley!


Marshall has superb court vision but very one dimensional tho, his poor defense and poor offensive skill are not sexy.

Fred your killin me here the one prospect who could have star potential and you wont give the last name....shame on you.

[Pseudonym]

According to DX, MKG is 6' 7.5", with a 6-10 wingspan. What's the problem here?

Well,

Those second class SFs have over 7' Wingspan and have bigger bodies.

MKG doesnt jump over people

(Via DX and...google)
Iggy: 6'6.75" in shoes, 6-11 wingspan
Batum: 6'7.75" in shoes, 7'0.75 wingspan
Durant: 6' 10.25" in shoes, 7' 4.75" wingspan
Lebron: 6'8 in shoes, 7' 0.25" wingspan
Butler: 6' 6.5" in shoes, 6' 11.5" wingspan
Granger: 6' 8.5", 7' 1.5" wingspan
Pierce: 6'6 w/o shoes, 7'1 wingspan
Gay: 6' 8" in shoes, 7'3 wingspan
Deng: 6' 8" in shoes, 7' 0.5" wingspan
Wallace: listed at 6'7, unlisted wingspan >.>
Melo: 6' 7.5", 7' 0" wingspan
Gallo: Listed at 6'9" no listed wingspan

So...because of 2 inches from his wingspan, and not having a power game MKG will be a totally ineffective and a future bench player? Are you kidding me? Dude is effective because of his motor, the Crash comparison are apt. All he needs is a decent jumpshot. He projects to be an elite defender and rebounding at the next level. The guy is only 18 too, he could have grown an inch or two too. MKG is getting a lot of his points from hustle THAT, if anything, is what you should be worried about, but a lot those points are in the paint over, bigger players, with longer wingspans than the 3s listed above.

If anything, this works against Barnes. His release is pretty slow and he's been an average defender, rebounder and poor passer. His efficiency also plummets when he has to do anything off of the dribble.

[baulderdash77]

Fred your killin me here the one prospect who could have star potential and you wont give the last name....shame on you.

Why don't you look at Fred's location again.

[Rapsfan07]

It's difficult to say...

I mean MKG's been playing good ball at Kentucky but as a future prospect... I think he's got a Iggy/Wallace ceiling. While I hope he's not a bench player, that is definitely in his floor IMO. I'm thinking Upside: Wallace/Iggy - Downside: JJ/ Tony Allen

While Barnes, even if he's not a starter can be a good catch and shoot guy that plays good defense

I'd say Upside: Granger/Gay - Downside: A smoother Wilson Chandler?

That's why I have Barnes and even Miller ahead of MKG on my personal Raps draft board. So far, my overall draft board is:

Davis
Barnes/Drummond
Drummond/Barnes
Robinson/Sullinger
Gilchrist
Robinson/Sullinger
PJ3
Beal/Lamb
Beal/Lamb

I have Zeller, Henson, T. Jones, Leonard and Miller (if he declares) going anywhere in any order of the late picks in the draft with Terrence Ross and Rivers possibly sneaking in the back.

Interesting late first round picks: Moultrie, Rivers (if he doesn't move up), Kabongo, Marshall, Nash (if he declares), Doron Lamb, Waiters, & Wroten. I'd like BC to deal Calderon and/or Barbosa for a late first round picks. We'd get a cheap look at some pretty good talent. I think I'd be worth it and if everyone declares, we're pretty much guaranteed at least one of these guys.

[ash_k]

According to DX, MKG is 6' 7.5", with a 6-10 wingspan. What's the problem here?

Well,

Those second class SFs have over 7' Wingspan and have bigger bodies.

MKG doesnt jump over people

(Via DX and...google)
Iggy: 6'6.75" in shoes, 6-11 wingspan
Batum: 6'7.75" in shoes, 7'0.75 wingspan
Durant: 6' 10.25" in shoes, 7' 4.75" wingspan
Lebron: 6'8 in shoes, 7' 0.25" wingspan
Butler: 6' 6.5" in shoes, 6' 11.5" wingspan
Granger: 6' 8.5", 7' 1.5" wingspan
Pierce: 6'6 w/o shoes, 7'1 wingspan
Gay: 6' 8" in shoes, 7'3 wingspan
Deng: 6' 8" in shoes, 7' 0.5" wingspan
Wallace: listed at 6'7, unlisted wingspan >.>
Melo: 6' 7.5", 7' 0" wingspan
Gallo: Listed at 6'9" no listed wingspan

So...because of 2 inches from his wingspan, and not having a power game MKG will be a totally ineffective and a future bench player? Are you kidding me? Dude is effective because of his motor, the Crash comparison are apt. All he needs is a decent jumpshot. He projects to be an elite defender and rebounding at the next level. The guy is only 18 too, he could have grown an inch or two too. MKG is getting a lot of his points from hustle THAT, if anything, is what you should be worried about, but a lot those points are in the paint over, bigger players, with longer wingspans than the 3s listed above.

If anything, this works against Barnes. His release is pretty slow and he's been an average defender, rebounder and poor passer. His efficiency also plummets when he has to do anything off of the dribble.

Looking at his hustle plays, so those hustle plays will turn him into an All-Star?

His hustle plays are done below the rim, is he Dennis Rodman?

Matrix would fly over people in his All-Star days in his hustle days with his massive length.

Can he be better than the ones listed there and matchup with them on a nightly basis as a starter? Quick answer..No

[Pseudonym]

Looking at his hustle plays, so those hustle plays will turn him into an All-Star?

His hustle plays are done below the rim, is he Dennis Rodman?

Matrix would fly over people in his All-Star days in his hustle days with his massive length.

Can he be better than the ones listed there and matchup with them on a nightly basis as a starter? Quick answer..No

1. I'm not saying that he'll be an All-Star.
2. So you want him to have thunderous putback jams/monster vertical? Why does it matter? It's not like he has Kanter's vertical or something. He's got good touch around the rim and seems pretty fluid.
3. Why can't he match up against them? He'll likely be a very good defender, putting them into inefficient nights, whilst outrebounding them and chipping in low-usage, high-efficiency offense most likely.

Kawhi Leonard's 7'3 wingspan is the difference between him and MKG? The choice between Barnes and MKG isn't that obvious at all.

[Throwback24]

and there are plenty of great small forwards with wingspans under 6'10, so what?

no... which lands credence to ash's argument. he obviously basing his evaluation of a player solely on his pre-draft measurements but youd be silly to ignore the affect it can have on a players transition to the nba.

[Greg Stink]

I like MKG but he couldn't be the best addition of our offseason.

[ash_k]

1. I'm not saying that he'll be an All-Star.
2. So you want him to have thunderous putback jams/monster vertical? Why does it matter? It's not like he has Kanter's vertical or something. He's got good touch around the rim and seems pretty fluid.
3. Why can't he match up against them? He'll likely be a very good defender, putting them into inefficient nights, whilst outrebounding them and chipping in low-usage, high-efficiency offense most likely.

Kawhi Leonard's 7'3 wingspan is the difference between him and MKG? The choice between Barnes and MKG isn't that obvious at all.

The choice between the two is very obvious if you are looking for your prototypical starting SF at the NBA ( with a pure shot) Barnes is your choice.

If you are looking for an energy player with not a clear-cut position, just a basketball player, an energy player..then MKG is your man

Now which one are you looking for?
You must be one of the few not talking about MKG being an All-Star (thank you for recognizing )

His type of hustles plays done below the rim works in the NCAA , but doesnt work as a starting SF at the next level with his measurements ..

[ansoncarter]

Shane Battier - 6'10.5 winspan

chuck hayes - 6'10 wingspan

[dTox]

^thanks GIF-tits I mean frederick

barnes sounds like the best fit, since BC is probably going to keep derozan around at sg. Think he'll even trade up for him if he has to

=why's nobody talking about marshall anyways. We kind of need a pg. (that's that kendal marshal guy right? he was rated pretty high out of highschool, higher than kyrie irving iirc)

HEY! Respect her! She has a name. Its called Hayley!



Marshall has superb court vision but very one dimensional tho, his poor defense and poor offensive skill are not sexy.

If this chick is from Hamilton, I think I may know who it is or I'm confusing her boobs for someone else's. She's dating this dude I know named Daniel

[Pseudonym]

1. I'm not saying that he'll be an All-Star.
2. So you want him to have thunderous putback jams/monster vertical? Why does it matter? It's not like he has Kanter's vertical or something. He's got good touch around the rim and seems pretty fluid.
3. Why can't he match up against them? He'll likely be a very good defender, putting them into inefficient nights, whilst outrebounding them and chipping in low-usage, high-efficiency offense most likely.

Kawhi Leonard's 7'3 wingspan is the difference between him and MKG? The choice between Barnes and MKG isn't that obvious at all.

The choice between the two is very obvious if you are looking for your prototypical starting SF at the NBA ( with a pure shot) Barnes is your choice.

If you are looking for an energy player with not a clear-cut position, just a basketball player, an energy player..then MKG is your man

Now which one are you looking for?
You must be one of the few not talking about MKG being an All-Star (thank you for recognizing )

His type of hustles plays done below the rim works in the NCAA , but doesnt work as a starting SF at the next level with his measurements ..

Oh, I understand your concerns and all but based them on his measurements odd...and not relevant yet, until all players get re-measured at the combine.

I'm not really convinced about Barnes being an All-Star either. The only player that stands above the rest is Davis, and he's extremely raw. I'm not completely satisified with this draft class, I want my money back.

[Undefeated]

MKG being a good rebounder because he's only a hustle or energy player is way off base. Part of his rebounding ability is wanting the ball more than his opponent which ties to energy level, but also his instincts, knowing where the ball will bounce off the rim, beating his defender to the spot and getting good position underneath the rim. He just knows where the ball will land always tracking loose balls in the air that are way out of his area to begin with. Plus, he's averaging 1.1 bpg which is very good for a wing displaying great timing and anticipation. I wouldn't be too worried about his size. He'll make that up with quickness and ball smarts.

And how the hell is MKG's shoulders narrow?

[ash_k]

MKG being a good rebounder because he's only a hustle or energy player is way off base. Part of his rebounding ability is wanting the ball more than his opponent which ties to energy level, but also his instincts, knowing where the ball will bounce off the rim, beating his defender to the spot and getting good position underneath the rim. He just knows where the ball will land always tracking loose balls in the air that are way out of his area to begin with. Plus, he's averaging 1.1 bpg which is very good for a wing displaying great timing and anticipation. I wouldn't be too worried about his size. He'll make that up with quickness and ball smarts.

And how the hell is MKG's shoulders narrow?

He is all alone on that picture, now you are gonna to tell me that he doesnt look small next to NCAA players during all those games you have been watching

[Undefeated]

He is all alone on that picture, now you are gonna to tell me that he doesnt look small next to NCAA players during all those games you have been watching

You said his shoulders are small which has absolutely no bearing to other players on the court. You must be high if you think those shoulders are narrow.

[ash_k]

He is all alone on that picture, now you are gonna to tell me that he doesnt look small next to NCAA players during all those games you have been watching

You said his shoulders are small which has absolutely no bearing to other players on the court. You must be high if you think those shoulders are narrow.

I ll keep the language at a respectful level.

So yes look at him in those games, he looks small and his shoulders are narrow next to NCAA players ...Now just imagine next to NBA players..

Just look at all the videos..

[ansoncarter]

greg monroe 30/15 tonight, he's way below typical center specs

joakim noah with 13/10/13 against the bucks. He's even more atypical than monroe

size is such a small part of it, always hate these arguments, remind me of football forums people talking about hand size HAND SIZE ugh hand size lol

[ash_k]

greg monroe 30/15 tonight, he's way below typical center specs

joakim noah with 13/10/13 against the bucks. He's even more atypical than monroe

size is such a small part of it, always hate these arguments, remind me of football forums people talking about hand size HAND SIZE ugh hand size lol

You are talking about centers

You are not talking about Small Forwards