The official- "LA rejects X player for 1st"

[Jetset]

You all do realize that without a Pau trade we have no way of getting Beasley right? TPE isn't enough.

[tugs]

You all do realize that without a Pau trade we have no way of getting Beasley right? TPE isn't enough.

nice. thanks for the info. getting misled that we can get Beasley for the TPE only or plus picks. can you explain further mr. Jetset? not trolling.

[Jetset]

You all do realize that without a Pau trade we have no way of getting Beasley right? TPE isn't enough.

nice. thanks for the info. getting mislead that we can get Beasley for the TPE only or plus picks. can you explain further mr. Jetset? not trolling.

Sure sounds like it. Why is Minnesota going to just going to dump their starter for part of a trade exception and not even have anyone else? That doesn't even make any sense. If they wanted Derrick Williams to replace Beasley they'd give him more minutes and work him into the starting lineup.

Then maybe something like this would be plausible. Even then it wouldn't entirely be because they could just flip him for something more useful like draft selections.

[tugs]

Sure sounds like it. Why is Minnesota going to just going to hand their starter for part of a trade exception and not even have anyone coming back? That doesn't even make any sense.

Derrick Williams is more likely, they don't even use him.

basically you're putting yourself in Minny's shoes and saying they aren't just receiving money to get rid of Beas? why did LA do it again in the case of LO? is this the same scenario?

[tugs]

I'll get back to you.

[RamonSessions7]

You all do realize that without a Pau trade we have no way of getting Beasley right? TPE isn't enough.

nice. thanks for the info. getting mislead that we can get Beasley for the TPE only or plus picks. can you explain further mr. Jetset? not trolling.

Sure sounds like it. Why is Minnesota going to just going to dump their starter for part of a trade exception and not even have anyone else? That doesn't even make any sense. If they wanted Derrick Williams to replace Beasley they'd give him more minutes and work him into the starting lineup.

Then maybe something like this would be plausible. Even then it wouldn't entirely be because they could just flip him for something more useful like draft selections.

Beasley has only 7 starts this year and Derrick Williams did get 22 min and the minutes down the stretch tonight while Beasley played 9.

[Doormatt]

wait what? according to sham sports beasley makes 6.2 million this year, and our TPE is worth 8.9 million...

[Jetset]

Sure sounds like it. Why is Minnesota going to just going to hand their starter for part of a trade exception and not even have anyone coming back? That doesn't even make any sense.

Derrick Williams is more likely, they don't even use him.

basically you're putting yourself in Minny's shoes and saying they aren't just receiving money to get rid of Beas? why did LA do it again in the case of LO? is this the same scenario?

Minnesota isn't in danger of becoming a luxury tax team so what's the use of a TPE? No it isn't the same scenario. Odom was traded to Dallas because he specifically requested a trade to Dallas, has Beasley requested a trade to the Lakers? Some say it was a money saving deal, I believe it was to try their hand at CP3 again because they did include that Dallas pick in the 2nd Paul deal that still got rejected. And even if it was a money deal, like I said Minnesota isn't a luxury tax team.

[Jetset]

Beasley has only 7 starts this year and Derrick Williams did get 22 min and the minutes down the stretch tonight while Beasley played 9.

Who gets more PT on average between Beasley and Williams?

[Jetset]

wait what? according to sham sports beasley makes 6.2 million this year, and our TPE is worth 8.9 million...

I guess so.

[RamonSessions7]

Beasley has only 7 starts this year and Derrick Williams did get 22 min and the minutes down the stretch tonight while Beasley played 9.

Who gets more PT on average between Beasley and Williams?

Beasley's been getting 5 more per in this last month. But he comes on for Wes Johnson while D-Will backs up Love who's obviously gonna play alot more than Wes.

[Jetset]

Beasley has only 7 starts this year and Derrick Williams did get 22 min and the minutes down the stretch tonight while Beasley played 9.

Who gets more PT on average between Beasley and Williams?

Beasley's been getting 5 more per in this last month. But he comes on for Wes Johnson while D-Will backs up Love who's obviously gonna play alot more than Wes.

So I guess this goes back to the question I posed earlier, why exactly would the Timberwolves do this? According to Wolves fans they're weak on the wing as is, why would you trade one of your wing players for a salary dump? I don't know if Williams can play on the wing, and if he could then he'd be challenging for Beasley's minutes. They're not going to be able to get a better player for $6.2 mil and they aren't a luxury tax team so dumping him for just a TPE doesn't make much sense.

[RamonSessions7]

So I guess this goes back to the question I posed earlier, why exactly would the Timberwolves do this? According to Wolves fans they're weak on the wing as is, why would you trade one of your wing players for a salary dump? I don't know if Williams can play on the wing, and if he could then he'd be challenging for Beasley's minutes. They're not going to be able to get a better player for $6.2 mil and they aren't a luxury tax team so dumping him for just a TPE doesn't make much sense.

Yeah I'm not sure if the Twolves want our deal, but they've been playing Webster more and more since he got back. Maybe they feel he's a better fit and like how he fits in the occasional small lineup they play with the frontcourt of Webster-Williams-Love.

[Jetset]

So I guess this goes back to the question I posed earlier, why exactly would the Timberwolves do this? According to Wolves fans they're weak on the wing as is, why would you trade one of your wing players for a salary dump? I don't know if Williams can play on the wing, and if he could then he'd be challenging for Beasley's minutes. They're not going to be able to get a better player for $6.2 mil and they aren't a luxury tax team so dumping him for just a TPE doesn't make much sense.

Yeah I'm not sure if the Twolves want our deal, but they've been playing Webster more and more since he got back. Maybe they feel he's a better fit and like how he fits in the occasional small lineup they play with the frontcourt of Webster-Williams-Love.

That still doesn't take away from the fact that they need all the help on the wing that they can get. A $6.2 mil TPE does nothing for that, and whatever they turned that TPE into it wouldn't be as good as Beasley. So in turn they'd be worse if they did the deal.

[RamonSessions7]

Yeah im not sure what's out there for them at SG help, but maybe they see being able to package pick from us for one. I don't think this deal will happen since deals that start as publicized rumors rarely do, but I could see the wolves valuing a tpe going forward into the offseason or a pick as trade bait if they don't think beasley will be in their plans after this year

[RamonSessions7]

And of course this could be them feeding the never reliable broussard with bs to draw attention and value to beasley

[tugs]

Yeah im not sure what's out there for them at SG help, but maybe they see being able to package pick from us for one. I don't think this deal will happen since deals that start as publicized rumors rarely do, but I could see the wolves valuing a tpe going forward into the offseason or a pick as trade bait if they don't think beasley will be in their plans after this year

that's how I see it more than anything else. a TPE wouldn't be much of a help for the Wolves but with the right packaging (TPE+players+picks), who knows they may land a stud SG via trade (S&T Wilson Chandler? Derozan? just thought about them, no specific reason why them).

[Saltine]

That still doesn't take away from the fact that they need all the help on the wing that they can get. A $6.2 mil TPE does nothing for that, and whatever they turned that TPE into it wouldn't be as good as Beasley. So in turn they'd be worse if they did the deal.

Bingo.
We need a SG, if we're moving Beasley, or anyone for that matter, and it doesn't bring back a decent SG it makes no sense for Kahn. Martin or Lee from Houston, Matthews from Portland, JJ Redick, even Morrow from NJ might work, anyone who can out play Luke Ridnour at SG is an upgrade. 93 of the 96 minutes available at the guard positions were played by our 3 point guards tonight against Utah.

I can't see anyway Beas ends up in LA without a another team brought in to facilitate the deal, just look at our roster, we have one viable 12th man SG, Wayne Ellington, that's it for SG's, lol

[RamonSessions7]

That still doesn't take away from the fact that they need all the help on the wing that they can get. A $6.2 mil TPE does nothing for that, and whatever they turned that TPE into it wouldn't be as good as Beasley. So in turn they'd be worse if they did the deal.

Bingo.
We need a SG, if we're moving Beasley, or anyone for that matter, and it doesn't bring back a decent SG it makes no sense for Kahn. Martin or Lee from Houston, Matthews from Portland, JJ Redick, even Morrow from NJ might work, anyone who can out play Luke Ridnour at SG is an upgrade. 93 of the 96 minutes available at the guard positions were played by our 3 point guards tonight against Utah.

I can't see anyway Beas ends up in LA without a another team brought in to facilitate the deal, just look at our roster, we have one viable 12th man SG, Wayne Ellington, that's it for SG's, lol

I know you guys need a SG. Wolves are the team I root for after the Lakers right now, and have seen the most after the 2 LA teams.

I was never excluding a 3 team deal and my point was I could see a 1st and TPE being enough to possibly get one of those guys mentioned in certain situations. I admit though that I don't know/haven't thought too much about said 3rd team's situation but I could see a team wanting to rebuild preferring to take a 1st and salary space over paying Beasley for the remainder of the year if they don't plan on paying him the 8+ next year for a qualifying offer. IE Orlando for Redick if Brooks goes there in a NJ deal and they aren't unable to unload Richardson (pure speculation), or Matthews if Portland is looking to clear up his contract (no idea how they still feel about him but I know people have been hot & cold). Again I'm not saying the 1st and Morris/Ebanks and cap space would be preferable to a team willing to unload rather than Beasley, just that I could imagine situations where it would be.

[dockingsched]

That still doesn't take away from the fact that they need all the help on the wing that they can get. A $6.2 mil TPE does nothing for that, and whatever they turned that TPE into it wouldn't be as good as Beasley. So in turn they'd be worse if they did the deal.

Bingo.
We need a SG, if we're moving Beasley, or anyone for that matter, and it doesn't bring back a decent SG it makes no sense for Kahn. Martin or Lee from Houston, Matthews from Portland, JJ Redick, even Morrow from NJ might work, anyone who can out play Luke Ridnour at SG is an upgrade. 93 of the 96 minutes available at the guard positions were played by our 3 point guards tonight against Utah.

I can't see anyway Beas ends up in LA without a another team brought in to facilitate the deal, just look at our roster, we have one viable 12th man SG, Wayne Ellington, that's it for SG's, lol

i think your way of looking at roster building is such a short term vision. who cares if a solution at SG isn't acquired at this trade deadline. i hear time and time again how pau gasol is too old for the wolves, but the impatience presented here is contradictory.

i see two points playing out here, the first is that beasley simply is not being seen as the long term solution for the wolves, and if he's not the long term solution, then its perfectly reasonable for them to trade him now for assets before they have to offer him an 8mil QO, match some huge deal, or just let him walk for nothing. i mean, sure beasley was nice when they got him for nothing and were playing for nothing, but when they have a multi yr big extension possibly staring them in the face on a roster that is blossiming, suddenly beasley's act isn't all that great and letting him walk at the end of the yr looks like the best option.

the second point is that their most valuable asset that they'd be willing to move is losing value as the season goes on, derrick williams. kevin love is locked in at PF and nikola pekovic is locking down the center spot, the only other spot that williams can get major minutes is SF. with beasley out of the way, it'll be much easier to see what they have in williams, either as a long term solution or as a way to showcase him and send him packing. if williams works at SF, now they have salary flexiblity and a pick or two to go find a sg to go with a talented core of rubio/williams/love/pekovic. if williams doesn't work, then trade him to a team that needs a pf that has a wing to offer, probably for 90 cents on the dollar, but at least you tried.

anywhoo, point is that while it would be nice for the wolves to solve their sg/sf woes with a beasley trade, i don't think its anywhere near a requirement.