Wolves/Blazers/Cavaliers = Deal?

[[RCG]]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6036291

Wolves in: Batum, Matthews, Jamison, NOH 2nd, CLE 2nd
Wolves out: Williams, Johnson, Ridnour, Milicic, Webster, Miller

Wolves solve their wing situation. Jamison is a productive massive expiring. Perhaps go after Turiaf for a back-up big? The early seconds in a deeper draft to help fill out the roster plus the contracts are unguaranteed.

Rubio/Barea
Matthews/Eillngton/Lee
Batum/Beasley
Love/Jamison/Tolliver
Pekovic/Randolph

Blazers in: Varejao, Milicic, Johnson, Webster, Sessions, Ridnour, Sacramento 1st
Blazers out: Batum, Matthews, Camby, Felton

Blazers fix their big men and PG rotation as well as their SF situation.

Sessions/Ridnour
Webster/Crawford
Wallace/Johnson
LMA/Varejao/Thomas
Varejao/Milicic

Cavaliers in: Williams, Miller, Camby, Felton
Cavaliers out: Jamison, Varejao, Sessions, Sacramento 1st, NOH 2nd, CLE 2nd

Cavaliers gain another potential stud in Williams and will have a bunch of cap-space/roster flexibility and a top pick going into next year.

Irving/Felton
Parker/Gibson
Casspi/Williams
Williams/Thompson
Camby/Miller/Erden

Edit: Switched from Utah/Memphis 1sts leaving Minnesota to all draft picks leaving from Cleveland. I know they get a really good deal but they also help facilitate better value to Portland so we can get Batum/Matthews.

[The J Rocka]

Cavs get Williams for that?!? Not a chance.

[Esohny]

Cavs get Williams for that?!? Not a chance.

Yeah, Blazers are getting ****.

[pumunga]

Rubio/Barea..................Lee
Ridnour/Webster............Ellington
Johnson/Beasley.............Tolliver
Love/Williams................Randolph
Pekovic/Milicic...............Miller

works just fine for me

[Saltine]

I don't think the Blazers do it, maybe toss in Cleveland's 1st round pick to the Blazers... I do like the spirit of the deal, much better then those silly Pau trades

[rugbyrugger23]

Another Blaz trade getting Wolves Batum-Matthews. This could be a 4 team trade or 2 separate trades if Blaz or Cats covet TPE dollars coming from Lakers...

Wolves IN: Matthews, Batum, Bismack, Walton, TPE for Beasley
Wolves OUT: Beasley, DWill, Rid, Darko, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Balance lineup...secure ideal SF and nice SG for starting rotation. Bismack is a nice wild card and perfect athletic 1-2 punch with Love-Pek at PF/C.
PG-RR/JJ...SG-Matthews/Ellington...SF-Batum/Webster...PF-Love/AR...C-Pek/Bismack

Lakers IN: Beasley, Darko
Lakers OUT: TPE for Beasley, Walton, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Get scoring SF as desired and nice C depth as needed without rocking the applecart (meaning no Pau trade while still leaving that option on the table for a PG upgrade).

Blaz IN: DJ, Wes (or choose Webster, AR, Ellington, Tolliver), 1st Rd Pick(s)
Blaz OUT: Matthews, Batum
Why: Upgrade their PG position longterm while still retaining expiring contracts of Camby/Felton for another trade or offseason capspace.

Cats IN: DWill, Rid (or choose JJ)
Cats OUT: Bismack, DJ
Why: With the success of BJ and with Diop on the roster, they trade youth at position of depth for youth at position of need. DWill should get playing time at PF (and SF) with a thin Cats roster at that position. Plus get a nice vet PG to mentor Kemba.

[sisibilio]

Another Blaz trade getting Wolves Batum-Matthews. This could be a 4 team trade or 2 separate trades if Blaz or Cats covet TPE dollars coming from Lakers...

Wolves IN: Matthews, Batum, Bismack, Walton, TPE for Beasley
Wolves OUT: Beasley, DWill, Rid, Darko, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Balance lineup...secure ideal SF and nice SG for starting rotation. Bismack is a nice wild card and perfect athletic 1-2 punch with Love-Pek at PF/C.
PG-RR/JJ...SG-Matthews/Ellington...SF-Batum/Webster...PF-Love/AR...C-Pek/Bismack

Lakers IN: Beasley, Darko
Lakers OUT: TPE for Beasley, Walton, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Get scoring SF as desired and nice C depth as needed without rocking the applecart (meaning no Pau trade while still leaving that option on the table for a PG upgrade).

Blaz IN: DJ, Wes (or choose Webster, AR, Ellington, Tolliver), 1st Rd Pick(s)
Blaz OUT: Matthews, Batum
Why: Upgrade their PG position longterm while still retaining expiring contracts of Camby/Felton for another trade or offseason capspace.

Cats IN: DWill, Rid (or choose JJ)
Cats OUT: Bismack, DJ
Why: With the success of BJ and with Diop on the roster, they trade youth at position of depth for youth at position of need. DWill should get playing time at PF (and SF) with a thin Cats roster at that position. Plus get a nice vet PG to mentor Kemba.

That is even worse than the previous one for the Blazers, and the first one was worth of death penalty.
The only way you get Batum would be with Derrick heading towards Portland and i'm not even sure the Blazers woould do that.

[weasel]

I don't see us doing any wholesale deals like that. Why blow up the entire team again? We only need to get an average SG, so we could just trade one of our average players to get that. I could see maybe a two-for-one deal. I don't think the team can ever grow if we keep changing out 6+ players every season.

[rugbyrugger23]

Another Blaz trade getting Wolves Batum-Matthews. This could be a 4 team trade or 2 separate trades if Blaz or Cats covet TPE dollars coming from Lakers...

Wolves IN: Matthews, Batum, Bismack, Walton, TPE for Beasley
Wolves OUT: Beasley, DWill, Rid, Darko, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Balance lineup...secure ideal SF and nice SG for starting rotation. Bismack is a nice wild card and perfect athletic 1-2 punch with Love-Pek at PF/C.
PG-RR/JJ...SG-Matthews/Ellington...SF-Batum/Webster...PF-Love/AR...C-Pek/Bismack

Lakers IN: Beasley, Darko
Lakers OUT: TPE for Beasley, Walton, 1st Rd Pick(s)
Why: Get scoring SF as desired and nice C depth as needed without rocking the applecart (meaning no Pau trade while still leaving that option on the table for a PG upgrade).

Blaz IN: DJ, Wes (or choose Webster, AR, Ellington, Tolliver), 1st Rd Pick(s)
Blaz OUT: Matthews, Batum
Why: Upgrade their PG position longterm while still retaining expiring contracts of Camby/Felton for another trade or offseason capspace.

Cats IN: DWill, Rid (or choose JJ)
Cats OUT: Bismack, DJ
Why: With the success of BJ and with Diop on the roster, they trade youth at position of depth for youth at position of need. DWill should get playing time at PF (and SF) with a thin Cats roster at that position. Plus get a nice vet PG to mentor Kemba.

That is even worse than the previous one for the Blazers, and the first one was worth of death penalty.
The only way you get Batum would be with Derrick heading towards Portland and i'm not even sure the Blazers woould do that.

I will strongly disagree with you on this point. Blaz don't need DWill with LMA and what they need is depth at PG. So any trade with Wolves (DWill) and Blaz (Batum) needs to involve a third team who has a quality PG to offer Blaz in return for DWill.

[sisibilio]

I will strongly disagree with you on this point. Blaz don't need DWill with LMA and what they need is depth at PG. So any trade with Wolves (DWill) and Blaz (Batum) needs to involve a third team who has a quality PG to offer Blaz in return for DWill.

Of course, if you send Rubio to Portland then you can keep DWill but since i try to propose realistic trades i didn-t even mention him.
DJ is not even an upgrade over Felton despite his poor performance so far this season.
Do you really think that Augustine + crap is enough value back for Batum and Mathews? At least give us Pekovic or something.

[Dewey]

Why would we feel the need to send DW ot Portland in any deal to acquire Batum? ... they do not have that much value placed on him or they would have extended him already.

[rugbyrugger23]

I will strongly disagree with you on this point. Blaz don't need DWill with LMA and what they need is depth at PG. So any trade with Wolves (DWill) and Blaz (Batum) needs to involve a third team who has a quality PG to offer Blaz in return for DWill.

Of course, if you send Rubio to Portland then you can keep DWill but since i try to propose realistic trades i didn-t even mention him.
DJ is not even an upgrade over Felton despite his poor performance so far this season.
Do you really think that Augustine + crap is enough value back for Batum and Mathews? At least give us Pekovic or something.

I think you need to look at DJ's production before making that incorrect statement. And his numbers are on a poor team and splitting PT with Kemba (plus 3 years younger and cheaper contract-for now).

Plus Blaz are in a bind when it comes to draft picks-due to owing 2013 pick...they could use, and value, 1st rd picks more then the next team.

Plus as others have stated...Blaz actions speak very loud with their view of Batum. Not only did they not get an extension done, but no real offer was made.

So again, DJ, Wes (still valuable due to upside and potential) and 1st rd picks is a nice return for Batum and Matthews.

[urinesane]

Lol, when do these types of deals EVER actually happen?

[Richard Miller]

Lol, when do these types of deals EVER actually happen?

I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head in threads like these. People make an elaborate scenarios based solely on wishful thinking. Not sure what's the point, I guess it must be a kind of fun for some

[[RCG]]

Lol, when do these types of deals EVER actually happen?

I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head in threads like these. People make an elaborate scenarios based solely on wishful thinking. Not sure what's the point, I guess it must be a kind of fun for some

Mhm. Or we could talk about other useless things in a online forum where nothing affects anything that happens in the NBA.

[Flash4thewin]

Why would we feel the need to send DW ot Portland in any deal to acquire Batum? ... they do not have that much value placed on him or they would have extended him already.

Im guessing they are betting its cheaper to let the market set his value.

[a_sensei]

Why would we feel the need to send DW ot Portland in any deal to acquire Batum? ... they do not have that much value placed on him or they would have extended him already.

Im guessing they are betting its cheaper to let the market set his value.

Batum's cap hold is very low, around $5 mil. Reports are that the Blazer were offering $7mil per and Batum's camp wanted $9mil. By not signing him to a $9mil contract right now the Blazers will have an extra $4million in cap room this summer with the ability to let the market set Batum's salary. Seeing as how Batum has really stepped his game up I imagine the market will go up to $10mil per or more this summer. It was a calculated risk by the Blazers, but even if they have to pay a little extra this summer they have given themselves the extra salary cap space.

I do not think the Blazers have any interest in trading Batum and, with the exception of the obvious 2, there's nothing on the Wolves that makes sense. In terms of a three team deal that would send Batum to Minnesota and Williams to another team, there would have to a very good piece coming back. I don't think the upgrade from Felton to Augustin would be close to enough.