Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans

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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#21 » by ATL Boy » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:41 am

TNBT wrote:I read this thread earlier today and I couldn't really tell if this guy was being serious or not. Assuming he is serious, he's a joke. As has been said by many others here, they test for performance-enhancing drugs a lot more in basebal, hence the higher detection levels. If they tested the same amount in the NBA or NFL for example, I think you'd find more positive results than we see in baseball.

As for the rest of his argument, he is a hypocrite. He goes on and on about how it's so pathetic for us to defend baseball by talking negatively about other sports, and yet he does exactly that by referring to baseball so negatively to promote his claims that other sports are so perfect.

I'm not wasting any more of my time with this clown. I could spend it doing something more beneficial to my life... such as watching paint dry.

Your not alone sir, he's like that on the Atlanta Hawks board too, I've really stopped taking him seriously a long time ago.
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#22 » by Apathy » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:54 pm

tbh almost all the sports are terrible -- def all the major ones. it's all politics mang. that's why i never get too attached to it
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#23 » by Superiorblogman » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:36 pm

So, Braun is the first to have a successful appeal. LMAO, seems highly unlikely to me that this is not just them pushing it under the rug for the betterment of the most corrupt sport in American history :evil:
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#24 » by craig01 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:15 am

Superiorblogman wrote:So, Braun is the first to have a successful appeal. LMAO, seems highly unlikely to me that this is not just them pushing it under the rug for the betterment of the most corrupt sport in American history :evil:


Sosa, Ramirez and Palmeiro all had better pedigrees than Braun up to this point.

No sport is clean, but baseball is as clean as it's been in decades.....and at least tries to police itself through testing and significant penalties thrown at the violaters.

Doesn't matter to you though, as your opinion is as jaded as can be......so arguing the point is just a waste of time.
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#25 » by bullox » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:45 am

Superiorblogman wrote:
Proof?


I like how you come with this after basically being completely ignorant to Braun's clear innocence, with many facts staring you in the face. You convicted him in your mind when there is clear evidence to the contrary, enough to make an arbitrator make a decision never before made.

Braun never juiced. He has clear notes of his workouts over the past several years. His workouts never changed. How would he have an insanely high test result, followed immediately by a clear test result, when he never changed physically one bit?

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Yep.
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#26 » by Apathy » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:02 pm

lobosloboslobos wrote:16,000 posts and you're arguing that steroids have little or no effect on performance?


what's your evidence?

Maybe you haven't heard of two guys named Roger Maris and Babe Ruth. They were the only two baseball players in 70+ years to hit 60 home runs. Strangely, in 1998 two players who took steroids hit way more than them, and another player who took steroids hit even more 3 years later.


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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#27 » by Dirty Water » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:47 am

Apathy wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:16,000 posts and you're arguing that steroids have little or no effect on performance?


what's your evidence?

Maybe you haven't heard of two guys named Roger Maris and Babe Ruth. They were the only two baseball players in 70+ years to hit 60 home runs. Strangely, in 1998 two players who took steroids hit way more than them, and another player who took steroids hit even more 3 years later.


circumstantial at best


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Hopefully the right edge of this doesn't get cut off, but you can clearly see the power and runs numbers increase throughout the 80s and 90s while peaking in early 2000s, before dropping dramatically after steroids were officially banned in major league baseball in 2004. That's pretty substantial evidence.

Another interesting note is average age of MLB player, increased during those times when 'roids were legal.

While I may concede that the increase in some categories is due to expansion teams, it does not explain the recent decrease whatsoever.
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Re: Baseball is a Dirty Sport that Cheats It's Fans 

Post#28 » by Apathy » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:40 pm

pitchers were using steroids too. how do you control for that? are you controlling for park effects too? when exactly are you claiming steroids became pervasive? 1993?

you say runs dropped off after '04 but then they popped right back up in '06. steroids again?

it's evidence but like i said it's circumstantial.

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