Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

Ed Wood · Post #801 » by **Ed Wood** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:53 am

Myself I would not say non-starter so much as not really getting it done in its current incarnation and probably you (Golden State) wouldn't be as fond of an alternative that would work better on our end. Wright would fill a need as a small forward who is something other than a marginal NBA player but he's not arousing great ardor. Udoh, while still fairly young, would be more "oh well there would be minutes to fill at center with McGee gone" than a coveted item.

I'd say maybe if you'd consider an additional swap of Nick Young for Klay Thompson. Nick would have to consent to the trade but I'm not sure he wouldn't, as he's also a California native and I can't imagine what he expects to get out of preserving his bird rights. I wouldn't say no to a Jeremy Tyler but we're very much in "see if it sticks" mode and I'm not desperately in need. We might throw Ronny Turiaf back at you for some expiring salary. Or Jordan Crawford if you'd prefer him to Nick, his PER is even better than Thompson's still even, for having been defended by Jimmer Fredette very recently.

Dat2U · Post #802 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:57 am

Dorrell Wright is a fringe starter. Ekpe Udoh is a career backup and Klay Thompson has demonstrated shooting ability but very little else.

Only guy I would be interested in from the Warriors is Steph Curry, gimply ankle and all.

tontoz · Post #803 » by **tontoz** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:58 am

NW wrote:There's talk the Warriors are targeting McGee with their cap room (around 10-11 mil). Marc Spears of Yahoo said he would love to be in California. Any interest in a deal? Some DC Wiz blogger named Mike Prada mentioned some deal with Dorell Wright and Ekpe Udoh fwiw.

If the Wizards are looking to trade McGee they would probably rather have your draft pick for this year. My guess is that they would try to hold out for that, but possibly accept Wright at the deadline.

NW · Post #804 » by NW » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:04 am

Ed Wood wrote:Myself I would not say non-starter so much as not really getting it done in its current incarnation and probably you (Golden State) wouldn't be as fond of an alternative that would work better on our end. Wright would fill a need as a small forward who is something other than a marginal NBA player but he's not arousing great ardor. Udoh, while still fairly young, would be more "oh well there would be minutes to fill at center with McGee gone" than a coveted item.

I'd say maybe if you'd consider an additional swap of Nick Young for Klay Thompson. Nick would have to consent to the trade but I'm not sure he wouldn't, as he's also a California native and I can't imagine what he expects to get out of preserving his bird rights. I wouldn't say no to a Jeremy Tyler but we're very much in "see if it sticks" mode and I'm not desperately in need. We might throw Ronny Turiaf back at you for some expiring salary. Or Jordan Crawford if you'd prefer him to Nick, his PER is even better than Thompson's still even, for having been defended by Jimmer Fredette very recently.

Yeah, that doesn't really appeal on the GS side IMO. Better off taking a chance on him in FA and see what needs to be offered to dissuade the Wiz from matching

Dat2U · Post #805 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:04 am

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Warriors pick. GSW's draft pick + Wright or Thompson might work for me as well.

NW · Post #806 » by NW » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:08 am

Dat2U wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about the Warriors pick. GSW's draft pick + Wright or Thompson might work for me as well.

Don't have it

7-Day Dray · Post #807 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:11 am

GSW's pick is top 7 protected to the Jazz. If they finish in the top 7 worst teams, they'll get their pick, but the way it looks right now, they'll get a pick lower than #7, so there pick will go to the Jazz.

TGW · Post #808 » by **TGW** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:18 am

I would take Klay Thompson, Wright, and Udoh for McGee and Singleton. Klay Thompson would be the type of player I'd want developing with Wall in the backcourt.

NW · Post #809 » by NW » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:29 am

TGW wrote:I would take Klay Thompson, Wright, and Udoh for McGee and Singleton. Klay Thompson would be the type of player I'd want developing with Wall in the backcourt.

Interesting.

Dat2U · Post #810 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:41 am

TGW wrote:I would take Klay Thompson, Wright, and Udoh for McGee and Singleton. Klay Thompson would be the type of player I'd want developing with Wall in the backcourt.

To me, it looks like trading a starting center for bench depth. Wright is the definition of the average NBA player and arguably at the moment, he'd be the best player we'd be receiving in that deal.

Again, I'm not against dealing McGee, but I'd need something more substantive in return.

Like a quality NBA starter. Or a guy that projects to be one. I'm defining quality starter as (top 15 and above at his position). I don't think that's asking for too much.

TGW · Post #811 » by **TGW** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:59 am

Dat2U wrote:
TGW wrote:I would take Klay Thompson, Wright, and Udoh for McGee and Singleton. Klay Thompson would be the type of player I'd want developing with Wall in the backcourt.

To me, it looks like trading a starting center for bench depth. Wright is the definition of the average NBA player and arguably at the moment, he'd be the best player we'd be receiving in that deal.

Again, I'm not against dealing McGee, but I'd need something more substantive in return.

Like a quality NBA starter. Or a guy that projects to be one. I'm defining quality starter as (top 15 and above at his position). I don't think that's asking for too much.

You're telling me a guy (Thompson) who has a TS% of .561 with an efg% of .553 couldn't be a quality starter? That's better than Nick Young's best year, and Nick is widely considered as an average starting shooting guard.

I'm not that high on Wright, but he would provide depth behind our eventual starter. Udoh is playable.

Right now, I'm not interested in matching a big contract for Javale. The WTFs have gotten to me...no good starting center goofs up as much as McGee. And I don't see many teams lining up to offer a quality starter for him. Maybe Wes Matthews at best? I don't know...

Benjammin · Post #812 » by **Benjammin** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:59 am

Apparently, guys are channeling their inner Wes Unseld the last few pages. Hopefully Ernie doesn't feel the same need. Klay Thompson can flat out shoot the ball. He flat out can't guard anyone. He's not a starter.

queridiculo · Post #813 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:38 am

I'll take my chances with losing McGee in FA.

Post #814 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:21 pm

I don't mind trading McGee on priniciple, but the problem with it is - there's a shortage of center - like there always is. Who do we get to replace him - and how do we get him? If I could be sure that we could get Hawes (even with his achilles problem), I'd trade Javale, but I can't be sure.

Severn Hoos · Post #815 » by **Severn Hoos** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:07 pm

Benjammin wrote: Klay Thompson can flat out shoot the ball. He flat out can't guard anyone.

And he wound up on the Warriors. How weird.....

popper · Post #816 » by **popper** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:19 pm

I hear mention of NY giving up his Bird rights if traded. I guess I don't understand the rule. I thought he would be an UFA after this season (free to sign with any team for any amount without compensation to the Wizards) If so, what impact does the Bird right bestow on him or the Wizards?

popper · Post #817 » by **popper** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:21 pm

What kind of offer would it take to sign Batum and/or Anderson and be confident their respective teams would not match?

Silvie Lysandra · Post #818 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:54 pm

Dat2U wrote:I'm not against trading McGee, but I'm not against keeping him either. I really do wonder how he'd do in a different environment, surrounded by veterans who are serious minded and focused on winning.

McGee's talented enough that I'd prefer to change the culture first before totally giving up on him.

Right, the annual Washington tradition of making excuses for our scrubs. Change the culture? He IS the culture, just as much as Blatche is, but you are all blinded to it because he throws down a highlight dunk or gets a highlight block once in a while. And yes, Javale McGee is a SCRUB.

Javale McGee is barely a rotation player on any of the top 8 playoff teams. He just does so many fundamental things badly. If McGee did his crap on the Spurs or Mavericks or even the Heat he would never get off the bench.

If Houston can throw in Motiejunas in that deal, I'd be all over it.

verbal8 · Post #819 » by **verbal8** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:10 pm

Ruzious wrote:I don't mind trading McGee on priniciple, but the problem with it is - there's a shortage of center - like there always is. Who do we get to replace him - and how do we get him? If I could be sure that we could get Hawes (even with his achilles problem), I'd trade Javale, but I can't be sure.

The 2 players who intrigue me most for McGee would be Galanri or Batum. McGee directly to Denver doesn't make a lot of sense(unless they see Nene as a potential PF). Maybe a pick and Ilyasova.

If the team takes a quick leap forward, I think they should target guys like Okafor and Dalembert.

Maybe one of the Lopez's or Gortat is available. Ian Mahinmi is very intriguing, but I don't know if his production would hold up in a starting role.

Most likely, the Center of the future is going to have to come from the draft.

Post #820 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:17 pm

I gotta agree with Chaos' point about the culture. The group of players with the most seniority on the Wiz is Young, Blatche, and McGee (YBM, indeed) - the tres knuckleheads - and they came when Arenas was the charismatic figure in the locker room. YBM is the Wiz (irony) culture. That culture doesn't go away without YBM going away.

As for Batum and Anderson - with them being restricted, their teams will most likely match. I think Portland eventually does a sign and trade - because I think they keep Wallace and want Aldridge to stay at PF - and they've committed dollars to Matthews. I think Orlando's probably more inclined to keep Anderson. Ilyasova seems like a much more realistic acquisition than Anderson - he'll be restricted and cheaper.