ESPN: Teams inquiring about Bargnani, Calderon

[Plushberry]

Now you want to attribute things that happened before he got here to him, ok. I bet he OK'ed the Vince Carter trade too.

[lucky777s]

Now you want to attribute things that happened before he got here to him, ok. I bet he OK'ed the Vince Carter trade too.

So you honestly don't think that MLSE would get the approval of a big name GM they were about to announce hiring on a significant trade like that (Rose/draft pick)?

If he did not like it he may have walked away. I would estimate the percentage at about 90% he approved that move.

You disagree? or just complaining and making excuses for BC.

[Tofubeque]

It's really a good trade for everyone if IND is looking for SG/backupPG help in playoffs. Barbs can steal a game with his explosiveness.

And if Chandler is really BC's target he isn't going to hold out for a pick. Bird has until Mar 15 deadline while BC has only until Mar 1 to sign Chandler. Plus lots of teams with contracts they might want to dump while few with cap space. Which is why I worry BC gives up a pick.

And how much BC will offer Chandler. I smell a Turk size deal.

I appreciate your pessimism, but I don't think Chandler will be a Raptor this season. BC has to know he'd be signing himself right out of a job if he made that move. All his rhetoric over the last year has suggested we're staying pat.

Anyway, he still has Kirilenko to throw money at, and he's older, on the decline, and a euro

[Parataxis]

And if Chandler is really BC's target he isn't going to hold out for a pick. Bird has until Mar 15 deadline while BC has only until Mar 1 to sign Chandler. Plus lots of teams with contracts they might want to dump while few with cap space. Which is why I worry BC gives up a pick.

How does the March 1st deadline work for RFAs? Does he need to be signed by then, or just offer-sheeted? What about from Denver's end of things?

[Peezy]

Dude , Brian Colangelo wasnt even the raptors GM when vince carter was traded. what r u even talking about??? . no i dont think the MLSE would consult another teams GM to see if the traded was bad or not . If anything the other team would use that to their advantage and would have tried to get in on the VC trade. I feel like you dont know what your even talking about .....

[HighOctane]

We've been waiting for YEARS for Calderon and Bargnani to shoot up in value so we can trade them. Let's not miss seizing the moment.

[lobosloboslobos]

Maybe this is crazy but could there be a Calderon for Rondo deal available? We could throw in Ed or Amir + a pick or filler. Apart from the fact that KG and Caldy have a history, the addition of a good young big and Jose on a good defensive team, distributing PnR to all those excellent shooters might be an improvement for them both in the immediate and longer term. Jose is not old and could be good for a few years yet. He'd get as many assists as Rondo if not more, + far better shooting minus much worse defense. And I'm pretty sure everyone here would love to have Rondo. Is it totally insane or remotely possible?

[Hassassin]

Maybe this is crazy but could there be a Calderon for Rondo deal available? We could throw in Ed or Amir + a pick or filler. Apart from the fact that KG and Caldy have a history, the addition of a good young big and Jose on a good defensive team, distributing PnR to all those excellent shooters might be an improvement for them both in the immediate and longer term. Jose is not old and could be good for a few years yet. He'd get as many assists as Rondo if not more, + far better shooting minus much worse defense. And I'm pretty sure everyone here would love to have Rondo. Is it totally insane or remotely possible?

Would you do it if you were Danny Ainge?

[lobosloboslobos]

Maybe this is crazy but could there be a Calderon for Rondo deal available? We could throw in Ed or Amir + a pick or filler. Apart from the fact that KG and Caldy have a history, the addition of a good young big and Jose on a good defensive team, distributing PnR to all those excellent shooters might be an improvement for them both in the immediate and longer term. Jose is not old and could be good for a few years yet. He'd get as many assists as Rondo if not more, + far better shooting minus much worse defense. And I'm pretty sure everyone here would love to have Rondo. Is it totally insane or remotely possible?

Would you do it if you were Danny Ainge?

Well, I guess it depends in part on what people think of calderon. I mean, if he were to maintain his A game, it is a pretty impressive game. When his shot is falling he becomes a very potent offensive weapon even if his style is pretty boring. I could see him doing a great job supplying RayRay and PP and KG (after spitting on the ball) while hitting plenty of open 3s. And if we sweetened it with a good young player or even two...well... I think Jose does have quite a bit of value around the league and on the right team he could put up pretty massive numbers. Of course, he might not maintain his A game, which is the big unknown. I do think his hamstring has been a huge factor and that it may have disrupted him for a full two seasons. Possibly he is only now really finding his form again? Or maybe he is just streaky, I don't know...so to answer your question probably not, but surrounded by the right pieces, maybe. Because if you have a PG to trade then you nee to get one back, same as us. And as we know, there aren't many available...

[chimpston17]

Maybe this is crazy but could there be a Calderon for Rondo deal available? We could throw in Ed or Amir + a pick or filler. Apart from the fact that KG and Caldy have a history, the addition of a good young big and Jose on a good defensive team, distributing PnR to all those excellent shooters might be an improvement for them both in the immediate and longer term. Jose is not old and could be good for a few years yet. He'd get as many assists as Rondo if not more, + far better shooting minus much worse defense. And I'm pretty sure everyone here would love to have Rondo. Is it totally insane or remotely possible?

Our pick is certainly not a filler it is the key piece that would need to be involved to potentially offer a fair package for Rondo, along with like you said ed or amir (most likely Ed) and jose. I think it would be worth looking into, Boston has been rumored to be shopping Rondo for a while now it seems but it would take a really good offer. If we could pull off a trade like that in combo with shedding barbosa's salary to take on signing W chandler, a trade like this could have us looking at:

Rondo/Bayless
Derozan/Chandler
Chandler/Kleiza/JJ
Bargs/Amir
Valanciunas/Gray

That would be an interesting team. Still not sure if we could pry away Rondo with this package but if we could it's worth looking into imo

[pass first]

Maybe this is crazy but could there be a Calderon for Rondo deal available? We could throw in Ed or Amir + a pick or filler. And I'm pretty sure everyone here would love to have Rondo. Is it totally insane or remotely possible?

I wouldn't. We have bad enough shooting as it is, and that's with the point guards being the best 3pt shooters on the team.

I think it's important the pgof can shoot, so Bargs and Valanciunas will have the space they need, so that the opponents won't be daring the pg to shoot all the time (go under screens) taking away the roll guy, and so kick-outs out of the post will be money.

[Rapsalot]

I think we should keep Bargs for now and see how the bigs rotation is next year with Val, Bargs, Amir, Ed and Maglore.

I would be game for trading Jose to Indy for D Jones and 2 future second round picks and we get some cap space (IF) we also had in the hopper LB + pacers future second rounders for Mo Williams. Then we would have more money to go after Willson Chandler.

Indy would get a very good Back Up and even starter PG if Collison was injured. We would get picks, cap space and an OK back up SG that is more of a defensive specialist.

LAClips would get a fair experienced shooting guard to help for balance on the team, cap space at the end of the year, 2 second round picks and we would get Mo Williams who can start in this league but will not over CP3. I understand williams could not be Robin to LBJ's Batman in Cleveland but he is a starter in this league and if you make him the 4 option, play some defense and run the team I think he will do well until you can get and up-grade down the line.

If that leads to Willson Chandler here is how the New Raps would look.

C Gray, Amir, JM and (next year Val)
PF Bargs Ed LK and Amir
SF W Chandler, JJ and LK
SG DD, DJ, GF Who know maybe Weems next year????
PG Mo Williams, J Bayless, Carter.

We could work on an other PG in the off season if we move away from JB and could use our high first rounder this year on best player talent as we would be a better team.

Next year if Val is good you could say for the first time in a very long time we have NBA starting quality and all positions.

[flatjacket1]

Any trade that involves young players or cap relief I would do it, if not, let the guy retire a Raptor.

[whoknows]

We've been waiting for YEARS for Calderon and Bargnani to shoot up in value so we can trade them. Let's not miss seizing the moment.

Don't make it sound like a majority, only some wanted them traded at all cost.
While I have no problem to upgrade at PG/SG, I think Raps are lucky to have AB who wants to stay with this team.

[disoblige]

bargnani's value is at all time high. meaning the other teams are low balling BC.

[TM85]

J.Calderon, A.Bargnani & R.Butler

for

P.George, T.Hansbrough & D.Collison

[Greg Stink]

Any trade that involves young players or cap relief I would do it, if not, let the guy retire a Raptor.

I have a feeling Jose retires from the NBA a Raptor no matter what. If gets traded this year and plays out his deal BC could pick him up again as a backup, hopefully to a young, clear starter playing 35+ minutes- and I'd be on board. Doubt he would cost much to us and he'd be better than any vet who would come here a a backup/mentor.

[Yoga]

bargnani's value is at all time high. meaning the other teams are low balling BC.

That could be. But what teams could be contacting BC about Bargs? Contenders? Is Bargs a missing piece on a top team in the West/East?

[whoknows]

bargnani's value is at all time high. meaning the other teams are low balling BC.

That could be. But what teams could be contacting BC about Bargs? Contenders? Is Bargs a missing piece on a top team in the West/East?

I'd think Chi would love to have him, but nothing much to offer.
Also, LA would love to swap Gasol for AB...I'm afraid AB would love that too...

[TrueToCaesar]

I almost smashed my keyboard when I read "We're trying to keep him" (Calderon)

Seriously? Are we not rebuilding still? We should hold on to an overpaid veteran with no upside right?