2012 NBA Draft - Part II

[dobrojim]

Why do people here keep wanting to waste a high draft pick to replace McGee, one of the few good assists to the team.

I would replace
Nick, craw, singleton vesely. They need shooters.

What are more heavy Dunkers going to do for a team like the wizards?
Look at the impact vesly had. Which is little at all. Why? Cause he can't shoot...

I don't understand why people don't see this as a major issue.

When the wizards were a playoff team,
They had at least 3 starters that could shoot pass the 3. And they had an awesome bench which they traded all of them away....

Now, the current wizards have no shooters pass the 3!

Because in his 4th year, McGee is still very often clueless on how to
play the game. We know his physical tools are elite. We also know
that is NOT enough by itself. Or we wouldn't be among the dregs of
the league. All that said, I doubt there is anyone in the draft incl
Drummond, who we should be looking at as an immediate replacement.

Nick needs to go. Was watching last night and noted that Durrant
had 6 assists vs the Lakers. OK, KD is one of the best 3-4 players in
the league but he's also a volume scorer. But it doesn't prevent him
from getting assists. Nick has shown himself to be incapable in this
area. It's not acceptable because it's not winning basketball.

Craw is OK as a 3rd guard. We know he takes really bad shots too often.
He's also in his first year of actually playing and has shown at times some
ability to create for others. Could we do better? Yeah probably but he's
not high on the list of 'gotta go before we get good'.

We got Sing and Ves because we were a BAD defensive team. Seems
a little premature to jettison those guys again as players who keep
us from any prospect of getting better.

When we were good, or lets say good enough to make playoffs, we had
a quality defensive C in Haywood, a PF who got rebounds even if he was
defensively challenged and either Gil (elite offensive) or heady vet PG
in Antonio Daniels. All these guys are worlds better in terms of knowing
how to play than most rotation guys on our current roster.

[mhd]

Here's a thought, unless we get the #1 pick, would you trade Blatche+the pick for Harden (conditioned on Harden accepting an extension)? OKC saves money on the Harden extension, try and rehab Blatche, and likely get a really good wing like Barnes, Beal, or MKG.

[rl25g]

Here's a thought, unless we get the #1 pick, would you trade Blatche+the pick for Harden (conditioned on Harden accepting an extension)? OKC saves money on the Harden extension, try and rehab Blatche, and likely get a really good wing like Barnes, Beal, or MKG.

I would much rather try and trade our 2013 pick

E.g. Vesley, Crawford, Unprotected 2013 1st for Harden

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Here's a thought, unless we get the #1 pick, would you trade Blatche+the pick for Harden (conditioned on Harden accepting an extension)? OKC saves money on the Harden extension, try and rehab Blatche, and likely get a really good wing like Barnes, Beal, or MKG.

Yes.

Getting a proven player and get rid of an unwanted player at the same time is worth sacrificing the pick. I doubt OKC would do it, however. If the Wizards acquired the rights to Harden through trade, they would have their starter at SG, and thus could go all in $$ on acquiring a top free agent SF or PF. Batum, Ilyasova, and Anderson would be attainable. Free agents would take the Wizards seriously if Washington already had added Harden via trade.

I would be all for it, mhd.

[TheBigThree]

No way in hell would I part with a likely top 3 pick in this draft for Harden, not even if it means we could dump Blatche.

To me that would be absolutely insane.

[queridiculo]

Giving up a lottery pick for the right to sign Harden to an extension is a laughably bad move.

It's the equivalent of treading water.

Harden will be a UFA soon enough, and if we're ready to make the kind of financial commitment that's required to sign him to a long term contract, we might as well make a hard play for Batum this coming offseason.

Neither move requires us to part with a lottery pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

No way in hell would I part with a likely top 3 pick in this draft for Harden, not even if it means we could dump Blatche.

To me that would be absolutely insane.

First of all, I probably wouldn't trade a top-3. I value Davis, MKG, and Robinson higher than Harden.

Blatche is still on the roster and will still be a PF, even if WAS drafts Jared Sullinger. Where do their minutes, Booker's, and Seraphin's come from? Also, the same with Vesely--when and where does he play with Blatche in the lineup?

Blatche will still be a starting PF if WAS drafts Harrison Barnes. The Wizards would have Barnes, Singleton, Vesely all SFs and a porous defender and team cancer, Blatche, at PF. Booker is better.

The reason to get rid of Blatche is this deal essentially swaps Blatche's salary for Harden's new contract. It gives Harden a great backcourt teammate at SG, and it leaves money to pursue TWO free agents. I feel you have to remove Blatche at this point. Maybe he will come back and play very well after the All Star game and improve his trade value but for now, I would do this trade.

You might disagree, TheBigThree, but this is not insane IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If anything, the Wizards could do something like Blatche, Singleton, and a future first for some other team's bad or expiring contract and a late first in this draft.

Something like Blatche, Singleton, and a 2014 1st round pick in exchange for Metta World Peace, Devin Ebanks, and the Laker's 2012 first makes sense to me.

[Zonkerbl]

You can amnesty Blatche and just keep the pick.

If you trade Blatche for Harden and the pick, you've essentially traded the pick for Harden. Getting rid of Blatche is not a benefit of that trade because you could just amnesty him instead.

Remember they've tweaked the buyout rules too so we can just buy Lewis out, so the only legit amnesty candidate on the roster is Blatche. Trading him away means we get nothing from the amnesty clause.

Well, I guess if you trade Blatche away instead of amnestying him you save Ted some money. But it doesn't help the team all that much.

[Ruzious]

Giving up a lottery pick for the right to sign Harden to an extension is a laughably bad move.

It's the equivalent of treading water.

Harden will be a UFA soon enough, and if we're ready to make the kind of financial commitment that's required to sign him to a long term contract, we might as well make a hard play for Batum this coming offseason.

Neither move requires us to part with a lottery pick.

Exactly right. As much as I like Harden, trading for him now - and hoping you could sign him for 3 times what you'd be paying for your pick takes away all the salary cap advantages the team currently has. Spend the money, but maximize its use.

[WizarDynasty]

calling blatche a team cancer is lil dubious. the problem with blatche is that he just isn't that talented but wants to be something that is beyond his reach.
Blatche is a decent 6th man coming off the bench for most teams but he wants to be treated like a top tier powerforward.
His contract is very reasonable for 6th man powerforward. I think people on this board can't functionally normally without having a villain to act each day.

the problem with the wizards is that we finally have a core of players to develop in the future with but now we need actual starters. Its hard to acquire high quality starters when you don't have anything to offer so we have to wait each year for the next 3 years and add one starter each year.
Blatche was a second round pick that lived way above his potential and is a decent big coming off the bench. Just leave it at that.
We don't have a starter powerforward prospect on this team.
We have one starter center prospect that's close to finished in mcgee. We have a pretty close to finished all star point guard.
We have backups for all of our positions. We now need to add starters but no team wants to give up a starter. You only are going to get a starter by giving up 1st rounder top 10 protected--which wizards don't have or you are going to have draft and trade. The only real starters in the draft usually lie in the top five picks in a strong draft. Unfortunately for us, we choose to fall outside of the top five at the end of season by management allowing the players to go on 10 game winning streaks at the end of the season in meaningless games thus transforming our starter into a bench player.
Until we get competent management, don't expect to get a starter in the top five picks.
I think a great idea is to trade an unprotected 1st round pick to kings for cousins. Cousin and wall have great chemistry. A cousin mcgee front court with wall....and we over pay gordon and trade for wallace or joe johnson. a last resort is to grab marvin williams.
Sign Harden to a 1 year max contract. and after okc matches. sign him the next year. I don't see why we don't use our cap space that way, i assume there is a hidden rule all teams conspire to not sign a free agent to a one year max contract.

[Ruzious]

Remember they've tweaked the buyout rules too so we can just buy Lewis out, so the only legit amnesty candidate on the roster is Blatche. Trading him away means we get nothing from the amnesty clause.

I'm not following you there. What buyout rules did they tweak?

[Zonkerbl]

They pro-rate the cap hit over ten years or something, forget the exact details. But now it actually makes sense to buy people out, where before whatever you spent on the buyout hit your cap by that same amount.

I guess it's still pretty drastic -- a $10 mill buyout spread over ten years means you are sacrificing one vet minimum player for the next ten years.

I remember this because we were talking about buying Arenas out. Problem was, the only way to get any cap relief from the buyout is to get the player to agree to a buyout that's less than their guaranteed contract. Pointless.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

calling blatche a team cancer is lil dubious. the problem with blatche is that he just isn't that talented but wants to be something that is beyond his reach.
Blatche is a decent 6th man coming off the bench for most teams but he wants to be treated like a top tier powerforward.
His contract is very reasonable for 6th man powerforward. I think people on this board can't functionally normally without having a villain to act each day.

the problem with the wizards is that we finally have a core of players to develop in the future with but now we need actual starters. Its hard to acquire high quality starters when you don't have anything to offer so we have to wait each year for the next 3 years and add one starter each year.

Blatche was a second round pick that lived way above his potential and is a decent big coming off the bench. Just leave it at that.

That is the problem. Blatche wants to be treated like a top power forward. Add to that, there's no obviously better PF on the team to make Blatche accept being the sixth man. I called him a cancer, but that isn't really right. He has had some bad play and a few bad incidents in the past.

The younger guys are IMO better off without Andray.

[dobrojim]

def would NOT trade our #1 for Harden

he's a good player but is he better than Barnes or MKG will
be after a year? I doubt it.

[Ruzious]

They pro-rate the cap hit over ten years or something, forget the exact details. But now it actually makes sense to buy people out, where before whatever you spent on the buyout hit your cap by that same amount.

I guess it's still pretty drastic -- a $10 mill buyout spread over ten years means you are sacrificing one vet minimum player for the next ten years.

I remember this because we were talking about buying Arenas out. Problem was, the only way to get any cap relief from the buyout is to get the player to agree to a buyout that's less than their guaranteed contract. Pointless.

Wow, I hadn't heard about that. Thanks, Zonk.

[tontoz]

def would NOT trade our #1 for Harden

he's a good player but is he better than Barnes or MKG will
be after a year? I doubt it.

Historically people tend to overrate guys before they are drafted. There is a very good chance that one or both of those two won't be as good as harden.

I would guess that the majority of guys picked 2-5 havent been as productive as Harden.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm trying to google more exact details and I can't find it... Did I make it up?

[edit: here it is, phew!

http://www.hoopsworld.com/cba-scenarios ... tch-clause

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[Severn Hoos]

I'm trying to google more exact details and I can't find it... Did I make it up?

I'm looking also - would like to see the link if you can find it.

And FWIW, I do think amnestying Blatche and buying our Lewis is the best course, because even though it only adds a few million in cap space this summer (and costs Ted a lot of coupons), it adds an extra $8M in cap space the next two summers. And if JaVale does sign the 1-year tender and then they try to re-sign him next summer, they will need cap space to do it (I think). Or, if they let him walk, they'll definitely need cap space to sign a replacement.

[Zonkerbl]

Well, if I understand the stretch exemption, Lewis isn't a good candidate -- you'd only be able to stretch it over two or three years.

Lewis does have value as an expiring contract though. You could probably get something useful for him in a trade. So I'd still amnesty Blatche rather than Lewis.

"Stretch provision

• 2005 CBA: By mutual agreement, teams can alter the payment schedule to waived players. The remaining guaranteed salary is applied to the team's salary cap across the remaining years of the player's contract.

• 2011 CBA: The player's remaining salary and his cap hit may be stretched across twice the number of seasons remaining on the contract, plus one (for example, the salary and cap hit for a player waived with two seasons remaining may be stretched across five seasons). This is entirely at the team's discretion, but it applies only to contracts signed under the 2011 CBA.

• Who benefits? Teams with bad contracts. For example, if a team has an underperforming player with one season remaining at $12 million, the team can waive him and stretch his salary across three seasons at $4 million per season. This will help with cash flow and provide $8 million in cap relief for the current season."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA ... s-last-one