Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Greg Stink]

Does anybody watch North Texas? Know anything about Tony Mitchell? I couldn't pick him out of a lineup of two but he's putting up excellent stats across the board as an athletic PF, offensive and defensive, even hitting a three per game at 46% in his first season. Weak conference, sure.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Mitchell-(North-Texas)-6229/

[Dalek]

I know it has been a while, but I thought that it is worth mentioning that Myck Kabongo is picking up his play recently (won Big 12 Rookie of the Week). I would love to have this guy as a pick and roll option. If we do draft in late lottery I'd take him. He has a turnover issue right now, but he has great quickness and is a pass-first guy. He would be a great back-up point for his rookie year.

I'd compare him to Brandon Jennings in many ways. He definitely can make difficult passes. The best thing is is isn't a big ego headcase like Jennings and has the potential to be better.

[DarkKnight]

Does anybody watch North Texas? Know anything about Tony Mitchell? I couldn't pick him out of a lineup of two but he's putting up excellent stats across the board as an athletic PF, offensive and defensive, even hitting a three per game at 46% in his first season. Weak conference, sure.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Mitchell-(North-Texas)-6229/

He's a soph-aged freshman after losing his eligibility from the 2010 class. Originally committed to Missouri (already a terrific team, would be scary with a Sophomore Mitchell on the squad). Good, almost elite athleticism, a but short for NBa PF but great reach/wingspan. Decent shooter but low release point. Versatile. Very good rebounder/shotblocker. Good motor. Should stay 1-2 more seasons to get some structure in his game.

[Indeed]

Oh and in the above scenario, if Toronto is at 6-7 and Davis/Barnes/Lamb are all gone, I get on the phones with a team that didn't net the number one pick (and got Davis) and try and dangle DeRozan/Ed Davis/2012 2nd rd and perhaps future pick to snag one of Barnes and Lamb and a 6 mill-ish contract. Such a deal could work with Cleveland (Gibson), Detroit (Prince), NOH (Ariza)

If I am drafting Davis/Barnes, I would say no to those trades.
They won't mind having bad contracts, as long as they locked up a future franchise.

Would you trade A. Davis for Brandon Knight, while they take away Calderon's contract? I don't think so.

[Man of Steel]

Haven't watched more than three Baylor games this year but I scanned through their game logs and both PJ3 and QM have too many games where they played between 25-30 minutes and scored less than 10 points for me to be sold on them going in the top 5, or even top 10. IMO Marshall and Kabongo have displayed far more for their position/play style CONSISTENTLY, than PJ3 or QMiller have for their position/play style.

[Marlo Stanfield]

My All-Star break top-10 Mock based on current standings:

1) Bobcats - Anthony Davis
2) Hornets - Harrison Barnes
3) Wizards - Andre Drummond
4) Raptors - Michael Gilchrist
5) Nets - Jared Sullinger
6) Kings - Thomas Robinson
7) Pistons - Perry Jones
8) Bucks - Bradley Beal
9) Cavaliers - Jeremy Lamb
10) Jazz (from Warriors) - Tyler Zeller

That's just my gut feeling, feel free to quote and edit for your own opinions.

[Reignman]

My All-Star break top-10 Mock based on current standings:

1) Bobcats - Anthony Davis
2) Hornets - Harrison Barnes
3) Wizards - Andre Drummond
4) Raptors - Michael Gilchrist
5) Nets - Jared Sullinger
6) Kings - Thomas Robinson
7) Pistons - Perry Jones
8) Bucks - Bradley Beal
9) Cavaliers - Jeremy Lamb
10) Jazz (from Warriors) - Tyler Zeller

That's just my gut feeling, feel free to quote and edit for your own opinions.

Pretty good list. I'd have Lamb and Beal higher and Sully lower. Drummond could fall but could also go #2. I'd probably go:

1) Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes/Drummond
3) Andre Drummond/Harrison Barnes
4) Michael Gilchrist
5) Lamb
6) Beal
7) Robinson
8) Perry Jones (could go higher due to potential/size/skill)
9) Sullinger
10) Austin Rivers / Q Miller

I didn't take team needs into consideration.

[DA_SCOUT]

from the above list of 10^^
I can see the pistons taking PJIII lool
I also see Jeremy Lamb being a great fit for the Cavaliers..hmm
Sullinger on the nets doesn't seem right unless they use him for a Howard trade..
Isiah Thomas, Evans, Thorton, Robinson, Cousins sounds like a solid lineup although i believe Thorton is better at the 2 spot

rest sounds about right, wish we could get Barnes or trade down and get Qmill
but only time will tell i guess lol


On a side note, Lebryan Nash has been dissapointing this season, I expected a lot better.

[Rapsfan07]

On a side note, Lebryan Nash has been dissapointing this season, I expected a lot better.

He said its very likely he'll be going back to school anyways. He could use some more seasoning.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I figured after Davis team needs could be considered because a lot of the guys would be in the same tier imo. Also, I was assuming the Nets get Howard and put Sullinger beside him lol.

[Tough Tony D]

Good list and idea Marlo.

Mine would look like this

1) Bobcats - Anthony Davis
2) Hornets - Harrison Barnes
3) Wizards - Andre Drummond
4) Raptors - Michael Gilchrist
5) Nets - PJIII
6) Kings - Thomas Robinson
7) Pistons - Bradley Beal
8) Bucks - Jeremy Lamb
9) Cavaliers - Quincy Miller
10) Jazz (from Warriors) - Terrence Jones

[BillyGM]

1 round Michael Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/ Jeremy Lamb
2 round Tony Mitchell

[DarkKnight]

ASB Mock 1.0 with explanations

1) Bobcats - Anthony Davis - clear cut #1 but this screams trade with Biyombo already playing the anthony davis role and a huge hole at SF on this team
2) Hornets - Andre Drummond - Upside too big to ignore and team already has a ball-dominant wing in Eric Gordon
3) Wizards - Thomas Robinson - T-Rob moves up based on performance, character, readiness, and need. Wizards just took a SF in the high first round last year and the next best prospects are all SFs
4) Nets - Harrison Barnes - Perfect fit as a scorer/defender/shooter at the 3. Drops due to needs for teams above and concerns with his dribble-drive ability.
5) Raptors - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - Maybe not the best fit next to Demar but clear BPA at this point. Could be Lamb if he works out/measures great.
6) Kings - Jared Sullinger - Honestly, any pick here is sort of stupid for the kings. They should trade out - they've just got way too many young guys that dont fit together, with evans/jimmer/thornton/hickson/thompson/cousins/thomas. Adding another young guy isn't a great idea. But, since I have to pick I go with the most stable guy left in the draft.
7) Pistons - Jeremy Lamb - Wing positions are very weak for the pistons and Prince isn't getting younger. Knight/Monroe are a nice young combo and Lamb slides in perfectly at the 2.
8) Bucks - Perry Jones III - Classic BPA scenario. Other than Bogut there's not a lot to like on this roster. Jennings may not be back and there's not much young talent on the roster. I think Jones moves up after workouts.
9) Cavaliers - Bradley Beal - I think Moultrie might be the BPA here but with Thompson/Varejao/Jamison all at the 4 spot they really need a 2 more than a 4, and Beal is a good option.
10) Jazz (from Warriors) - Kendall Marshall - Jazz desperately need to trade down. Marshall would be a great fit with them but they should be able to get him 5-8 spots lower. Again, Moultrie should be the pick but with Favors, Millsap, Jefferson, and Kanter up front there are 0 minutes for a big.

Realized after writing this that the guy whose order I used is totally wrong so the order here is wrong too. Oh well.

[Kevin Willis]

^- If anything you get rid of BB and keep Davis if you're Charlotte. I think PJ3 slips out of the top 10. He's the kind of guy to get a GM fired. Marshall won't be that high and there other players that might be a better fit for them. I would take Wroten over Marshall and I don't even like Wroten.

Besides that - pretty good.

[sunny]

not what I think the draft order will be but how I am ranking the players in my personal opinion at this point in time.

1) Anthony Davis - the best player in college basketball. nobody would take anybody else
2) Andre drummond - too much potential to pass up on. will take time to develop but the talent is there.

3) MKG - has everything but a jump shot. will impact the game in a million different ways similar to how Marion did on the raptors.
4) Jeremy Lamb - has the potential to be a 25ppg scorer and has a great nba body.
5) Harrison Barnes - will be a good player and I think he will turn into an elite nba shooter. not sure how the rest of his game translates into the nba though.
6) Jared Sullinger - will be a great player but will be picked lower than deserved because he doesn't have superstar appeal. I imagine likely a better version of millisap.
7) Thomas Robinson - no comment
8) Quincy Miller - his game has changed and not sure if he can get it back on a consistent basis. still very intriguing because of his length. I could sort of see him play a lamar odom/hedo roll in the nba.
9) Brad Beal - will be a good player but I don't see a ton of potential with him.
10 ) Perry Jones- I really dislike him but can't think of anyone else to put here. There will be tons of players who come as a surprise who make it into the top ten who will likely replace him.

Miller, beal, jones have a good chance of being replaced in the top 10.

[Greg Stink]

Does anybody watch North Texas? Know anything about Tony Mitchell? I couldn't pick him out of a lineup of two but he's putting up excellent stats across the board as an athletic PF, offensive and defensive, even hitting a three per game at 46% in his first season. Weak conference, sure.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Mitchell-(North-Texas)-6229/

He's a soph-aged freshman after losing his eligibility from the 2010 class. Originally committed to Missouri (already a terrific team, would be scary with a Sophomore Mitchell on the squad). Good, almost elite athleticism, a but short for NBa PF but great reach/wingspan. Decent shooter but low release point. Versatile. Very good rebounder/shotblocker. Good motor. Should stay 1-2 more seasons to get some structure in his game.

How tall does he look? I've seen 6'6-6'9. Any chance of playing 3? Tweener?

[dTox]

^- If anything you get rid of BB and keep Davis if you're Charlotte. I think PJ3 slips out of the top 10. He's the kind of guy to get a GM fired. Marshall won't be that high and there other players that might be a better fit for them. I would take Wroten over Marshall and I don't even like Wroten.

Besides that - pretty good.

I think BB can play the 5, he's got the length but needs to put on a some mass. Shouldn't be a problem having both on the team, you can never have too many defenders

[DarkKnight]

Does anybody watch North Texas? Know anything about Tony Mitchell? I couldn't pick him out of a lineup of two but he's putting up excellent stats across the board as an athletic PF, offensive and defensive, even hitting a three per game at 46% in his first season. Weak conference, sure.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tony-Mitchell-(North-Texas)-6229/

He's a soph-aged freshman after losing his eligibility from the 2010 class. Originally committed to Missouri (already a terrific team, would be scary with a Sophomore Mitchell on the squad). Good, almost elite athleticism, a but short for NBa PF but great reach/wingspan. Decent shooter but low release point. Versatile. Very good rebounder/shotblocker. Good motor. Should stay 1-2 more seasons to get some structure in his game.

How tall does he look? I've seen 6'6-6'9. Any chance of playing 3? Tweener?

It's always hard to tell especailly in the smaller conferences but i'd guess he measures out closer to 6'9 in shoes. Don't think he has the ball skills to be a 3 really.

[DarkKnight]

^- If anything you get rid of BB and keep Davis if you're Charlotte. I think PJ3 slips out of the top 10. He's the kind of guy to get a GM fired. Marshall won't be that high and there other players that might be a better fit for them. I would take Wroten over Marshall and I don't even like Wroten.

Besides that - pretty good.

I think BB can play the 5, he's got the length but needs to put on a some mass. Shouldn't be a problem having both on the team, you can never have too many defenders

It wasn't positional, as BB is 100% a centre and Davis is 100% a PF at this stage, but more the fact that neither should be shooting from outside 3 feet and neither is well suited as a primary defender (stump). Their defensive skills would be somewhat negated by having both on the floor as there are only so many weakside opportunities and you really only want 1 guy going for those shots or you end up horribly out of position.

[dTox]

^- If anything you get rid of BB and keep Davis if you're Charlotte. I think PJ3 slips out of the top 10. He's the kind of guy to get a GM fired. Marshall won't be that high and there other players that might be a better fit for them. I would take Wroten over Marshall and I don't even like Wroten.

Besides that - pretty good.

I think BB can play the 5, he's got the length but needs to put on a some mass. Shouldn't be a problem having both on the team, you can never have too many defenders

It wasn't positional, as BB is 100% a centre and Davis is 100% a PF at this stage, but more the fact that neither should be shooting from outside 3 feet and neither is well suited as a primary defender (stump). Their defensive skills would be somewhat negated by having both on the floor as there are only so many weakside opportunities and you really only want 1 guy going for those shots or you end up horribly out of position.

Makes sense, but I think your underestimating Davis' shooting abilities as I think he can have a similar range as a player like CB, I've seen enough footage of him making some pretty respectable shots from range. And I think in this situation, Davis can be the weakside blocker and Bismack being the man-to man defender, from the games I've watched his arm length is very bothersome for players trying to go one on one against him.