(Building Around Wall) no pun, but what need to be done?

[jivelikenice]

I'm not a huge Mack fan. It would be nice to have a pg capable of potentially having a big game and pairing with Wall on occassion. Mack doesn't fit the bill IMO.

[jivelikenice]

It helps if you read what I said. If you're going to misquote or not really read it, I won't bother to comment.

I don't think Mcgee is a hot commodity in the league and teams are going to lowball for him. No team is going to give him Deandre Jordan type money. Primarily because 1) He's a knucklehead 2)he's dumb as rocks.

You trade him for whatever you can get as long as its not negative value.

I'm confused - no one is going to give him Deandre Jordan money ($10M). So, what will it be? $8M? $7M? Are you saying you'd walk away from a $7M price tag for a 24-year old 7-footer who has a PER of almost 20, is top 10 in the league in Blocks and FG%, and is more durable than just about any other C in the game?

Look, I get it that he's incredibly frustrating, mostly because of what he could - no, should - be capable of providing. And I would probably let him walk if he gets an offer north of $10M. But if he could be had for, say, 4 years & $30M? Yes, I definitely keep him. And after jettisoning Blatche & Young, plus getting a new coach who will implement solid system-oriented basketball, I see what he can do in better circumstances. I'd even be OK with the 1-year tender. At least that would let us see him in an entirely new situation before making a longer-term commitment.

If they can make a good deal right now, I'd listen to offers, but I doubt any are coming in. Otherwise, keep him and see what the summer brings.

Why is nobody going to offer McGee $10 MM+ a year when you're making the case as to why someone would! There are going to be a lot of teams under the cap this year and Centers are a rare commodity. One team will overpay McGee on his potential thinking that they can develop him properly and get the most out of him. Also lets not act like D Jordan was that much more desirable than Javale last season. The main thing DeAndre has on Javale is self awareness and more control.

[closg00]

I'm not a huge Mack fan. It would be nice to have a pg capable of potentially having a big game and pairing with Wall on occassion. Mack doesn't fit the bill IMO.

+1 It also wouldn't hurt to have a back-up PG that could put some heat on Wall, someone that can shoot.

[dobrojim]

I doubt McGee gets much interest because despite the things
he can do and do well, if he's your C, you have a serious
handicap towards being a good defensive team. He simply
does not understand defensive positioning. At this point,
I really wonder and doubt that it's fixable.

He has the all the physical tools to be a top 10 player
in the league, but it doesn't appear likely that anyone
can fix his deficiencies.

[Severn Hoos]

I don't think Mcgee is a hot commodity in the league and teams are going to lowball for him. No team is going to give him Deandre Jordan type money. Primarily because 1) He's a knucklehead 2)he's dumb as rocks.

You trade him for whatever you can get as long as its not negative value.

I'm confused - no one is going to give him Deandre Jordan money ($10M). So, what will it be? $8M? $7M? Are you saying you'd walk away from a $7M price tag for a 24-year old 7-footer who has a PER of almost 20, is top 10 in the league in Blocks and FG%, and is more durable than just about any other C in the game?

Look, I get it that he's incredibly frustrating, mostly because of what he could - no, should - be capable of providing. And I would probably let him walk if he gets an offer north of $10M. But if he could be had for, say, 4 years & $30M? Yes, I definitely keep him. And after jettisoning Blatche & Young, plus getting a new coach who will implement solid system-oriented basketball, I see what he can do in better circumstances. I'd even be OK with the 1-year tender. At least that would let us see him in an entirely new situation before making a longer-term commitment.

If they can make a good deal right now, I'd listen to offers, but I doubt any are coming in. Otherwise, keep him and see what the summer brings.

Why is nobody going to offer McGee $10 MM+ a year when you're making the case as to why someone would! There are going to be a lot of teams under the cap this year and Centers are a rare commodity. One team will overpay McGee on his potential thinking that they can develop him properly and get the most out of him. Also lets not act like D Jordan was that much more desirable than Javale last season. The main thing DeAndre has on Javale is self awareness and more control.

jive, I was replying to ty's statement that no one would give JaVale that kind of money. I do actually think it's possible (though not particularly likely) that someone will offer in the neighborhood of $10M. Certainly Pam thinks they deserve that kind of cash, so even if no one else offers it, they may hold out for it - or sign the 1-year offer, thinking they'll show the league what they missed out on.

And if someone does sign him to $10M+, wish him all the luck and then P&R him to death 4 times per year from then on.

Oh and I do agree with ty that he's a knucklehead, and certainly acts as dumb as rocks at times.

[Earth2Ted]

Why is nobody going to offer McGee $10 MM+ a year when you're making the case as to why someone would! There are going to be a lot of teams under the cap this year and Centers are a rare commodity. One team will overpay McGee on his potential thinking that they can develop him properly and get the most out of him. Also lets not act like D Jordan was that much more desirable than Javale last season. The main thing DeAndre has on Javale is self awareness and more control.

I agree that some of us are underestimating JaVale's value- everyone agrees that he has all the tools physically, and there are going to be teams out there that will look at his underachieving as partly due to the Washington Wizards suckitude at player development that can be overcome if the kid is just nurtured and taught in the right way, and also as he just gets older and more mature.

I personally would hate to see us give up on JaVale- he's just starting to get a clue about footwork in the post and getting teams to double him, he's just starting to learn how to set a pick every once in a while. Yeah his brain is still a little slow, and his mentality is a little soft, but he's going to get way better than he is even if he doesn't reach his full ceiling. If he stays healthy, and he's been very durable so far, knock on wood.

Now as to whether or not McGee wants to be here with the Wizards long term, that's a whole separate question...

[ty123]

Seriously, I wouldn't offer more than 5-6 mil for Javale. Take it or leave it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Revisit your statement in 6 months, after you see what McGee signs for.

[ty123]

Revisit your statement in 6 months, after you see what McGee signs for.

I know. EG might be dumb enough to sign him for 8 mil+.

[Dat2U]

I'd be willing to bet serious money McGee gets $10 mil per at minimum. If not from us, then someone else.

Bash him all you want. He's a starting quality center (there aren't 20 Cs better than him, much less 30) and he's very productive.

[dobrojim]

I agree someone will most likely sign him for high dollars. Maybe us.
It wouldn't be the worst move in the world. I do stand by my statement
that whatever team signs him is taking on a significant defensive
handicap even with all the blocks, barring a revelation of major
proportions.

[Earth2Ted]

I agree someone will most likely sign him for high dollars. Maybe us.
It wouldn't be the worst move in the world. I do stand by my statement
that whatever team signs him is taking on a significant defensive
handicap even with all the blocks, barring a revelation of major
proportions.

Yeah, I'll admit JaVale's pick and roll defense has at times been excruciatingly bad- he has a knack for putting himself equidistant between the point guard and the center, guarding neither. The only other big man I've seen do that this year is Andre Drummond, and wouldn't that be funny if we drafted him to play alongside McGee. John Wall (and half the guys on this board) would probably fling themselves into the Potomac at that point.

[hands11]

Wait for him to get an offer, match it if it's not too high, let him walk otherwise.

Free agent market is set up so that the incumbent team has the advantage.

Our problem is we're so used to bumping up against the luxury cap we've forgotten that we're in a completely different situation now. When you're under the cap, you lose NOTHING by letting a free agent walk. NOTHING!! It is a win win situation -- you either match the guy, or let him walk and sign someone else for the money you were willing to spend on him. Pure and simple. It's not like Arenas where we absolutely had to sign him or he would walk and we couldn't replace him. We're in a completely different situation now.

Right. So you wait for the right players. We dont have to reach.

[hands11]

I doubt McGee gets much interest because despite the things
he can do and do well, if he's your C, you have a serious
handicap towards being a good defensive team. He simply
does not understand defensive positioning. At this point,
I really wonder and doubt that it's fixable.

He has the all the physical tools to be a top 10 player
in the league, but it doesn't appear likely that anyone
can fix his deficiencies.

Sounds like Nicks problem as well. But McGee is to much of a physical freak to let walk so young without getting something that fit here really well. I would love if they team can cash in and turn things around but it has to be a pure awesome transition. If not, watch for the right players. They will so up. Keep your powder dry until you need it.

[Wizardspride]

To all of you advocating that we let McGee walk just answer this one question:

Where are you getting your next center from?

Very curious....

[queridiculo]

I'd sign Omer Asik and not look back.

[The Consiglieri]

I doubt McGee gets much interest because despite the things
he can do and do well, if he's your C, you have a serious
handicap towards being a good defensive team. He simply
does not understand defensive positioning. At this point,
I really wonder and doubt that it's fixable.

He has the all the physical tools to be a top 10 player
in the league, but it doesn't appear likely that anyone
can fix his deficiencies.

I think we're too close to this. Teams always bet on their ability to take raw talents wasting away on basket case franchises and turn them into something special. I'm betting he'll get a huge offer.

I think we totally undersell what level of interest he'll draw. The view around the league seems to be elite talent, 10 cent head, and stuck on miserably crappy organization. I'm sure teams with great and clearly defined leadership in the FO and on the squad itself would love to get their hands on him.

He'll get an exceptional offer. Exceptional. We're looked at as Clippers East for a reason. McGee is almost certainly viewed as a guy with plenty of issues, but he's also viewed as a guy who has played for an organization that has been dysfunctional for half a decade, and hideously run for 30+ years.

He's well worth a great offer, particularly if you already have a great set up in place (Dallas, Miami, San Antonio, OKC, etc), and he'll get it. We simply undersell him.

[thinker07]

Look at who bid on Deandre - That's one team who I think would bid on McGee. GS doesn't play defense anyway and they have an owner that wants to make a splash. If the Wiz aren't wiling to pay $10 mil per they should just trade him for what they can get. Wright and Udoh? Maybe something more?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I doubt McGee gets much interest because despite the things
he can do and do well, if he's your C, you have a serious
handicap towards being a good defensive team. He simply
does not understand defensive positioning. At this point,
I really wonder and doubt that it's fixable.

He has the all the physical tools to be a top 10 player
in the league, but it doesn't appear likely that anyone
can fix his deficiencies.

I think we're too close to this. Teams always bet on their ability to take raw talents wasting away on basket case franchises and turn them into something special. I'm betting he'll get a huge offer.

I think we totally undersell what level of interest he'll draw. The view around the league seems to be elite talent, 10 cent head, and stuck on miserably crappy organization. I'm sure teams with great and clearly defined leadership in the FO and on the squad itself would love to get their hands on him.

He'll get an exceptional offer. Exceptional. We're looked at as Clippers East for a reason. McGee is almost certainly viewed as a guy with plenty of issues, but he's also viewed as a guy who has played for an organization that has been dysfunctional for half a decade, and hideously run for 30+ years.

He's well worth a great offer, particularly if you already have a great set up in place (Dallas, Miami, San Antonio, OKC, etc), and he'll get it. We simply undersell him.

McGee will undoubtedly get a ridiculous offer. I guarantee we get outbid. The fact is McGee is possibly the most physically gifted player in the league. LeBron, D.Howard, Blake Griffin included. He is a flat out freak, and can do things no other player in the league can do. Now does that make him a good basketball player? That is the question. But make no doubt about it Wizard fans, it is a question another team will answer.

[Dat2U]

McGee is a lot like Wall in one way. The incredible physical traits make up for a great deal of flaws. Unlike Wall, I don't expect McGee to ever reach his full potential, but I'd expect him to improve incrementally as he has over the course of his career. He's not terrible now, just unreliable. I just want to see him in a different environment, where he's forced to mature. In a veteran locker room were his 'hi jinks' aren't tolerated and he's held accountable by his teammates and not just his coaches.

That's why I want consolidate many of these non-impact young guys into veterans next year. I'd be happy if Wall, McGee & our 1st round pick represent the only young guys on the roster. Maybe keep Booker & Mack because of their maturity & performance.