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Post#441 » by Crowned » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:12 am

Jay_Hawk wrote:
YogiStewart wrote:but the pending trade for Nash (i'm convinced this will happen...hell, 3 years ago, Burke publicly told people, including my brother in law, that he was going to target Nash and the Sedins) is another high salary that may not make much of a difference for this year or the years to come.


Burke is a blowhard- I dont know why you're expecting anything big from him. In his tenure as a GM in this league, he's never made a trade for a franchise player. Flat-out, he hasn't. And if you consider Kessel/Phaneuf/Lupul as franchise-guys, then I think you've had one too many sips of the Burkie kool-aid.

Remember his all-but-guarantee about acquiring the draft rights to Tavares? Didn't exactly pan out. And for the record, saying something 'publicly' would indicate he said something to the media. Because what he said to your 'brother-in-law' wasn't, then the conversation is considered private, also known as bull**** spin at a fan convention.


Burke never guaranteed he was going to draft John Tavares, you're being a little extreme there. Do you have a quote that suggests this?
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Re: Leafs Regular Season Discussion 

Post#442 » by sanity » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:31 pm

Crucial game tonight (vs. Wash). It could very well dictate whether we're meant for the 8th seed or not
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Post#443 » by j127 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:47 pm

Burke had a 5 year plan to turn the Leafs into contenders. I think we're in year 4, right?

sanity wrote:Crucial game tonight (vs. Wash). It could very well dictate whether we're meant for the 8th seed or not


After tonight's game, there are still 20 more games to go. But still, it seems like the same broken record over and over again (i.e., high hopes in pre-season, decent to amazing start early in the season, colossal collapse in the middle of the season, up and down end to the season, and then early start to golfing for the Leafs, rinse, repeat). The last time we made the playoffs was in the 03-04 season? If Burke doesn't do something to turn this team around, he'll have been no better than John Ferguson Jr. in terms of turning us into a playoff team -- despite us being younger, faster and arguably more skilled.
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Re: Leafs Regular Season Discussion 

Post#444 » by Brew666 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:35 pm

Jay_Hawk wrote:The Sedin twins trade was masterfully orchestrated, but the pair weren't considered to be "franchise players" and the 1999 draft is considered to be one of the weakest in history. And the Pronger trade? Sure it was great, but it was 20 damn years ago!!! Prior to the lockout and the introduction of the 'new' NHL. And he was fired after one year and worked for the league afterwards.

I'm sorry, but that wasn't prime Linden. That was Linden in 2001, nowhere near his superstar form. And Gardiner a 'Franchise player?" I think very highly of Gardiner, but I don't see him being a 'superstar'. If you think Linden in 2001 was a superstar and that Gardiner will be, then you and I clearly have different opinions of what 'franchise player' means. If those are the best examples of 'franchise players' that Burke has accumulated, then my point is clearly made.


First of all I'm an idiot b/c I thought BB initiated a trade with WAS to get Linden initially in 88 not 2001 which of course doesn't make sense on more than one level so I'll eat some crow on that. As for Gardiner, I"m not saying he is a superstar but for someone whose 21 on the backend he's looking pretty good right now. who knows how it's going to pan out. And I'd probably say outside of Kessel he would be our most wanted asset, not bad for Beauchemin.

I don't think that every move Burke has made is great and I do disagree with the way he goes about it and don't agree with some of the decisions but as a whole he's been good. His asset management has been pretty good, when it comes to trades he's coming out on top. He hasn't landed us that superstar or #1 centre but he's trading scrubs and getting quality players. He's given us a respectable farm system and it's only a matter of time before that diamond in the rough appears.

It's been 4 years and he's made his mistakes but look what he was given as well. Tlusty was our best prospect. How can you get anything of value when you don't have any assets? He's had to build a franchise not just a team. And this core will eventually will be a playoff team once they get some experience under their belt.

How many GMs get a franchise player through a trade or FA in the new nhl anyhow? MIke Richards? Jeff Carter? Brad Richards? Who is that player we missed out on?

I just think people's expectations are too high. People expect perfection with no bumps on the road. When you compare where we are now and what we had, it's night and day and that's due to BB and management. I have no problems talking about his faults but it just seems typical of leafs fan to focus on all the negatives and negating all the positives. Is he the best GM in the league? No. But he's a very competent GM who has done a good job for the team and fans need to recognize this.

And i don't think Burke was fired either, I thought he wanted to be on the east coast, he wanted to be closer to his family.
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Re: Leafs Regular Season Discussion 

Post#445 » by sanity » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:41 pm

terryoh wrote:Burke had a 5 year plan to turn the Leafs into contenders. I think we're in year 4, right?

sanity wrote:Crucial game tonight (vs. Wash). It could very well dictate whether we're meant for the 8th seed or not


After tonight's game, there are still 20 more games to go. But still, it seems like the same broken record over and over again (i.e., high hopes in pre-season, decent to amazing start early in the season, colossal collapse in the middle of the season, up and down end to the season, and then early start to golfing for the Leafs, rinse, repeat). The last time we made the playoffs was in the 03-04 season? If Burke doesn't do something to turn this team around, he'll have been no better than John Ferguson Jr. in terms of turning us into a playoff team -- despite us being younger, faster and arguably more skilled.


Ferguson buried the team for the next ~3-4 years after he resigned, he was practically as awful as Colangelo in terms of salaries and sheer lack of young capable talent to compliment a balanced roster. I think its too early to compare his failures with Burke's as of yet.

I do like the direction of this team and the young players he has assembled so far, in spite of the Komie/Finger contracts (I'm not sure if Finger's was Burke's or JFJ's). The team isn't far from being playoffs bound, but the defensive approach building from the blueline-in is something I can respect. We have a very good defensive core that will be around for years to come. Just need that marquee center
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Post#446 » by whysoserious » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:03 am

What an awesome start tonight, down 2-0 and give up a goal in the first 30 seconds to a team your battling with for that last playoff team.
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Post#447 » by Relentless88 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:17 am

Very disappointing loss. Burke probably gets his goalie tomorrow. Nabokov? Khabibulin? :dontknow:
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Post#448 » by Crowned » Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:00 am

At this point, why not call up Scrivens? I loved what I saw in him, and he couldn't play any worse than what we're trotting out there now.
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Post#449 » by whysoserious » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:27 pm

I'd rather not make a move on a name goalie, we need to think more long-term on that front.
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Post#450 » by sanity » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:49 pm

I wouldn't mind Bernier if the price is right. Those first 2 weak goals given up by Reimer really sank this team-both our goalies look in over their heads. Overall in the last month or so this team doesn't play with much confidence... and that Connelly / Lombardi / Kulie line was being KILLED last game. Ron Wilson totally lost this team

If Gardiner is traded I'll be pissed. Burke needs to clear some cap and look towards the offseason where there will be many good players available. Hell, I'd even consider Phaneauf trade-bait if we can take a run at one of Suter or Weber in the summer. This season looks as good as done anyway based on the teams right behind us that are playing better atm. Its sad how poorly Buffalo started off and they're only 3 games back...
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Post#451 » by bryant08 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:26 am

LOL, can't help but laugh at this point. Absolutely pathetic. What's RW going to blame the performance on now that the deadline's past and that "distraction" is out of the way? Two very easily preventable goals. We may still be able to come back, but a part of me wouldn't mind seeing us get routed again.
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Post#452 » by Bankai » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:28 am

Man here we go again... Leaf's goaltending is atrocious.
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Post#453 » by Relentless88 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:35 am

^To be fair Reimer shouldn't be the one to blame for the 2 goals. It's on Schenn and Komisarek.
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Post#454 » by j127 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:55 am

Leafs haven't had stellar goaltending since before the lockout, but our goalies don't deserve all the blame. Not even 25% of the blame. The Leafs defencemen have been absolutely atrocious for several seasons. It's been their WEAKEST aspect of the Leafs since the last time we made the playoffs.

Our defencemen would make even a prime Patrick Roy look like a scrub.
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Post#455 » by whysoserious » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:16 am

Reimer doesn't deserve blame for those goals but they do nothing to help the confidence or psyche of this team.
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Post#456 » by _venom_ » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:11 am

This ship is sinking fast. A total freefall in the standings wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for this team since it would be mean:

1) Ron Wilson fired (I hope)
2) Top draft pick (right now we'd have the 10th pick but we could easily drop all the way down to 4-6th)
3) Serious roster changes

Right now I am praying that Burke doesn't hand out a long term big contract to Grabovski. He is way too streaky to get over 4 million per year.

Our number 1 priority in the offseason needs to be getting a young goalie like Schneider or Bernier. Our lack of a number 1 center is not what's killing us, it's our defense and goaltending.
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Post#457 » by sanity » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:15 am

If you consider the rest of our schedule... the playoffs is looking very bleak. Good news is that the majority of the fanbase seems to be turning on Wilson. The "Fire Wilson" chants were pretty loud last game. I think it would be better if he's canned in the offeason vs. the last ~20 games of the season, but regardless Burke has to find a decent coach. 1 win in 10 games at such a crucial stage of the season is unacceptable.
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Post#458 » by whysoserious » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:48 pm

I don't understand, with everything on the line like that, how a team comes out flat like that and gives up goals in the first minute on back-to-back games. If Wilson can't motivate the guys right now, it's time for him to go.

He had a nice run at the beginning of the year but this guy has proven nothing in his 4 years here, worse special teams overall in the league, no playoffs and this fall in the last few weeks.

Even if they somehow turn it around and get hot, i don't want Wilson back next year.
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Post#459 » by WorldBossFTW » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:00 pm

I would like us to fall so far back that we do get a high pick and the possibility of getting Grigorenko.
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Re: Leafs Regular Season Discussion 

Post#460 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:15 pm

MacArthur's atrocious penalty really turned the tide of the game.

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