What was wrong with John Wall tonight at allstar?

[Knighthonor]

He look down, and low on energy tonight. Anybody notice that? Also missing a few dunks. But that last dunk was a beast!

[7-Day Dray]

I noticed how bad he is at changing pace compared to guys like Irving and Rubio. His handles are weak, and he only plays at one speed.

[BarnabyJones]

I noticed how bad he is at changing pace compared to guys like Irving and Rubio. His handles are weak, and he only plays at one speed.

I think Wall's getting better at that part of his game.

[Imadogg]

I know I really enjoyed watching him tonight.. I'm sure you guys are tougher on him cuz you always watch him play, but I really loved him out there.

Got these 2 dunks of his:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQu-ULCSN4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9sF8LHdfCA[/youtube]

[7-Day Dray]

I know I really enjoyed watching him tonight.. I'm sure you guys are tougher on him cuz you always watch him play, but I really loved him out there.

Got these 2 dunks of his:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQu-ULCSN4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9sF8LHdfCA[/youtube]

Quick uploads. Nice!

[Imadogg]

Thank you sir, it's what I do.

What did you guys see tonight that I (as someone who doesn't watch the Wiz that often) didn't see? He looked good to be, quick, blocked some shots, good chemistry, nice passes, sick dunks.. what did I miss

[dlts20]

I thought Wall was clearly the best player on the floor tonight besides Irving. I kinda agree with the TS in that he wasnt all the way into it. I think it was the atmosphere but mostly the fact that he came off the bench. You can tell it upset him and he felt weird like he didnt wanna play but even going half ass most of the way he was killing it.

We just flat out need a better system and better coaches. Change of speed stuff is easier to learn if your in the p&r or high screen system but he's not and most of the time he has to go full speed in our system or he has no chance to get to the hoop. The system doesnt fit his or our style

[dlts20]

Thank you sir, it's what I do.

What did you guys see tonight that I (as someone who doesn't watch the Wiz that often) didn't see? He looked good to be, quick, blocked some shots, good chemistry, nice passes, sick dunks.. what did I miss

Agreed. He had the most explosive plays, was the best passer by far, the only guy who was blocking shots, etc......

most dont know he leads all guards by a mile in shot blocks, averaging 1per game which is crazy for a guard, espically a 6'4PG

[hands11]

Thank you sir, it's what I do.

What did you guys see tonight that I (as someone who doesn't watch the Wiz that often) didn't see? He looked good to be, quick, blocked some shots, good chemistry, nice passes, sick dunks.. what did I miss

John played unselfish to start the game while he was watching Kyrie light it up. And while there were lots of dunks, there were lots of player lighting it up from outside. Kyrie was 8-8 from 3 land and also managed 9 dimes. The kid stole the show.

I think not having a good outside shot made it harder for Wall to shine so he dished dimes and dunked instead. When you have lemons

[hands11]

I thought Wall was clearly the best player on the floor tonight besides Irving. I kinda agree with the TS in that he wasnt all the way into it. I think it was the atmosphere but mostly the fact that he came off the bench. You can tell it upset him and he felt weird like he didnt wanna play but even going half ass most of the way he was killing it.

We just flat out need a better system and better coaches. Change of speed stuff is easier to learn if your in the p&r or high screen system but he's not and most of the time he has to go full speed in our system or he has no chance to get to the hoop. The system doesnt fit his or our style

You do realize they have been running a lot of PnR and double screens at the FT line the last 6 plus games.

What will make Wall look better is him continuing to work on his J and change of speed and ...
better SGs and SF to run the offense with. He has 1 player ( crawford ) who has handles and none that are reliable from outside.

[MikeTheKid]

I think Wall was mainly pissed because he was chosen 12th for the game. His heart/desire is there to be great, we just need a coach/system and a PG/Shooting coach who can make him better.

Also we need to lose the knuckleheads and the cancer in the locker room cause its not making him better. If we get guys who want to work hard with Wall, the team will become better and Wall will be a star

[WizarDynasty]

the problem with wall is that he is doesnt have starters on the roster and you guys have no plans on how the wizards can get 3 other quality starting players for the positions of sg, sf, and p/f.
You don't magicaly get starting caliber players by getting rid of "knuckleheads" ...the catch phrase every seems to love to use...after stealing my original two way player...label..now stolen by espn.

[dlts20]

I thought Wall was clearly the best player on the floor tonight besides Irving. I kinda agree with the TS in that he wasnt all the way into it. I think it was the atmosphere but mostly the fact that he came off the bench. You can tell it upset him and he felt weird like he didnt wanna play but even going half ass most of the way he was killing it.

We just flat out need a better system and better coaches. Change of speed stuff is easier to learn if your in the p&r or high screen system but he's not and most of the time he has to go full speed in our system or he has no chance to get to the hoop. The system doesnt fit his or our style

You do realize they have been running a lot of PnR and double screens at the FT line the last 6 plus games.

What will make Wall look better is him continuing to work on his J and change of speed and ...
better SGs and SF to run the offense with. He has 1 player ( crawford ) who has handles and none that are reliable from outside.

Uh, I think I do realize it since I made a thread about it. However, just because its a p&r, doesnt make it the same as another teams. We dont run it the right way and the guys around it arent in the same position. We dont run it like other teams run it and a pick & roll is different then a high screen. I much more rather have the high screen on our team then the p&r but there should be alot of both.

Even when we run it, Wall never gets one on one with the secondary defenders. The PG is always still on him because we run it different. Watch how we use to run it with Gil & Wood. Gil would then be in the paint against the bigs. The same way Lin & Nash are. The same way Paul is, the same way D-Wade won a title with. We still never get it like that. You never see us set the pick way out front and then its Wall vs the bigs, like you see the Bulls do non stop with Rose and Wall's J is not the only reason why.

You will see the difference next year when we get that new coach

[hands11]

Is it the play or the execution ?

Often Wall and other ball handlers leave to early before the pick it set. I complained about Wall doing this a ton last year but was told that is how the play is supposed to be run. I doubt it.

This year he has gotten better but I still wouldn't say he is great at it. Add to that he is just starting to change speeds which is very important on these plays. That is how you get bye people and how you get position/leverage to spread the floor. Then add that Wall gives up his dribble to often and he is just starting to hit his shot and finish more balanced. So that is all Wall side of the issue and that is long list.

On the other side, you don't have a ton of players on this team who set good picks. Booker does. Ves does. But McGee has been really bad at this up until recently. He has shown some improvement but he is still is no Tyson Chandler. McGee has the roll part down because he wants the dunk.

So even if it was in some part the design of the play, they don't even execute what they are running and that is on the players of which Wall is the most important part. He should be directing the traffic and waiting for the pick to get set.

You don't need a new coach to fix that. You need smarter more mature more disciplined players.

[tontoz]

[dlts20]

Is it the play or the execution ?

Often Wall and other ball handlers leave to early before the pick it set. I complained about Wall doing this a ton last year but was told that is how the play is supposed to be run. I doubt it.

This year he has gotten better but I still wouldn't say he is great at it. Add to that he is just starting to change speeds which is very important on these plays. That is how you get bye people and how you get position/leverage to spread the floor. Then add that Wall gives up his dribble to often and he is just starting to hit his shot and finish more balanced. So that is all Wall side of the issue and that is long list.

On the other side, you don't have a ton of players on this team who set good picks. Booker does. Ves does. But McGee has been really bad at this up until recently. He has shown some improvement but he is still is no Tyson Chandler. McGee has the roll part down because he wants the dunk.

So even if it was in some part the design of the play, they don't even execute what they are running and that is on the players of which Wall is the most important part. He should be directing the traffic and waiting for the pick to get set.

You don't need a new coach to fix that. You need smarter more mature more disciplined players.

I agree and disagree. I agree on some of the things you said but that is easily fixed with coaching. Mike D'Antoni is going to have Wall & the screeners running it a certain way in camp. He's not going to allow them to not use the pick right or not set the pick right. Its coaching. Its great to have smart players with high IQ but alot of them arent. You can also tell that some of it was Flip's design. Again, even Gil was playing it that way when he didnt with Eddie Jordan.

If he's with D'Antoni, SVG, Adelman, or anyone like that then they are going to teach them how to run it the right way, just like I believe that a guy like Pop is not going to let NY play the way he does without either getting him to play right or benching him. There is no way that you can watch film over & over and McGee still not set a pick at all when Flip was here unless Flip was ok with that. Those other coaches wont be because the play wont be nearly as successful. Flip didnt care because he wanted it more about the curls and stuff anyways

[GhostsOfGil]

What a duche!

Missed the game btw... anyone feel like doing a quick recap?

[ST21]

^^ imo monroe thought wall was shooting it and then reacted as if it was an air ball.

[manvir_samra]

John Wall will improve. I believe he could win MVP some day. He works hard and is as athletic as D-Rose.
Also, I'm a Raptors fan.

[manvir_samra]

Yea, i was swearing at Greg Monroe from my T.V for 30 minutes. I hate him now. LOL